Thanks Blondie,
I'd never heard of that book before, but yesterday I heard a talk by Grace Gough and she mentioned it and now you do to, so I'll track down a copy.
Must be a sign.
AlphaOmega
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"Minor" Doctrines - A Loyalty Test ?
by AlphaOmega init's just occured to me that jws go "all out" to show that they are different from "christendom".. obviously they say this because they claim "to be in the truth", but could it be that these differences, these doctrines, make it easy to spot one who is doubting the organisation?.
could it be that by displaying "fruits of faith" that differ from jw doctrine, it is the only way that the gb / elders / whoever have of being able to see into the hearts and minds of the rank and file jws?.
could it be that : having a beard, not accepting the torture state thing, listening to certain music, reading certain literature, not attending so many meetings, not putting enough hours on the record card etc etc are just ways to see who is conforming ?.
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"Minor" Doctrines - A Loyalty Test ?
by AlphaOmega init's just occured to me that jws go "all out" to show that they are different from "christendom".. obviously they say this because they claim "to be in the truth", but could it be that these differences, these doctrines, make it easy to spot one who is doubting the organisation?.
could it be that by displaying "fruits of faith" that differ from jw doctrine, it is the only way that the gb / elders / whoever have of being able to see into the hearts and minds of the rank and file jws?.
could it be that : having a beard, not accepting the torture state thing, listening to certain music, reading certain literature, not attending so many meetings, not putting enough hours on the record card etc etc are just ways to see who is conforming ?.
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AlphaOmega
It's just occured to me that JWs go "all out" to show that they are DIFFERENT from "Christendom".
Obviously they say this because they claim "to be in the Truth", but could it be that these differences, these doctrines, make it easy to spot one who is doubting the organisation?
Could it be that by displaying "fruits of faith" that differ from JW doctrine, it is the only way that the GB / ELDERS / WHOEVER have of being able to see into the hearts and minds of the Rank and File JWs?
Could it be that : having a beard, not accepting the torture state thing, listening to certain music, reading certain literature, not attending so many meetings, not putting enough hours on the record card etc etc are just ways to see who is conforming ?
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What Happened to the Downloaded Info from Kents Site?
by NewLight2 ini thought that someone(s) were working on getting that info back up on the internet.
if it is up and running, where is it at?
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After reading many topics.. I'm confused. Is this a JW forum or an ANTI-JW?
by MichaelM ini'm studying with a jehovah's witness and it makes quite a bit of sense but i've been reading many topics on here and it seems that i can find every christian denomination and every religion except jehovahs witnesses.
do any jw's actually browse here?
maybe i'm just getting unlucky and picking the wrong topics where everyones discussing about how they used to be jw's.
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AlphaOmega
I would recommend the Bible software E-Sword - it has many free Bible translations, and the NWT is unofficially available for it.
You WILL find that secular referencing is discouraged when you are deeper in the rabbit hole. It is common for other translations to be allowed in initial Bible studies, but you will soon be taught that all other translations suffer from "errors" of one sort or another.
You are being very careful in checking things out on the web beforehand. That is a wise thing to do. Infact it is what the Bereans did (execpt they didn't have the internet then !)
How far into your studies are you ?
This is not an anti-JW site. Many of the posters now have a much deeper relationship with Jesus than they did before, they just don't believe that you need an organisation to stand between Man and God, thanks to the acts of Jesus. That organisation may be the Papacy, the priesthood, or it may be the Faithful and Discreet Slave.
You will find that the further into your studies you go, there is an increasing importance placed on the Governing Body of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Culminating in the point where you will be told that you have to "come to them for salvation". This makes many of us feel uneasy as Jesus told us "not to call anyone your leader".
Having an organisation may seem the logical thing to do as a group of Jesus' followers grows, and it may well be, but check out the organisation first as the two questions that you will be asked when getting baptised are :
***w064/1p.22 ‘Go and Make Disciples, Baptizing Them’***
[Box/Picture on page22]
The Two Baptismal Questions
On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?
Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s spirit-directed organization?
Yet, we are comanded in the Bible to "Baptise in the name of the Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit"
However the "What Does The Bible Really Teach?" says...
bh chap.18p.183par.24 Baptism and Your Relationship With God******
... Remember, too, that you have made a dedication to Jehovah God himself, not to a work, a cause, other humans, or an organization.
This didn't seem like a very honest start to me when I was studying.
As has already been said here, if you EVER have any questions then please don't be afraid to post them, likewise if you would like anyone to check out any references that come up in the studies then please ask away.
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I JUST GOT THIS EMAIL........
by Mary infrom a former co-worker of mine that says the following:.
"...[her daughter who is attending university of toronto] is working on a research paper for her religion course and she has chosen to do it on jehova (sp?
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AlphaOmega
Or how about,
"Jehovah's Witnesses : The Theology That Won't Stand Still"
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I JUST GOT THIS EMAIL........
by Mary infrom a former co-worker of mine that says the following:.
"...[her daughter who is attending university of toronto] is working on a research paper for her religion course and she has chosen to do it on jehova (sp?
) witnesses.
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AlphaOmega
This site - http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/ - eased me into the subject (although some of the dates for references need checking AND the photo of the 1914 rapture is clearly untrue, as pointed out by poster here).
Also, some of the MP3s that are floating around the internet by Bill Cetnar are excellent.
http://www.filesend.net/download.php?f=9dd1be9ce017fc4e49df05a6cc8f464b
Scroll down, (excuse the daft videos) and then wait until the big orange download button appears.
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HAPPY 6 YEARS BLONDIE !
by AlphaOmega inas per blondie's earlier post, she has been here 6 years.. also, the stats on this site show that she is its all-time biggest poster.. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/stats/posters/y/99/10.ashx.
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AlphaOmega
As per Blondie's earlier post, she has been here 6 years.
ALSO, the stats on this site show that she is its all-time biggest poster.
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"Settlements" : Silentlambs Video on Channel 4 News
by AlphaOmega inhttp://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/index.php/sexual-child-abuse/watchtower-society-settles-sexual-abuse-cases-to-prevent-victims-from-speaking-out/#more-346.
sorry if this has already been posted.. .
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AlphaOmega
OOPS - Sorry again.
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New Release: "Come Be My Follower"
by truthseeker inanother delightful, spiritually meaty 192 page publication from the "faithful and discreet slave class".
front cover - jesus waving.. .
back cover - do you feel lost and in need of direction?
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AlphaOmega
Leolaia said AlphaOmega....This one is even better:
*** w59 5/1 p. 269 pars. 6-7 Attain Completeness in the New World Society ***
The whole body under the direction of the head moves and acts as a beautifully co-ordinated unit, perfectly organized. In the same way Christ, the Head, employs the organization that is his body to carry out his assigned work. His orders reach the whole of the organization on earth through the governing body, and on down through the Branches to the congregations.—1 Cor. 12:12-18; Matt. 24:45-47. To hold to the headship of Christ, it is therefore necessary to obey the organization that he is personally directing. Doing what the organization says is to do what he says. Resisting the organization is to resist him.
WOW ! No algebra needed there then !
Thank you for that - I don't think that I have that bound volume, but I'll check and post some scans. Maybe Atlantis will beat me to it.
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"Settlements" : Silentlambs Video on Channel 4 News
by AlphaOmega inhttp://www.watchtowerinformationservice.org/index.php/sexual-child-abuse/watchtower-society-settles-sexual-abuse-cases-to-prevent-victims-from-speaking-out/#more-346.
sorry if this has already been posted.. .
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