hi all , because i'm useless and can't be bothered studying, i need some rebuttals for the excuses given in this week's bs , (i love how the acronym matches its origin) my uber dub father pleaded with me to study this week's book study as it addresses my issues with them being directed by holy spirit etc and how jah reveals things progressively , problem is i know there's a great argument to put fwd with proper preparation but i'm onto my 2nd drink of the evening and can't be assed , please unload some smoking guns i can take with me tomorrow .
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chur.
Welcome Nf ,elsewhere on this board is revealed how they admit in a latest WT ? that they are niether inspired nor infallible ,they make mistakes , so why would anybody in their right mind obey them at all let alone with a life and death matter.
good luck with convincing your dad.
so there have been many sets of fossilized human footprints found in africa, italy, europe, britain and new mexico.
these foot prints are thought to be anywhere from 20,000 to 2 million years old.
so what do christians and jws do to try to explain these away.
What I remember about the WT interpretation of Genisis and Creation is this.: ( 1960`s onward )
Gen.1:1 "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth" That statement stands alone , it could have happened millions of years ago .
Verse 2 onwards is confined to the preperation of the earth for humans to live on.
The 7000 years as a timespan for a creative day came about of their Bible chronology that humans since Adam have been on earth for 6000 years ending in 1975 ( previously they thought 6000 years ended in the late 1800`s )
Gods rest at the end of the 6th day ,and Jesus Christ 1000 year rule would have been appropiate to begin around 1975 , culminating in a 7000 year creative day.
P.S. Fossilised dinosaur bones have , and are , still being discovered in Queensland Australia to this day along with fossilised footprints , it is a vast project in motion....AAoD , Australian Age of Dinosaurs.
Jehovahs Witnesses are well known for having their head in the sand , as well as having their head stuck up their ( well you know where ) I was one of them .
was going through the book that is currently being studied at midweek meetings.. paragraph 18 of chapter 11 reads.... a second area of moral refinement involves themeasures taken to keep the congregation clean.
sad-ly, not all who accept jehovah’s standards of conductand dedicate themselves to god loyally stick withtheir decision.
some eventually have a change ofheart and willfully rebel against those standards.what is to be done about such ones?
"Guards would protect the Temple , evidently to prevent those who were uncircumcised in heart from entering"
"Evidently"
just going to give a little background about myself and then bring anyone who is reading this up to speed with where i am today:.
growing up in a family that was not aware of jehovah's witnesses at all, as none of my family members have had a run-in with them other than my parents, my entire life has been a mess ever since we met them.
the witnesses first came to my door when i was 12 and my dad started bringing me to meetings and we even lived with a witness family for a month when we were both homeless due to my parent's divorce.
Welcome ALPD ,the first thing to do to get your mental health in check , while its not the whole answer, is to get as far away from the JW/WT religion as fast as you can
Seek professional help , as blondie says " seek out non-profit and support groups that deal with your challenges as you will not find it with the WTS and its members"
I wish you well whatever you decide.
i just went to a pre screening of this movie about an adventist guy who didn't want to kill but joined the army as a medic on the front line.
desmond doss saved 75 men in one operation singlehanded on the island of okinawa where desmond worked lowering men down a 400ft cliff to safety.. i thought this may be of interest to jws because of the pacifist stand they also have.. the movie comes out on the 4 th november..
Thanks Nathan I will look out for it. Who is the author ? never mind i`ll find it.
with the admission of the governing body that they are neither inspired nor infallible , i am curious to know how many of you people from all around the world know of somebody ,a relative or friend , who lost their life because of following the dictates of a religion that now says they are neither inspired nor infallible.,that they now admit they make mistakes.. how many people have needlesly died having followed the jehovahs witness religions policys regarding not getting your child vaccinated against diseases ,which was the case years ago, not having organ transplants as that was considered cannilbalismm years ago ,and since the mid 1940`s the ban on jehovahs witnesses having blood transfusions.. yet somehow today you can have fractions of blood donated by non jw`s who are designated as people to be destroyed at armageddon because they follow satans system of things,.
blood that is donated by these people ,stored in a laboratory , and processed into fractions by laboratory staff and given to jehovahs witnesses with their consent.with no consequences to them for doing so.. blood is not poured out on the ground and not used for any purpose as their bible the nwt dictates.or any other bible for that matter..
With the admission of the Governing Body that they are neither inspired nor infallible , I am curious to know how many of you people from all around the world know of somebody ,a relative or friend , who lost their life because of following the dictates of a Religion that now says they are neither inspired nor infallible.,that they now admit they make mistakes.
How many people have needlesly died having followed the Jehovahs Witness religions policys regarding not getting your child vaccinated against diseases ,which was the case years ago, not having organ transplants as that was considered cannilbalismm years ago ,and since the mid 1940`s the ban on Jehovahs Witnesses having blood transfusions.
Yet somehow today you can have fractions of blood donated by non JW`s who are designated as people to be destroyed at armageddon because they follow Satans system of things,
Blood that is donated by these people ,stored in a laboratory , and processed into fractions by laboratory staff and given to Jehovahs witnesses with their consent.with no consequences to them for doing so.
Blood is not poured out on the ground and not used for any purpose as their Bible the NWT dictates.or any other Bible for that matter.
november broadcast is up:.
https://www.jw.org/download/?fileformat=mp4&output=html&pub=jwb&issue=201611.
we learn interesting things.
I just looked at the section of where the couple shun their own son and stay loyal to jehovah.If a non JW saw this video it would go way over their heads , why? because WT is very careful how they word things in this instance. .The said video gives no indication that the parents have cut off all contact with their son unless he returns to the religion of Jehovahs witnesses in fact it gives the other impression that Levi ,the son has cut off all association with his parents after leaving the household.
Which is totally false.
The average person christian or non christian would be aghast if they knew jehovahs Witnesses cut off all association with their children simply because they didnt want to be part of that religion anymore.
Can you imagine Anglicans ,Methodists ,Presbyterians ,Congregationalists , parents treating their children in such an unloving way ?
We as ex JW`s can see what this video is getting at ,but a non JW would just not get it.
I couldnt stomach to watch the rest of it ,I hope it didnt relate more to levi and his shunning.otherwise I will have to go back and watch more of this crap.
how many witnesses are aware that technically, according to watchtower policy, they can if they wish too...associate with dissociated and disfellowshipped relatives.
for all those who are dissociated or disfellowshipped, please share this with your relatives who are currently shunning you.
there is nothing the elders can do as long as they are not discussing spiritual matters.
What Elders say and what they do can be two entirely different things.They are a law unto themselves .
Do you honestly think the CO, or DO, would not back up the body of Elders over such a matter ?
Jehovahs Witnesses speak out of both sides of their mouth , it suits there purpose to do so.
i just left about six months ago and i'm going through the emotional whirlwind that comes with it.
i would really appreciate some advice on how to keep this fade from turning into my being disfellowshipped.
i'm another born in, third generation.
Welcome to the forum longgone ,just take a deep breath and think things through calmly your in no hurry to do anything ,just take things nice and easy and dont get stressed about it.
Time is on your side ,Armageddon aint coming anytime soon.
So whatever you do dont panic about it.
Think about your situation as if YOU are participating in theocratic warfare , dont feel guilty about your supposedly being deceptive , you do not want to harm your relationship with your father , so dont .
Learn how to play the game , JW , the GB, the FDS , have been playing this game for over a century.using new light as an example for excusing their false predictions ,prophecys , and expectations that was to happen.
Your dealing with a corrupt decietful lying organisation , why should you feel guilty stretching the truth a little bit to protect your relationship with your dad and anybody else you care for.
Just my 2 cents worth , I`m sure others here can be more helpful
Take care.
large article at the top of page 20 in today's - 6th november 2016 - sunday observer, the 'sister' newspaper in the uk of the guardian which only prints monday to saturday.. the national society for the prevention of cruelty to children - nspcc - is the uk's leading children's charity, specialising in child protection and are the only uk children's charity with statutory powers and that means they can take action to safeguard children at risk of abuse.. the headline in the web version is slightly different, but the rest of the article appears to be the same.
nspcc rejects plan for 'mandatory reporting' of suspected child abuse.
the government’s consultation on reporting and acting on child abuse and neglect was launched amid concerns about past abuse in some of the country’s major institutions.
"This just adds more evidence that child abuse (sexual & otherwise ) goes right to the top."
" and the top does everything (in its power ) to cover its involvement up."
Shame on those organisations that reject it.
