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  Adam Naming the Animals ... Did It Take THAT Long ???

  by RubaDub in

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  the bible speaks about adam naming the animals in the garden of eden.. any thoughts about how long that would have taken ???.

  i mean, you have steve and betty the sheep, mike and nancy the dogs, miguel and maria the zebras, irv and amanda the cats, etc, etc, etc.. it doesn't seem like it would take a long period of time.

  plus, he was alone at the time so he wasn't getting pestered from his wife and kids about what the names should be.

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  The creation account is confusing to say the least. There are two conflicting accounts. Some events before each

  other in both accounts. In chapter 2 god is to make a helper for adam but then creates the animals first, later the woman.

  I sometimes think that most of this story is just about the creation of adam and his immediate surroundings. Same as the

  flood story, you know the localized thing, and the meaning of the earth thing. There seems to be more and more proof of man

  being here more than 6.000 years. To bring every animal from all the earth to be named would be an astronomical

  feat . All you have to do is place yourself in adams position and think about how long it would take you. All the bible

  seems to deal only with what is called the holy land. I guess my point is that for adam to have named all the animals

  it would be only the animals in his immediate area, or the garden of eden. But this is just my sometimes dilusional

  thinking.
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  Cost cutting! The New world Translation is now a soft cover paperback! Mormon style!

  by Witness 007 in

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  calanders have been shrunk to half {less room for hours} awake is now monthly, the watchtower has a "witness only" edition and now.....the bibles are soft cover like the "book of mormon".......less cash out i guess..

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  I used the large print nwt but I hated it being hard bound was to hard to handle. I actually would have preferred the

  paperback version. several years ago I bought the giant print kjv in leather . It was a very nice blble, got it for 30.00 bucks.

  That sure beat having the piece of crap nwt bound for over 60.00.
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  Do you say the world is BETTER since 1914 or WORSE?

  by hamsterbait in

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  Ask any jw in what century and what country would you have preferred to live in and why. All I have asked said they

  would prefer to stay where they are.
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  did you find JW's expected products/services for free from other JW's?

  by highdose in

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  just wondering if i'm the only one whose experianced this?.

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  I found that you have to make it very clear to jws that you are going to charge them. Always put it in writing. If they even hint

  they are a little flaky , (which is most of them) then don't do any buisness with them. I learned the hard way when I was

  young. I told my son to never work for jws or do buisness with them, he also learned the hard way. I found that if

  a person never does anything for anyone else, then they usually want everything for nothing.
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  john 10 and the wts

  by logic in

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  reading john 10 really explains who the real sheppard is.

  the wts uses verse 16 freely but ignores the rest.

  i like verses 10-13. it describes.

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  Reading john 10 really explains who the real sheppard is. The wts uses verse 16 freely but ignores the rest. I like verses 10-13. It describes

  the wts perfectly. I just had two witness friends of my wifes over . We spent about 3 hours on why I know the fairhfull and discreet

  slave is not the wts. And there are no scriptures that even describe the wts taking over as sheppard. They had no answers for anything

  I brought up. They left with the same old crap , 'I know it is the truth" .

  We discussed the Jehovahs name thing. There is just no way to make using that name ok. What finally got them was when I explained

  that the monk that made the name up probably believed in the trinity, so it was perfectly ok to combine the two names into one. Basically

  when you say the name you are saying jesus and jehovah are the same. Their eyes got wide open then.

  Ilwill probably have the elders call on me again. The one sister started the whole thing by asking me what I thought of a talk about

  the end being so close. you know , the same old crap I have heard a million times. Maybe she will keep her mouth shut next time.

  As she headed for her car she said she will talk to me again about all this. Im not going to hold my breath.

  B y the way neither pereson knew about the new changes about the generation and the calling of the annointed.

  I fell like I have to educate the jws on the new information before I can discuss anything with them.
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  What Bored You The Most As A JW?

  by minimus in

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  i got very bored while i was a witness.. the meetings were so boring!!!.

  jws are supposed to be "busy" in the lord's work.

  if you're busy, you shouldn't be bored, right?

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  As a side note. At least I had a good sense of humor. I also wrote many captions to the societys art.

  I would show them to wife during meetings , she would get to laughing so hard she would have

  to go outside. That and I decorated the literature to suit my taste and I made sure everyone seen

  what I was doing. Some made the mistake of counseling me, I told them that this is what

  kept me from going insane from boredom that always shut them up.
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  What Bored You The Most As A JW?

  by minimus in

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  i got very bored while i was a witness.. the meetings were so boring!!!.

  jws are supposed to be "busy" in the lord's work.

  if you're busy, you shouldn't be bored, right?

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  I thought to myself many times during the watchtower study , that if I had to endure this torture everyday as

  a punishment, I would just put a bullet in my head. I think I hated the meetings worse that anyone.

  Sometimes I would count the minutes off, but then the idiots would just go overtime. I knew that I was

  going to be tortured even more when they were on paragraph 9 and 45 minutes were already gone.

  I finally quit waiting for it to end and just would get up and leave.

  Many times on the way to meetings I would just get sick , literally. I was easy for me to leave the organizatio because I had practically left already any way. I can say that from the age that I could remember my heart was never in it, I went because my mother

  made me.

  I am a very outspoken person, and many times I would tell others that said they enjoyed the meetings

  that they had to be nuts. When the elders came to my home to encourage me to go to more meetings, they made

  the mistake of asking me why I didn,t like going, I told them that it was bad enough to have to go but

  why do you guys have to run overtime all the time. I had the articles on hand to show them what the

  society had to say about it. They did try to be on time for a short time after, but not for long.

  It is funny because now I just think of the time that I wasted when I could have been doing something

  better, and how my instincts were telling me that something was terribly wrong and just wanted to

  get up and run. I just never fit in and I finally found out why, because the whole thing was illogical.
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  The Casual Importance of JW elders

  by BonaFide in

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  so here is one thing i have noticed, and i bet i was like this before myself.. so many jw elders have a sort of "casual importance" attitude at the meetings.

  they nod a lot, they have those huge bookbags, they read those society letters during the meetings, they walk down the aisles during the meeting and whisper in each others' ear, they always sit in the aisle seats.

  they give the appearance that what they are doing is the most important thing in the world.. even the way they stand, and their manner of speaking reflects that they feel important, but that they are "trying" to be humble even though jehovah god himself is using them.. for example, tonight before the meeting i was talking to an elder about the upcoming assembly.

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  Bonafide , it sounds like you have been in the congregation I was in. We had about 5 elders and 7 or 8

  ministerial servants. They all ran around with suitcases full of books. All running around passing

  out paper, all in a hurry, saying hi on the run , having to go talk to someone. Busy, busy like little

  ants doing work that they all had created by themselves, more chiefs than indians. It actually

  became my intertainment. When you watch it it is very funny. When you pay attention you

  realize that they really don't accomplish a thing. The society knows how to keep the men in the

  organization, just make them important, at least in their own eyes.
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  Another 'gag me' email

  by TJ - iAmCleared2Land in

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  funny how these people think that jehovah will arrange for a backhoe to fill a basement, or a storm to knock down a tree that the city won't let you remove, but doesn't prevent his young servants from being sexually abused, or whatever.. (gag-me email follow).

  does jehovah know what is going on, and does he help?.

  (as told by bro.

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  The reasons I never believed this crap.

  No way to prove it.

  The stories are similiar to other religious stories.

  I heard these stories when I was kid just variations, so they are at least 50 years old, and I thought it was bull then.

  Even if they were true, the odds are that something good could happen.

  If they were true the society would fall over theirselves to prove it.

  The one about the hall and the mall is just stupid, what so called wordly person knows about a

  kingdom hall being a hall.

  I saw too many jws dying from old age, car wreaks, sickness, etc. Why would these things happen

  to only a few.

  How about the people who dropped dead right in the hall.

  The sad thing is that most jws believe this stuff. Most jws do not have any reasoning power. If something

  just doesn't make sense it probably isn't true. But I know we aren't suprised at this because they believe

  all the other crap the society puts out which puts these stories to shame.

  An example of gullibility, a very nice young sister has twins, they lived in a two story house , one of the

  twins fell out of the second story window and was completly unharmed. She reasoned that the angels

  had saved him and no one ever corrected here if fact most agreed with her This woman had been in the organization all her life , very staunch witness family, the

  type that make you ill. Pioneered , they whole pile of crap, but yet she believed this. It just verified

  to me that this religion was bull.
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  Jehovah's Witnesses do not know their own doctrines

  by BonaFide in

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  2. friends

  i am still active to try and help family and friends, so that's why i say we.

  i know i have brought this up before, but i cannot get over the fact that every service group i go in, and every dinner after the meeting, or coffee or whatever, no one seems to be reading the magazines.

  no one understands the doctrines of the generation, 1919, not even blood.. when i bring up one of those subjects, one in the group will repeat the phrase we learned at the meetings, such as "blood fractions is not really blood" or "i think the generation refers more to the anointed or something like that.

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  The problem for jws is that it is hard to explain something that does not make any sense. The 1914 thing

  does not make sense, the 144,000 and great crowd does not make sense. The faithfull and discreet

  makes no sense. It is hard to explain to someone why a scripture says one thing but it means something

  different altogether. That is why if you ask a jw to explain something they have to refer to the publications

  the cut and paste thing. The reason it appears that some jws knew the bible is because they could

  do just that. They had this stuff memorized. If someone asked me to explain this stuff I could because

  I made a point of studying it untill I got it down pat. But it still did not make any sense. The more you

  you explain it the goofier it sounds. No wonder jws just do not want to talk about it.