Thanks John Doe for making that easier to read as I'm the first to admit I am a computer invalid who needs more training. Much thanks to you. And thanks to changling and others for the nice thoughts. Have always tried to be a decent person to others, that's why I've never understood the aggresive meanness of the governing body, elders, and directives handed down through them. Peace out, Thanks again, Mr. Flipper
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The Story of Mr. & Mrs. Flipper
by flipper init was requested of someone on the board via pm to tell our story.
i'll try to keep it brief, for me that's hard.
mrs. flipper was raised catholic and got out when she was 12 because the nuns and cathlolic school teachers didn't like her independent thinking mind.
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The Story of Mr. & Mrs. Flipper
by flipper init was requested of someone on the board via pm to tell our story.
i'll try to keep it brief, for me that's hard.
mrs. flipper was raised catholic and got out when she was 12 because the nuns and cathlolic school teachers didn't like her independent thinking mind.
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Hello DJK- I did indeed have to restrain myself from actually crawling across the table and strangling the hell out of that particular elder. Very self righteous dude! But I thought, naw, he's not worth getting arrested over! Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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The Story of Mr. & Mrs. Flipper
by flipper init was requested of someone on the board via pm to tell our story.
i'll try to keep it brief, for me that's hard.
mrs. flipper was raised catholic and got out when she was 12 because the nuns and cathlolic school teachers didn't like her independent thinking mind.
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Hello all. It was requested of someone on the board via pm to tell our story. So here goes. I'll try to keep it brief, for me that's hard. Mrs. Flipper was raised Catholic and got out when she was 12 because the nuns and cathlolic school teachers didn't like her independent thinking mind. She saw it wasn't for her,so got out. She never went back to religion but remains a very earthy, spiritual, woman. I would describe her as going along with native americans views on religion. My views too. Try to be accepting of others.
She divorced in 1990 and we met in early 2006, got married in Oct. of 2006. Met on E-harmony.com. It really worked, we have similar interests, mountains, music, justice, and ethical treatment of others. It worked great. She is 52, I will be 48 in October. We are very happy. Her parents are in late 70's live in the area,they left catholism too.
Mr. Flipper was born and raised as a jw since birth. (Poor bastard)! My dad was city overseer for 30 plus years in a town in the Southern San Joaquin Valley in California. Was raised and stayed in that town till age 25. I was the youngest of 4 children, all towing the line as elders children in the 1950's, 1960's and 1970's. My older brother went to Bethel from 1967 to 1974 then became a self righteous elder who everybody looked up to as important. My older sister graduated Gilead in 1972, but could,nt go overseas as her husband got depression and they had to come back home to California. Had another older sister who married an abusive witness husband who beat the hell out of her.Finally getting in the face of the elders she said she could not take it anymore, she was divorcing him. Good for her. I get along with that sister, not the overachievers though.
Mr. Flipper was a ministerial servant 6 years, regular pioneer 3 years till ex wife #1 had our first child in 1985. My son is now 22 a smart college going exwitness like myself, and my greatest friend and advocate other than Mrs. Flipper, love him to pieces. First ex and I divorced in 1998 as she was having flashbacks on being molested as a girl. She refused counseling, as actually recommended by the elders, and we could not continue the marriage as man and wife as she refused any kind of sex at all. So we seperated with divorce pending it was mutual, but in 1999 I had trouble holding on as a single person and in a seperated, divorce pending state got a girlfriend. The ex wife even thogh split up from a year before ratted me out, I got disfellowshipped , was out for 3 years till 2002. Got reinstated primarily to associate with my family again, but really wanted to give the org. another try. Married my non witness girlfriend. It only lasted a year and a half as she was an emotional terrorist, addicted to methamphetamine or crank. I didn't know how to recognize it having been raised a witness.
The elders pretended to show caring by listening to me tell of mt then wife kicking me out of the bedroom 16 times in a year and a half because she'd get in a snit over something, anything sets cranksters off. You can just look at them funny and they're paranoid as hell, mad. So mercifully she left with her kids in late 2003, and I had peace once again. After she left, she hooked up with a guy.
I had a lady friend 4 months after she left who I went to coffee with, a publisher ratted on me in the congregation and all of a sudden a judicial committee meeting was set. I thought the elders were checking on me to see how I was faring after the split but they had it out for me. They said I should try to get back with my drug addicted wife as long as my kids were'nt involved and I told them to take a flying leap. They said,"Well, since you are dating 4 months after your wife left it appears you didn't care much about the marriage working". I told them that offended me greatly as we had gone to several marriage counseling sessions to save it. Hard to live with a druggie though.
So I walked out of that kingdom hall and never went back. My mom and dad the elder were supportive of my decision as they felt I had been given bad counsel. After trying to convince me that it was imperfection and don't judge the whole organization on those elders, I asked them,"Why isn't there a check system in place that the circuit overseer can pour over the things written and said which are wrong in jc meetings? They just allow the elders too much free rein to give half-assed counsel to people, ruining their lives in the process." I woudn't back down, so my folks respected that. But my daughters didn't. My ex, their mom started maligning me to my daughters saying I was being rebellious and should listen to the elders. She influenced my girls to not have much to do with me till I went back to meetings. So for 4 years I've tried to have a semi relationship with them, as much as they'll let me. But now they married "good" witness boys so we'll see what happens.
My younger aggresive daughter and her mother recently (last 10 months) tried to get me dfed after fading for 4 years not attending meetings, claiming falsely I lived with Mrs. Flipper before we married. The ex wife s efforts failed as an appeal committee overturned the original jcs decision to df me. They had no proof, everything was hearsay, and the original jc dfed me because I refused to meet with them about the false charge. That being said, my ex wife still tried to slander my character to my parents and older brother and sisters. My parents saw it for what it was, an ex wife being vindictive and they supported the appeal committee elders decision to not df me. The society handed the decision to them.
So now I continue my long hopefully (peaceful) fade having weathered some storms here. My loving wife and 22 year old loving son are my best friends and support. It's been a hell of a last 11 months, however I am an eternal optimist and the glass is always half full with me. I've been self employed 25 years and my wife is too, we do fine,are at peace. Some of my jw family accepts me, some don't, what can you do? I know I'm a decent guy, and treat all my kids with love the same, whether they accept it or not, it's up to them. So hope you enjoyed it, we all have our jw stories and may peace inhabit all of your lives on this board. Mr. Flipper for Mrs. flipper and Goodnight now!
P.S. One of my main motives since being out is to help people see how to get out and to reveal the evil that goes on in the organization regarding child molestation coverups and other abuses of free will. Peace
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How Were Intelligent "Sisters" Treated In Your Congregation?
by minimus inas a rule, i believe jehovah's witnesses treat females as sub par to the menfolk.
i knew a lot of women in the hall that were smarter than their mates.
they begrudgingly got respect from most of the elders.
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Nvr- Correction, we have played 222 games. See how stupid I am? Gawd, can't even add! Peace out, Mr. Flipper of the send me back to school class!
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How Were Intelligent "Sisters" Treated In Your Congregation?
by minimus inas a rule, i believe jehovah's witnesses treat females as sub par to the menfolk.
i knew a lot of women in the hall that were smarter than their mates.
they begrudgingly got respect from most of the elders.
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Agreed Nvr- Mrs. Flipper kicks my a$$ in scrabble often. Since meeting we have played 218 games. She has won 118 I've won 104. So it's pretty close, but gawd she was a spelling bee freak in junior high school, so I don't have a snowballs chance to catch her. But she does impress me, educates me, and turns me on all in one crack! Oh that sounded weird! Anyway, you know what I mean
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How Were Intelligent "Sisters" Treated In Your Congregation?
by minimus inas a rule, i believe jehovah's witnesses treat females as sub par to the menfolk.
i knew a lot of women in the hall that were smarter than their mates.
they begrudgingly got respect from most of the elders.
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I agree with you Minimus, most of the elders I knew were impressed by these kinds of sisters and would try to convince their dub wives they wanted to work in service with sister smart to see how she was doing! I think that some elders who did this might just have been bored with dull conversations with some of their own wives and wanted an intellectual challenge! I think some of these guys got turned on a little by the intelligence of some of these sisters. Not that they did anything wrong, mind you, but it seems that the intelligent sisters would know how to engage and stroke the elders intellectual libido, and this made the elders feel good about themselves. I saw this often in the org
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People On This Board Have Feelings!
by minimus ini think it's easy to forget that our communication with others here can be very real.
we're not just "posters".
we're persons, real people--- and we have feelings and emotions.
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Snakes, having been raised in the witnesses, I totally understand your take of fading carefully, as you want to try to hang onto some relationships with friends who are witnesses. I have some family who won't acknowledge me, (older self righteous ex bethel elder) and (Ex gilead graduate older sister) but my parents and another sister do talk with me still and care. Am still working on my daughters 20 and 19, they won't have much to do with me, but I keep trying. But I feel a lot of support and strength from this jwd site. You can rest assured my friend, Snakes, I'll continue to support you, as Mrs. Flipper and I will do to anybody else who needs a hearing ear. That's what we're all here for hopefully, to help and care. We didn't get that in the org
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How Did you Feel Being Raised as a Jehovah's Witness?
by flipper inquite a thought, huh?
i was raised from birth as my family was in it 7 years before i was born ( 1952).
i remember wanting to go out for school sports in high school as my p.e.
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Helcon- Thanks for the reply. I too was raised a witness but it was too sheltering in that I wasn't quite prepared with how rough the work world would be. Got married young at 19 and immediately was working full time to provide for a young jw wife who in 19 years ran credit card debt up to $20,000. That wasn't the kind of enlightenment I was looking for initially in marriage. But I recovered since 1998 from that. But young people aren't really trained enough to see how to deal with people in the outside world, and educated enough to hold down a good job. Thank god I'm self employed as an Entreupener. Don't know what I would have done
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Showing Concern for Posters we Haven't Heard Lately.Do You Know Some?
by flipper inmrs. flipper and i were talking about this today.
since our dear friend core 88 has been feeling downhearted, my wife and i thought who else have we not heard from lately that could use some acknowledgement to let them know we all are thinking about them?
can you folks think of some posters who might be down or need to be helped to see they are needed or cared about when we don't hear from them?
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Gerard- thanks for the information on Rowan.I do hope she continues getting the help she needs. But you definitely emphasized the point we all should try to notice who is down or depressed among us, as this site is all some of these posters have to look forward to in life. I know that's generalizing, but it might be true, too. Anybody else think of anyone who needs help or encouragement, emotionally or otherwise? Peace to you all, Mr. Flipper
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Music Fans!! Once again I Ask, What's Your Top 10 Favorite Albums?
by flipper inhello gang!
didn't think i'd let you off easy did you?
this one might really make us dig into our personal archives!
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Hello Mr. Flipper here. Good selections by all of you! It's hard because there have been so many classic albums over the past. I was also thinking of live albums because some of these musicians actually sound better live than in the studio. For instance I always liked Neil Youngs Live Rust. The rendition of "Like a Hurricane" was better than the studio version. Just a thought