Posts by jelcat8224

I studied with a woman years ago who did everything she needed to do, quit smoking, went in the ministry, kicked her drug using children out of her house, all of it! Then after going over the baptismal questions the elders told her she couldn't get baptized!! She left, stopped going to meetings, and quit studying. For the past few years I have been grateful that the elders denied her, but I recently learned that her daughter is now studying and attending meetings. She thanked me a few weeks ago and told me that now she can really see the "truth" ... I was in the middle of witnesses at the time so I couldn't do anything except seem pleased

jelcat

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What's with Ex-Jw's who join another religion? Fool me Twice????

by Witness 007 in

sorry no offense but why do some ex-witnesses here join another group....we have a muslim {muhamed was given a koran by an angel in a cave?

}....we have some baptists etc......i researched the bible and found there are 1,000's of gospels not part of the bible...so what's the deal...."fool me once shame on you..fool me twice shame on me" or do you have a reason for continued belief in religion...i really wan't to know since iam agnostic and don't believe in god or evolution????

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jelcat8224

Hi there worf

I honestly don't think the burden of proof lies with anyone. If I believe and you don't, I don't have to prove anything to you ... It's not up to me or any other person to try to prove anything. It's like I said earlier, it's like art. If an arist paints a picture, he/she doesn't write the message he wanted to say accross the bottom. No, the message is in the painting. Some will see it, some won't.

jelcat

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What's with Ex-Jw's who join another religion? Fool me Twice????

by Witness 007 in

sorry no offense but why do some ex-witnesses here join another group....we have a muslim {muhamed was given a koran by an angel in a cave?

}....we have some baptists etc......i researched the bible and found there are 1,000's of gospels not part of the bible...so what's the deal...."fool me once shame on you..fool me twice shame on me" or do you have a reason for continued belief in religion...i really wan't to know since iam agnostic and don't believe in god or evolution????

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jelcat8224

Proven? That is the point of faith. When I read the quran, I picked it apart, I mean I tore it to shreads!!! I read it so that could 'prove' it wrong. Unfortunately for me at the time, everytime I presented what I thought was irrefutable proof that the quran was an evil book, I was responded to by reasonable and patiently presented refutes!

I understand that people feel the same thing when they read other scripture and that is fine. If I am wrong and there is no god, then I would be ok with that. I don't believe I am hurting anyone or missing out on anything in life by living this way. If anything I am a better person and am more true to myself. Now, please remember that I am only speaking for myself and no one else.

There are many many evidences that I have seen that show ME that the quran was inspired, but others can look at that same evidence and not come to the same conclusion. I understand that. It's not supposed to smack you in the face. It is subtle and inconspicuous, just like art, to let the observer reach his/her own conclusion. But for those who see it, whether it is in the Torah, the Bible, the Quran, the Book Of Mormon, or anything else, it is abundanly clear.

jelcat

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What's with Ex-Jw's who join another religion? Fool me Twice????

by Witness 007 in

sorry no offense but why do some ex-witnesses here join another group....we have a muslim {muhamed was given a koran by an angel in a cave?

}....we have some baptists etc......i researched the bible and found there are 1,000's of gospels not part of the bible...so what's the deal...."fool me once shame on you..fool me twice shame on me" or do you have a reason for continued belief in religion...i really wan't to know since iam agnostic and don't believe in god or evolution????

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jelcat8224

For myself I can honestly say that it has nothing to do with a social nework. I have only two or three muslim friends and rarely go to the mosques, so most of my friends are not part of any religious social network for me. I can also say that it was nothing to do with jumping from one to the other so as to fill a void. I must say that when I found out that the JW's were wrong I wanted to give up on religion and faith. But for me, the existence of a creator is something that I just couldn't deny. And yes, as crazy as you all think I am , when I studied Islam I discovered a faith that I felt I could truly believe. It is logical and encourages questioning, unlike the WTS. It is something that works for me. I am not controlled, I follow Islam because I chose to. I think that just as ten people can look at a piece of art and all have differring opinions and interpretations on what the artist was trying to portray, so too is it for religions and faith. We all take our life's experiences and handle them in different ways and those experiences affect the way we see things. :) And yes, part of it for me was learning the true history behind the compilation of the bible and the inconsistencies within. I felt that for me, I just could never again have a bible based faith . I knew I believed in monotheism however and that was my starting point. From there, everything fell into place for me.

jelcat

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I finally Left!

by The Doc 58 in

i would like to give the full details of my leaving the jw's, but i don't have a lot of time at this moment.

basically i was raised in the organization and it drove me pretty insane bacause my father was an elder, mother a pioneer, sister a bethelite, etc.

so, i did the whole thing for a long time.

jelcat8224

welcome to JWD "the Doc"

I look forward to reading your story ... and congratulations!

jelcat

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Have you ever been called on by JWs?

by LouBelle in

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i've been out for nearly 3 years now.

i live in the territory but not once has jehovah witnesses knocked on my door - i haven't even seen them preaching in the area - or perhaps it's because i'm never at home in the mornings any longer.. if you have been called on, or offered magazine too - what do you say?.

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jelcat8224

I live in a gated private community so they are unable to do their work here. I have however recieved one "letter witness" in the year and a half I have lived here. Next time, I will write back!!!! I have a lot to say

jelcat

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Hello, Newbie here

by disillusionedandscared in

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goodevening all.

i am new here and thought i would introduce myself.

this is my official first post on this board.

jelcat8224

welcome welcome!!

jelcat