I did know more than one Catholic growing up that did believe that the wine turned to blood, and bread to flesh. I think that was one of the reasons for the group that split the RC and became Episcopalians?...sorry for the spelling...very late night.
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JW False Teachings About Roman Catholics
by rebel8 inapologies if this has been done before.... .
when i left the troof, i happened to learn many of the things i had been taught about rcs were lies.
i thought it would be interesting to see how many jw false teachings about rcs we can list.
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unforgivable sin
by MerryMagdalene intijkmo's post on watson's "hypothetical" thread got me wondering again...just what the heck is it to sin against the holy spirit according to jw beliefs/teachings?
for something so important as to be "unforgivable" it has always seemed awfully vague to me (so vague that i was sure as a kid that it must be masturbation and for years i felt the great weight of ultimate doom heavily upon me).
is it intentionally vague, do you think, just to keep everyone on their toes and hyper-paranoid or am i missing something?
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I was taught that this basically means that true apostates can never get reinstated if they D'A themselves or get D'Fd...that scared me when I was younger. At the same time, it bothered me more that some monster like dalmer, bundy or john wayne gacey could have been forgiven for their terrible sins. But not the apostate, no matter how peaceful.
How screwy is THAT???
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unforgivable sin
by MerryMagdalene intijkmo's post on watson's "hypothetical" thread got me wondering again...just what the heck is it to sin against the holy spirit according to jw beliefs/teachings?
for something so important as to be "unforgivable" it has always seemed awfully vague to me (so vague that i was sure as a kid that it must be masturbation and for years i felt the great weight of ultimate doom heavily upon me).
is it intentionally vague, do you think, just to keep everyone on their toes and hyper-paranoid or am i missing something?
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Eyebrow2
I am now taking orders for the our new t-shirt "I Belong to the Unforgiveable Sinners" Club.
we need a logo...any ideas?
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What do I tell my children?
by Nellie ini have four kids - ages 18, 13, 10 and 6. .
first some clarification: i have been in the "truth" for 35 years, and although i have never been particularly active in the ministry .
for example: my 18 year old son really wants his ear pierced.
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Eyebrow2
Nellie:
congrats to you, and welcome to the board! It is both exciting and scary to finally allow your self to live life to the fullest!
I was excited and felt a little guilty when I allowed my son to start celebrating bdays when he turned 8. It was hard for him at first too, but I told him that it is important to LIVE Your beliefs. And if your beliefs actually change, than it makes sense to change the way you live your life. It was still a little ackward for a bit, but he got over it all by his second Xmas.
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Are You or Were You Ever On Meds For Depression?
by minimus ini know so many people, not just witnesses that are on zoloft or similar drugs.
i know of some that, once they left the "truth", stopped taking these meds and have not had to go back on them.
i know of some that, if they did not have them, would not be able to properly function......what about you?
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Eyebrow2
About 13 years ago I was diagnosed with depression and put on Paxil. My doctor explained the differences between Prozac, Paxil and Zoloft and we decided together that Paxil would be the one to try. Well, after a few weeks I ended up in the hospital because it was making things worse. After I left the hospital, I happened to meet a person that owned a pharmacutical consulting company in NYC. She told me to talk to my doctor about Efexor...because the side effects were supposed to be less. Well...my doctor switched me over, and it was like I went from hell to heaven in a few days.....
I was on that for several months...then lost my job, couldn't afford it.(that was probably a good thing, actually) The draw back was that I really had to wean myself off it because if you just stopped taking it, you got sick. I had some good friends and family that helped me through.Anyhoo, at least through all this I was able to really learn and watch the signs...a few years later I started to see I needed help again. I went to my regular doctor this time, and asked for something...she gave me Zoloft. She also gave me some Ambian, because sometimes zoloft effected my being able to sleep. (Ambian is some good stuff...I only ever needed a half a tiny pill, took it for a few days, and then was back to normal sleeping pattern for a long time). Anyhoo, I guess I was on Zoloft for about a year or so, then I was fine...let's see that was over 7 years ago.
I have been pretty good ever since, but I am still pretty careful about keeping an eye on my moods. There have been quite a few times in the last 7 years that I have been a somewhat depressed, but been able to get out of it by changing something, be it getting more excercise, making another change. So, I know now that if I am still depressed after trying various things...then it is time to pick up the phone a call a doctor.
Anyhoo..that's my story...nothing earth shattering.
By the way.,..I just wanted to add something here: when I went to therapy, I think it actually made things worse for a short period of time. There were some things as a kid that happened I didn't deal with until I was an adult. I had a good friend at the hall that was trying to help me, but it was overwhelming her and me, and we figured a "professional" would help. Well, my therapist was a great lady, but I don't think she was a good match for me. And I only saw the shrink once or twice to get the prescriptions. The reason I bring this up is that I think sometimes getting a good therapist or shrink can be just as or more important than being put on a medication. In hindsight, I think the therapist (who was pretty new actually) could have suggested we slow things down a bit. But hey, she did her best. She probably learned a lot from the whole experience too, hahah.
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Complaint Letter of the Year (warning: naughty words)
by Scully indear cretins,
i have been an ntl customer since 9th july 2001, when i signed up for your 3-in-one deal for cable tv, cable modem, and telephone.
during this three-month period i have encountered inadequacy of service which i had not previously considered possible, as well as ignorance and stupidity of monolithic proportions.
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hmmmm NTL that must really be COMCAST!!!
still haven't been able to get DSL or else I would dump them for internet...already got rid of the tv service and went with satellite. We are 70 FEET too far away to get sbc or verizon dsl...it kills me....
great letter..very funny hahahah
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List options for my escape here.
by tsunami_rid3r inproblem: .
want a normal life of going to college, freedom.
in return will get kicked out of the house.
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Eyebrow2
If you can live under their rules, go ahead and try it for a while. You will just have to be patient. I don't think you will be doing anything hypocritical or living a lie if you just attend the meetings. You just have to be polite, right?
Congrats on getting into college.
It would still behoove you to look into scholarships and student loans for your self. You don't have to pay them back until 6 months after you graduate usually. I don't know if things have changed much, but in my day you had to either have a kid, or be at least 23 or 24 before they would not consider your parents income for financial aid, such as pell grants, etc. Have you asked your guidance teacher at school about this?
If going to meetings is something that you just cannot stomach, then bite the bullet, and work your way through college. I would suggest staying with your parents at least the first year, so you don't have to adjust to so much all at once.
Please keep this in mind: If it does not work out, please PLEASE remember, that if you end up only going to school part time to start with while you work it is NOT the end of the world. My brother never made it past sophmore year in high school...then at age 23 he realized he wanted more out of life. He got his GED and took classes part time until he could get into college as a full time student. He is now about to graduate with his Masters degree. Just keep your goal of college in your mind.....don't let anything deter you from it, but make sure you keep your self balanced too.
Good luck...I am in Texas too, by the way!
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Were You a Little Prude JW?
by minimus inwere you a prude as a jw?
are you still one?
prudes, (especially jws) are so judgmental.
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Eyebrow2
I was a bit of a JW Nazi...was a really pain in the ass to one of my younger sisters and a younger brother. Made my brother pull out his comic books with our mom and went over how violent and evil they were (I am embarrassed to say I gave him a really hard time about Wolverine)
My sister...she was a bit of a hellion, but nothing compared to "worldy standards". She hate her high school...so worked her BUTT off to graduate at the age of 16. I was proud of her, but gave her a really hard time because she really didn't want to be a witness. Even read her diary once, found out about a brother that fondle her boobs a week before his wedding...confronted him about it. All this because I was truly, sincerely worried about her. I should have just kicked his ass. He went to the brothers, was forgiven, his wife forgave, and my sister had privillages taken away. That should have told me something, wouldn't you think?
I since apologized to her, and she forgave me thank goodness. She wasn't doing anything really bad. In hindsight, I should have just told her, don't do anything stupid, but if you need me just call.
Oh well...stupid things you do when being "sincere".
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ULC
by ConcernedMom inhave i heard the universal life church mentioned here?
(search isn't working.
) they are opening a church in our neighbourhood so please tell me they aren't those guys with the long gray beards and robes that someone posted the picture of....
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Eyebrow2
Avi,
what's up with their monk training...I am curious...do you know anything about that program?
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left out in the cold
by donald inhello im new to this...my wife and i are still baptized....but weve not gone to meetings regulary...for some time now...even though we still go to the memorial.....and we are wondering if to go back.....here without being too specfic is our story.
i was rasied in the truth...she was not...she got baptized...about 3 years after we were married..i was made a m.s.
in 1990...but becuse of personal reasons i stepped down shortly after..i conecentrated on raiseing my family..and had to work 2 jobs to support them......3 children.....then a few years later my wife left me for some one else...and then i got very sick...and was told my kidney was failing....a elder came to my house and told me that if there was anything i neede that all i had to do was ask...well...a few weeks later i asked this elder...if he could get a couple of young brothers to hep me get rid off some boxes of stuff my wufe had left behind..because i could not lift them...he told me in a reproachful tone...get your family to help you...this after he had told me weeks before...to ask him for help........i thought at the time its no big deal....but then something else happen to call into question all about jw.
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Eyebrow2
Man, that congregation is full of boobs for elders.
First of all...you cannot be df for being a fireman. In the congregation I grew up in there was an asst fire chief ELDER, and there was another brother that was a fire man and paramedic.
How dare they tell you that you could be DF for remarrying her??? I have never heard that. I guess if she cheated on you, you were scriptually free in their eyes to remarry. But, you would think that they would rejoice, looking it as an opportunity for her to come back to the KH at some point. At the very least, they could have asked you if you had considered waiting to see if she would be reinstated or something to that effect. (not that I would wait either, if I truly loved her)
All I can is that you are okay with the beliefs of the Witnesses, than maybe you just need to find a new congregation where the elders are not a bunch of bone heads. BUT, if you question the teachings, that is another story altogether.
That is just my opinion. I left about 7 years ago because I didn't feel it was the truth any longer. If I did, I would have been able to put up with my congregation's imperfections, as they did my own.