@Bob- yes- that's exactly the message I'm trying to portray. That blood is thicker than whatever religious opinions I or they have at any given time. Hopefully that message will break through the brainwashing.
Posts by lrkr
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12What is your status???
by lrkr inmy family and i are planning a trip to a nice vacation area close to where my (active jw) parents and sister and brother in law live.
my family and i are not df'd, da'd or anything else- we just executed a successful fade and havent looked back.
sooo- i've expressed my interest in spending some time with them on vacation (why not- right??).
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What is your status???
by lrkr inmy family and i are planning a trip to a nice vacation area close to where my (active jw) parents and sister and brother in law live.
my family and i are not df'd, da'd or anything else- we just executed a successful fade and havent looked back.
sooo- i've expressed my interest in spending some time with them on vacation (why not- right??).
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lrkr
@Mous- I really have not "seen" anything over the last few years from the Org. My only source of info is this board. I kinda like that!!
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What is your status???
by lrkr inmy family and i are planning a trip to a nice vacation area close to where my (active jw) parents and sister and brother in law live.
my family and i are not df'd, da'd or anything else- we just executed a successful fade and havent looked back.
sooo- i've expressed my interest in spending some time with them on vacation (why not- right??).
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lrkr
It is a bit of a stuggle- do you stand by your principles and oppose the organization, and do whatever the hell you want to do, and risk getting the "label"- which ends family relationships.
Or do you go quietly- and not poke the dragon. I've chosen the latter- for now....
Fortunately for me- we live far enough away that I can celebrate Christmas, vote, even run a Halloween parade for my community and no one needs to know anything. On the opposite coast- they are happy to hear that my "status" is not Dfd or DAd. But if there comes a time where there is something I really want, and I dont want the Org to have a say in what I do- I will have to make a choice between free will and maintaining a relationship with my family.
Kinda sucks. But I know that there are thousands of you out there that dont have that choice and are living with the abandonment.
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What is your status???
by lrkr inmy family and i are planning a trip to a nice vacation area close to where my (active jw) parents and sister and brother in law live.
my family and i are not df'd, da'd or anything else- we just executed a successful fade and havent looked back.
sooo- i've expressed my interest in spending some time with them on vacation (why not- right??).
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lrkr
My family and I are planning a trip to a nice vacation area close to where my (active JW) parents and sister and brother in law live. My family and I are not DF'd, DA'd or anything else- we just executed a successful fade and havent looked back. Sooo- I've expressed my interest in spending some time with them on vacation (why not- right??). The JW barriers have come up and they are now worried about me. My dad and brother have had detailed conversations with me and understand that I am an athiest. But the real question I have gotten lately is:
What is your status????? (in the organization)
I have told them that I have zero status in the organization- I'm not DFd, DAd or officially "disciplined"- just minding my own business. My dad asked me what I tell the witnesses when they come to the door. I told him that they never come to the door anymore. (he was disappointed- brothers not following that direction to reach out to inactive souls like us...)
I then assured them that my love for them is unconditional and I am always available to spend time- whatever they feel comfortable with.
But this focus on status is very annoying, and interesting. I want to tell them that my affection and love for them will never be conditioned upon their status with any organization.
Just sharing my latest "faded JW" feelings. The one annoying thing- is that I ever did bring the Borgs attention and receive an official "status" that might end my uneasy relationship with my parents and siblings. Guess I'll have thing twice before running for office!!
Anyone else have similar experiences??
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Ray Franz - is he REALLY a hero?
by baltar447 inon one hand, he's enlightnened many to the internal circle jerk that is the governing body (circa the 70s).. but if there's one reason that can be pointed to for the jws becoming full on cult, it's ray franz.
without him leaving in the manner he did, and stirring the pot, they might not have change the rule (retroatively i might add) on shunning of disassociated ones.
they specifically changed that so they could remove him and eliminate his influence.. his actions single handedly have created the situation where we have to fade, evade, leave marriages, say goodbye to family, just because we don't buy the jw bullsh!t anymore.
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At great personal cost he refused to live a lie once he discovered what it was.... That alone is heroic.
Then- he put down his thoughts in writing. His writings allowed me to eliminate every little piece of conditioning that remained in a logical manner.
Then- he responded personally to my emails when I wrote to thank him and ask for advice.
I'll go ahead and call him a hero. He helped save my life.
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Keep Seeking First God's Kingdom - RC 2014 - Saturday
by OwnAccord injehovah's help break free.. "greedy people".
but the desire to have more money, power and.
helped student.
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"historical facts of theocratic history"
HMMMMM- I think they and I have differing definitions of history.
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Keep Seeking First God's Kingdom - RC 2014 - Sunday
by OwnAccord ina world without satan (revelation 20:2,3,7,10).
romans 12- joy in the kingdom hope.
the spirit.. demonstration: family worship.
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DEMONSTRATION: Young brother with a personal struggle. Meditates on the
time in the future when his worship won't be tainted by imperfection. Is
determined to struggle and try to make adjustments.
HMMMM- no jacking off in the new system??? What a shame.
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Is The Governing Body Open To Lawsuits In Some Countries Over Enforced Shunning Of Ex Members?
by frankiespeakin inhave they crossed some sort of legal line when they enforce shunning of ex members?
can they get sued for harassment?
what are the legal boundaries they have crossed by enforce shunning of ex member by threatening disfellowshipping of any member not shunning certain individuals?
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I have given thought to what effect a typical business lawsuit might have in the case of a disfellowshipping: for defamation of character, interference with business, interference with professional reputation, etc. Does anyone think that would stick?? There are possibly real, definable financial damages (as opposed to "harrassment" and other more emotional damages)
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The official COSMOS thread
by Jon Preston inso what does everyone think this far?
please theist feel free to add your opinions if you e watched so you can also appreciate certain facts weve learned....and hey theres speculation too!
but non judgmental speculation;-).
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lrkr
I love it. The visuals on a large screen, high def tv are awesome. The cartoons are a turnoff- but the message is great.
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Millions Now Living Have Never Lived So Well
by Bob_NC inthat's right, millions now living are living during the best of times for humanity.
but aren't these critical times hard to deal with?
aren't these the last days of a dying wicked system of things.
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lrkr
This is a thesis that even non-JWs have trouble with. The world is better than it has ever been before- by all measurable metrics. The problem is that 3 major opinion makers- policians, news media and religion all have a vested interest in us hearing about the worst of our world- the most devastating, the most macabre, the most terrifying.
The actual problem that we face now is that there are no diseases, natural disasters, wars, etc that regularly kull the human population- so we are in real danger of overpopulating!!