DUBSTEPPED- I totally agree with you. I have been treated unfairly and inhumanely from my JW relatives as well as has my adult EX-JW son, we have lived it and experienced it personally. As have thousands of people on this board ! I agree with every single word in your last post. What a sad day for humanity when these JW relatives of Lauren Stuart show such calloused and barbaric behavior towards the deaths of their natural relatives. You see this same callousness at JW funerals as well because they think their dead relatives will be back . They do not know what real human mourning, sadness and empathy are. It's been indoctrinated right out of their souls. Disgusting
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Two May 19th articles about Lauren Stuart who killed her husband & two children-left a video & suicide note blaming sexual abuse & exclusion
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5748191/woman-blamed-sexual-abuse-ostracism-jehovahs-witness-reasons-killing-suicide.html.
revealed: ex-jehovah's witness turned model, 45, left a video and suicide note blaming childhood sex abuse and exclusion from her religion for killing her husband and children.
lauren stuart of keego harbor, michigan had been researching suicide methods on youtube and videos on how to use a glock for weeks .
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Is there evidence about Jaracz?
by Gorbatchov inread some reply's about jaracz being a child abuser.. is there any evidence about it?.
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Another thing that is pretty solid evidence against Ted Jaracz and his enabling of child molesters ; or quite possibly enabling his own crimes - is that initially in the early 1990's when the WT Society writing committee was working on putting out Awake magazine articles about child abuse - Lloyd Barry was the head of the writing department and Ted Jaracz head of the service department, I believe. Both were GB members at the time.
I was told by a reliable source in Bethel and I'm pretty sure this may have been in either Dogpatch or Barbara Anderson's writings - I remember reading it- that Ted Jaracz was furious that Lloyd Barry was committed to putting articles out in the Awake magazine to address child molesters and the danger to children. Jaracz and Lloyd Barry got into very heated discussions and arguments about printing those articles - and finally Lloyd Barry prevailed and the articles were printed.
So the question begs : What was the reason Jaracz was so aggressive in his not wanting articles about protecting children from child abuse to be printed ? I mean- how weird is that ? Unless he had something to hide. He was also very dismissive in an interview about WT child abuse with an England reporter after he gave a discourse there years ago. So this is just another aspect of this story that deserves some consideration. Here is the link to that interview with Ted Jaracz making excuses for WT Society child abuse and no reporting due to what he calls " privacy laws " .
The link : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zObDeL9jRM8.
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Another very tragic shooting incident where innocent teenagers lives are snuffed out and their families lives destroyed. There are no easy solutions. Yes, I agree that every high school in America should have at least one armed policeman or guard there at the ready for these types of situations. I agree in responsible gun protection and responsible gun ownership.
But until the United States congress passes responsible gun legislation and congressmen stop accepting blood money from organizations like the NRA to help finance their re-elections to congress ; accepting the money will take priority over teenagers or young kids getting murdered in schools. Quite possibly until this country has a majority of Democrats in the House of Representatives & Congress - responsible gun legislation will not be passed. That's just reality.
True, there are some Democratic senators that accept money from the NRA as well, however not near as many as the Republican party. So- stricter gun legislation laws have to be passed so that mentally deranged killers , minors, adults, whomever have stricter background checks and perhaps penalties handed down to gun shop owners who still will sell to any Tom, Dick, or Harry that have criminal records OR mental health records indicating instability.
And it would be nice to see the military and the federal government cooperate in releasing records of criminal or unstable shooters background as well. The FBI dropped the ball on the Florida shooter ; and the U.S. military dropped the ball on the creep that shot up the church in Texas last year as well. The military failed to release his criminal records to Texas local police, so they didn't know he was even on the radar. There has to be better communication between police authorities, schools, mental health organizations - everybody - before these types of gross killings get corrected, or at least minimized. There is PLENTY of blame to go around where many different entities have dropped the ball and been irresponsible. Including parents in their own homes who protect such mentally deranged brats from ever receiving needed mental help. Parents should be held accountable as well if they fail to give their minor children that needed help.
O.K. That about covers it. Bring your slings & arrows, I can handle it. Did I miss anything ? Let me know, I have an open mind. I agree- it's not the guns fault, it's just all the idiots that aren't responsible in dealing with all the cracks in the cement in our society that allow these killings to escalate. Peace out, and empathy to all of the families that have lost their children and to the children who will never see a future ever. Sincerely, Mr. Flipper
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The Ever-Changing Watch Tower Doctrines Betray Its Corruption
by Dogpatch inthe ever-changing watch tower doctrines betray its corruption.
by randall watters.
"new light from jehovah's organization!
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In line with Gorbatchov's current thread, very important that this Randy Watters thread be bumped up for newer EX-JW members here to read. Information is power and lack of information is ignorance
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CO asked for everyone 20 years old & younger for a group photo
by LevelThePlayingField inthere was a co visit in ohio a couple weeks ago.
when he was finishing up his sunday talk he said that he would like if "all the children that are from this congregation, not if you're just visiting, but from this congregation to come on up on the stage right after the meeting because i want to get a picture of you.".
i thought to myself, why?
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STILL TOTALLY ADD - Your statement about the D.O. doing this, " Half an hour after I went to bed he would come into my room and turn the light on and just stare at me for a few minutes then turn the light off and leave without saying a word. "
Good gawd man, was that freaking Ted Jaracz who did this to you ? He was a D.O. out here in California in the 1960's and was allegedly charged by young JW victims of molesting them back then. One woman even hunted him down at Bethel when he became a GB member and confronted him on the Bethel steps about abusing her years before !
My dad & mom had Jaracz and his wife stay at our house when I was 11 yrs.old as my dad was City Overseer and although Ted Jaracz didn't bother me- his wife wanted to wash my hair as she had been a hair stylist. I thought she was gonna damn near rub my scalp raw as she worked the shampoo in really way too hard. I don't know if she had something against kids due to Ted's penchant for possibly abusing kids - but it was too damned rough on an 11 year olds scalp. I told my mom & dad " don't ever let somebody do that to me again " . Jesus Christ. The things we had to put up with just being an elders kid. Total crap. Take care, Peace out buddy, Mr. Flipper
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What do you think?
by JRK inif a decades-long apostate decides that they should marry a semi-active jw, what odds would you put on the viability of the marriage?
if not viable, how long before the shit would hit the fan?
jk.
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" How long before the shit hits the fan " ?
I'd say about 2 minutes. Probably more details than you care to know about. And the recipient has the shit blown back in his or her face now. Don't sweat it bud. You're luckier than you know. Love ya, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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What makes you---YOU?
by eyeuse2badub inof course this is an open ended question but have you ever really thought about what makes you who you are?.
is it our looks, our personality, our physique, our intelligence, our experiences and subsequent memories, our beliefs?
is it a combination of all these things and even more?
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My mom & dad getting together doing the horizontal bop made me who I am. I don't know how everybody else got here. I can only speak for myself. lol.
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Paranormal stuff: is it a cultural thing? Rant ahead
by Whynot inparanormal stuff is common where my family is from it's almost expected.
native american background, my great grandmother was a witch doctor a damn good one too, my non witness relatives dabble in it.
so i have seen stuff and experienced stuff.
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As some here have so appropriately put it - we as humans DO NOT know everything there is to know about the paranormal. In answer to the question by one poster " have these experiences happened due to drugs " ? For me the answer is " no " - In the occasional experiences I've had I've been fully in possession of my own mind thank you very much. I'm not one of those " unstable attention seeking nuts " that another poster referred to.
As the others who shared their experiences here stated , many of us aren't sure of what we've experienced , we aren't being dogmatic, just honest in disclosing certain experiences , in which there should be no shame in that- unless some here really ARE scared of imaginary " boogie men " or " Satan " or " demons " . lol. I don't see how that honest people just sharing their experiences threatens anyone's belief systems or existence in their life.
In my personal experiences in two of the experiences I had - it seemed very much to me that both experiences were leaning towards two different deceased people trying to send me a message. Allow me to explain. I'm a big boy and can deal with any slings & arrows of insult I receive here. God knows I've been insulted on other threads by folks.
So in the first instance in 2015 it happened at a commercial job inside an office I was doing work at. I had a worker named Rebecca, a young mother who had died of heart failure two years before at age 33. She had two sons of her own in their teens who were devastated when their mom died. We had had conversations when she was alive about how my JW daughters shunned me and she felt really bad about how this made me sad. I looked at her like a daughter myself and she had met my wife and worked on jobs with me & my son as well. She used to work at this one particular job in this same office in an industrial complex and after she had died sometimes I'd just talk openly about how much I missed her and the lights would start flickering in this little computer side room.
O.K. so hear me out . I had just heard in the summer of 2015 that my JW daughter was going to have a baby, I'd be a grandpa for the first time. So I just started saying this out loud at this job " Hey Rebecca , I just wanted you to know I'm going to be a grandpa for the first time " - then immediately- these two cell phones that were turned OFF , yet plugged in two opposite offices start getting a bunch of static on them ! In the midst of the static - a lady started laughing !. I yelled out " Rebeccah ? " And i'd go into one office this lady would laugh and I'd hear this laugh transfer to the other cell phone in the OTHER office ! Freaking incredible. So I ran to the other office. This laughing sounded just like the way my worker used to laugh, yet it wouldn't speak to me. It lasted about 1 to 2 minutes and I kept saying her name " Rebeccah " - then all of a sudden the static went quiet and boom, nothing, no laughing, it stopped. All that came to my mind in my intuition is that possibly ( for those who might doubt, not being dogmatic here ) it MAY have been my deceased worker expressing joy & happiness that I was going to be a grandpa for the first time. There was really no scientific explanation for two cell phones to go off like this when they were turned off being charged.
O.K. The 2nd experience happened in December of 2017 right after my JW mom died. As most know here I had a really close relationship with my mom. While she was lying on her bed at the hospital in her final hours she was conscious, but could not talk as she had a massive stroke 8 days before taking her speech away. I leaned into her and told her, " Mom, I don't know what happens after we pass away, but I want you to know that IF there is something after you die, my wife and I invite you to please visit us in any way, shape, or form if you want to communicate to us. We would love to hear from you, so please let us know in some manner if you're out there somehow . " Kissed her on her forehead not really knowing what to expect.
Fast forward 2 days later after she died I was typing on this same computer posting a thread on the private section about her death. I was typing a long thread for sure about her final hours, and just towards the end of the thread exactly at the time when I typed THIS statement " I told my mom to please contact me if there's anything after life if she was able to get in touch with us " - just THEN - the computer screen started getting static electricity and went totally dark along all 4 sides in a square and the only light on the screen then zoomed in to that statement I just told you in quotes ! I sat there absolutely stunned ! I couldn't believe it- but it seemed, or quite possibly appeared that my mom was letting me know she was there through this electrical energy experience. I had no other explanation. It lasted about 1 minute and I called my wife in to see it, she was gobsmacked as well. Then, boom ! As soon as I hit the submit post button the computer screen went back to normal working just fine. The computer had no malfunction, it had NEVER done this before with dark on the screen and static lines appearing on the dark part of the screen.
So those are the two biggest possible paranormal experiences I've had. Hey look, it seemed to me it was pretty damning evidence that there's something in the after death experience that we humans just don't understand. There are plenty of things in this life that many of us just don't understand. In the words of the Kansas song " Carry on Wayward Son " it states, " If I claim to be a wise man, it surely means that I do't know."
I had no reason to feel like this one poster stated, " No one is ever embarrassed or ashamed of being in touch with their dead ancestors it seems. " I for one have no REASON to be embarrassed or ashamed of ANYTHING. I left off all the " guilt " or "shame " feelings when I exited the severe judgmental cult called Jehovah's Witnesses. It was a warm, good feeling to think my mom might be contacting me in the afterlife.
As most folks who personally know me here, I'm a pretty grounded, reasonable person who wouldn't just make things up or pull things out of my ass for attention. I'm definitely not one of those " attention seeking nuts " described earlier.
But hey life is interesting. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one. It's what makes the world go around. I have a happy life , great friends, success in business, and any attempt made to discredit me falls off my back like water off a ducks back. Carry on then. I will continue to enjoy life totally
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Neanderthals - Meet Your Ancestors
by Earnest intonight (sunday, 13th may) at 20:00 on bbc 2 ... for neanderthal believers, agnostics and deniers.. this first programme in a two-part series investigates what neanderthals looked like and and how they lived in their ice age world.
it turns out that almost everything we thought we knew about them is wrong.
they weren't hunched, grunting, knuckle-dragging ape-men at all.
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LONG HAIR GAL- Yeah, it was really interesting taking the DNA test. I was really surprised I was 3.1 % Neanderthal. My wife thinks it's sexy though, so hey, that's what counts with me. I don't walk around dragging her by her hair or anything or walk around with a club like Fred Flintstone- I promise . I'm a pretty normal guy. lol. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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Paranormal stuff: is it a cultural thing? Rant ahead
by Whynot inparanormal stuff is common where my family is from it's almost expected.
native american background, my great grandmother was a witch doctor a damn good one too, my non witness relatives dabble in it.
so i have seen stuff and experienced stuff.
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XANTHIPPE- Hey thanks. Yeah, I don't know what's out there. I don't speak in absolutes on this subject. All I can share is my actual experiences I've had and those experiences were real I guarantee that. A bit unnerving, but yet calming as well - if that makes any sense. Once it happened several times , I found there's no reason to fear it. I'm glad you've had those experiences too and have an open mind to it without fear. What did Franklin Roosevelt state one time " there's nothing to fear, but fear itself " ? lol. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper