Posts by flipper

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Jehovah Witness man Attacks TSA agent with machete in U.S airport- Made National news

by Newly Enlightened in

yes they did say he was a jw in this news report:.

http://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/authorities-try-to-determine-new-orleans-airport-machete-attacker-s-motive-416322627620.

flipper

Proof positive that there are crazy people in this cult - due to the fact the JW cult drives them crazy. But there are crazy people everywhere . But according to the story he had mental illness before his family said. Then if the family were JW's they should have gotten him help with a therapist or psychiatrist. When any of these people go ape shit it's usually due to the fact that their relatives, friends, or people who know them have dropped the ball in getting them help. Many of these sociopaths or psychopaths fall through the cracks because people are scared shitless and just ignore the problem. Then everybody gets surprised when 40 children are murdered in a school or 20 are murdered in theatres as has happened in recent years. We can blame the guy who is crazy of course- but blame our society for letting idiots like this roam free by ignoring the signs on the wall. My 2 cents

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Attitudes of WT Society Leaders Towards " Rights " of Child Abuse Victims and Elders

by flipper in

these excerpts i'm sharing with you are from the july 1st, 1989 letter from the wt society to the elders and it gives outsiders a good idea of the attitude of the wt society leaders towards child abuse victims and even towards their own appointed elders.

and it shows wt society is first, foremost, and mainly concerned about financial fallout from potential lawsuits.

one short quote was used from this letter on the abc news nightline report about candace conti - but what i'm going to share with you will be other excerpts from that same letter that are just as, or even more revealing.

flipper

SPARROWDOWN- I feel you and hear you. I agree just the tip of the iceberg. WT Society is going to have a rough several years ahead of them. They earned it

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Wife fully awake.

by cappytan in

i learned this past week that my wife is now awake.

i just shared the pbs newshour segment with her with no comment other than something along the lines of, "jw story on pbs.".

she is furious at the arrogance of these men.. thats what happens when you get a momma angry!.

flipper

CAPPYTAN- Fantastic news ! I'm so happy for her and you. A beautiful thing. Good luck in the days and years ahead

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Attitudes of WT Society Leaders Towards " Rights " of Child Abuse Victims and Elders

by flipper in

these excerpts i'm sharing with you are from the july 1st, 1989 letter from the wt society to the elders and it gives outsiders a good idea of the attitude of the wt society leaders towards child abuse victims and even towards their own appointed elders.

and it shows wt society is first, foremost, and mainly concerned about financial fallout from potential lawsuits.

one short quote was used from this letter on the abc news nightline report about candace conti - but what i'm going to share with you will be other excerpts from that same letter that are just as, or even more revealing.

flipper

Thanks for the comments ! Much appreciated.

MAD IRISHMAN- I disagree with you. WT Society's advice is horrid- only looking after it's own financial interests- not the interests of it's individual JW members.

ON THE WAY OUT- Good points you bring out about the breach of confidentiality. If WT leaders would only look at themselves in a mirror. One can only hope.

GIORDANO- Exactly, good points. All we have to do is see the testimony of that elder on you tube on the PBS hour or the ABC Nightline news report about Candace Conti's case when he is stating that they are trained by the WT Society, " not to reveal the confidential talk of another " and that shows right THERE where the load of responsibility falls regarding WHO makes these failed policies. The WT leaders- that's who . So child abuse doesn't get reported to police unless the WT Society DIRECTS elders to report it to the police. Elders are not ALLOWED to make any moves without checking with WT legal department first. So as you said these shoddy non-policies really are exposing the WT Society's selfish, money grubbing side.

DATA-DOG- Exactly. I feel the WT Society IS beginning to " reap what they sow " and it's just the beginning stages in my opinion. We are going to see this child abuse thing blow up huge this year I truly believe.

BLONDIE- Good points. Lots of this child abuse crap is hidden within many churches- however- I feel the difference with the Catholic church was at least the Pope and higher ups ADMITTED that there was a problem with child abuse within their organization. WT leaders won't even SNIFF at an admission of a child abuse problem within their organization. We have GB members like Steve Lett claiming that WE are crazy for saying that the WT Society " protects pedophiles " - his statement, " can you imagine that " ? Indicates surprise when he shouldn't be surprised at all there is a child abuse problem within WT. It's just posturing and a huge cover up to save face in front of 8 million JW's on JW.org and being media savvy enough to know that if he denies it on their private website T.V. - it will push the message into 8 million JW's minds that the child abuse " problem " are all " lies " - allegedly. Pretty shrewd marketing- but dishonest. but what has ever been honest about the WT Society ? Anything ?

STUCKINARUT- " Deny, deny " Blame, blame ". Exactly what WT leaders do.

FINKELSTEIN- Very true, WT leaders want EVERYBODY to stop talking about the child abuse cases - then they feel they will magically disappear. Not this time. Perhaps in the past- but not now. There are too MANY of these cases coming down the turnpike and they will get a lot more media coverage than they used to. Already there has been in the last month the ABC Nightline and PBS News hour coverage and who knows what else is in the works > I think it's important for each of us ex-JW's to verbally let people know in our own communities as well. Indeed- What a " brother " Jonathan Kendrick was shown to be ! LOL. He and his wife were both exposed as frigging cantankerous idiots and jack asses on that ABC Nightline news video. More of that media coverage needs to get out there to show how arrogant these people are.

JAMES MIXON- I think " Bubba " would have a great time with WT leaders in prison. Who knows ? He may get his chance yet .

FISHERMAN- You are wrong. Legally - yes- that IS what the WT Society is saying in their confidential letters to elders that anybody suing the WT Society is considered " disgruntled, " vindictive " , or considered an " opposer " - it's right there in the quote of the 1989 letter to elders. It's NOT my interpretation it's the WT leaders VIEWS in their own words printed. Get your head out of your ass. I don't just ALLEGE that it's a letter from WT to the elders it IS A LETTER from WT to the elders. It's documented in court proceedings as evidence in the Candace Conti court case and I have it downloaded on my PDF file. There is no misrepresentation in the title of my thread. The only misrepresentation of these facts is getting jumbled up in your own mind. You need to read the court documented evidence yourself then you'd know what you are talking about. Until then you have no idea what you are asserting.

LISA ROSE- Exactly- many people are aware that in the WT leaders eyes- JW's have NO rights except to do as they are instructed by WT leaders. As regards your statement, " it is good advice for elders to not divulge confidential matters " - perhaps in judicial matters- but it's NEVER good to keep child abuse confidential within just the circle of elders or WT legal. That information NEEDS to be told to the police authorities whether it's in a reporting state- or not - so that police can do their work of protecting not only the community but the children of JW's and non-JW's. Otherwise the wheels of justice get stuck in the mud of the WT legal department- and that is NOT a good thing

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Mind control.

by New day in

in a recent thread someone mentioned that the wtbts uses mind control techniques.

do you think this is a conscious ploy?

if it is it would mean that the leaders of my religion (i am still an active jw) set out consciously to control people.

flipper

Indeed WT Society and it's leaders know what they are doing in controlling 8 million JW's. All you have to do as an example of this is look at the recent you tube of Stephen Lett calling apostates " ridiculous for asserting that we protect pedophiles. " He acted so astonished with his facial expressions and stated, " can you believe they would SAY such a thing " ? - so as to influence JW's to even DISMISS the thought that the WT Society might be guilty about protecting pedophiles and child molesters.

Some of these practices in Steve Hassan's books on mind control are called " thought stopping " a method that many mind control cults use- including Jehovah's Witnesses. It's used to dismiss any doubt whatsoever. Then these high control, mind control organizations continue using guilt and fear to keep controlling members . Fear of dying at the big A. Fear of being cut off from your family. Fear of turning into a sinning Zombie if you stop attending meetings. Fear is a very powerful motivating tool and the WT leaders have used this tactic for years as do the Scientologists and Mormons and other cults.

I strongly recommend reading Steve Hassan's 3 books on Mind Control so you can inform yourself of the many tactics in understanding what you're dealing with inside the JW organization. I was born and raised in it- got out at age 44 over 11 years ago and Steve Hassan's books helped me understand more about these organizations and how they operate than anything else. It also helped me to understand why I felt the way I did after coming under the WT Society spell. Steve Hassan's website is : www.freedomofmind.com. The title of his 1st book is Combatting Cult Mind Control. Book # 2 - is titled Releasing the Bonds- Empowering People to Think for Themselves and Book # 3 - Freedom of Mind - Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs. I think you will greatly benefit from reading these books. We are here as a support to you as well. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Assembly Assessment increased 300%

by James Jack in

while at the assembly, when reading the financial statement, i noticed our expenses went from $2500 to almost $9500 so i questioned an elder and said that the assessment per publisher is at $10.50 for all in the us branch territory.. he added this helps the society know how much is coming in and helps them plan out future projects!.

flipper

Sounds to me like WT Society is definitely making a killing, cooking the books, siphoning money out of these assemblies for the betterment of the WT organization. Bet they've been doing this for years behind the a scenes. WT Society has always kept the REAL financial reports behind the scenes and hasn't revealed squat to rank & file JW's. One reason among many WT is a billion $$$ corporation. Pretty disgusting

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1st time in 30 years no one Baptized at our Assembly

by James Jack in

at our assembly in alabama, no one got baptized, even though we added 3 congregations to our side in the circuit.

just looked at my wife and said wow.. yet ironically, the regular pioneer ranks have increased 45% in the last 5 years!.

flipper

Yep. I definitely go along with Finkelstein's take- " welcome to the information age Watchtower corporation " . Exactly. The better access the public and even lurking wannabe JW's have to the Internet and revealing information - the less they wannabe a JW. Stands to reason. Believing in reality is better than believing in false fantasy's

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Hello All!

by ihunt in

jw
friends

i figure it's about time that i stop silently lurking around this community and actually add to the conversation, so here goes a first post.

a little about me-i was born "half-in", that is, my mother has been a witness for the entirety of my life whereas my father has never been.

i was an active part of the congregation (at least for what an unbaptized publisher can do) until i turned 18 and got an opportunity to attend a university (go school!).

flipper

IHUNT- Welcome to the board my friend. We are all survivors here from having been in a high control organization. Look forward to knowing you and giving you support ! Take care

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Epic Discussion ( Confrontation ) with JW Cart People about WT Child Abuse

by flipper in

so i had about had enough of reading jw's excuses online about wt child abuse and the candace conti nightline abc video about her case.

this is a really deep burning topic to me as i'm sure it is to many of you.

so today the gloves came off.

flipper

OUTLAW- Pretty funny stuff. I like that song " Horse with No Name ". LOL.

LOVUNIHATEXAMS- Thanks, yeah I agree I shouldn't have torn up their literature but I was trying to show them if they de-valued my information then I didn't value theirs either. Next time I probably won't tear it up. If I talk to some different people I'll just hand it back to them. Peace out, mr. Flipper

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jwtalk...wow. just...wow.

by HeyThere in

so i was lurking on jwtalk after trying to read the thread on there about the broadcast about the conti case...and holy moly there are some bat ish crazy talk on that site!

they also blocked the thread about the broadcast, lol!

they are scuuuuured (scared).

flipper

Wow, I just looked at the link to try to get on that board to give these JW's access to information- it's like trying to get into Fort Knox- can't be done unless you give Song # such and such from such and such meeting and a bunch of other stuff only J-dubs would know. Talk about " closed society ". Wow