I dont think there is Anything wrong with obeying God at all. I still obey my JW father whenever i can. Its just that in terms of "God " it Maybe that he is not what we thought He was.
chrisjoel
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Whats wrong with obeying God?
by real one inmany who post here are always talking about they don't need god and that they don't believe in god and that he dosen't exist.
god does not ask us to do unreasonable things.
most of the things he ask us to do protects our lives.. why don't people get that?
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Which is worse, Adam's sin, or God's reaction to his sin?
by Dirty Rat inwhen you look at all the pain and suffering in this world, and then wonder why god decided that mankind should pay for one man's sin, with interest on top of that, it's revolting.. no way can the added pain and suffering of billions of people equal the fault that adam did.. .
ps: this is jh .
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chrisjoel
HI ....Good to hear some logic from some ppl out here. This kind of reminds me of when in the Greek Scriptures, Paul i think it was said that God showed him creepy crawlies and he called them disgusting and unclean and then he was told stop calling disgusting what I call clean and ok that was about conversion stuff but principle is still evident.. no matter where you look in the Bible He seems to make the rules He seems to be able to make break bend any rule to HIS liking whenever he feels like it. He is God and its ok for him to do that but if WE did that ....Poof! your Dead!....Were not supposed to use our mental abilities to figure things out for ourselves and come to a logical conclusion ITS God that can and does that for us....well if thats the way it is then MAYBE ITS ALL MAKE- BELIEVE A folk story, myth, THe thing i find intresting is the amount of details that are missing from the initial story. In the begining God created the ....why not start by telling us about YOUR self? tell us where u came from right away, tell us all about yourself. But no all we get is an slip shod account of creation. ..AND personally for me as soon as I read (after being DFd.mind you) that GOD brought animals to Adam for him to choose a mate from it hit me..holy shit..this is MYTH!!!..how could he know the purpose for the earth if he didnt even know? who or what ?. to give Adam for a marriage mate.......so the whole adamic sin story is make believe for me.
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A Question For Christians..what would you do if........
by chrisjoel ingiven the chance, if we made contact with an extraterrestial life form that came to dwell among us for even a short period of time, would you preach the gospel of jesus to it with a view to possibly baptizing the "alien" into christianity?
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chrisjoel
No, it most certainly does not. The "original sin" that we know from our Bible was committed by the first human being, Adam. It affects "all mankind," that is, all the descendents of Adam. An alien from another planet, although part of God's creation, would not be descended from Adam in any way, therefore his act of original sin would have no effect on the alien race.
Your comment is exactly what i would expect a person of the Christian persuasion to say. But who speaks for Christians in todays Society..the Pope, Evangelical leaders....ect...ect...In fact the Bible is plain old theology. Isnt it? A lot of theology that NO Doubt would try to be someway forced upon the visiting alien species. How? Some one would no doubt say that they need to be saved as well!!! Paul in Colossians 1 and Ephesians 1 make it clear that the resurrection of Christ applies to all creation (".everything in the heavens and everything on earth"). It is the definitive salvation event for the cosmos. Another bit of Biblical evidence is the opening of John's Gospel, who tells us that The Word was present from the beginning; it is part and parcel of the universe.The "Word" might be "spoken" to the rest of the intelligent universe and this event would mark new territory. Laugable, yes. But still, a very very real possibility for Christainity when and IF that day ever came to face our planet. -
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A Question For Christians..what would you do if........
by chrisjoel ingiven the chance, if we made contact with an extraterrestial life form that came to dwell among us for even a short period of time, would you preach the gospel of jesus to it with a view to possibly baptizing the "alien" into christianity?
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chrisjoel
The issue is really Christian Salvation. Christians and the wide umbrella of belief in Christ that is known as "christianity" is heralded on our planet of being the only truth by which a human can be "saved", ie: through Christ as part of an organized religion or faith in Christ through an understanding of him. Since God created all creation and all creation is subject to HIM then Christians must hold that an alien intelligence(similar to ourselves) would be subject to original sin one way or another. There are many places in the Bible that say how all creation in heaven and on earth is subject to God....
Does that make sense? Can you imagine an "alien" who looks similar to us ie: humanoid looking, coming on our planet and somehow involving itself in the issue of original sin? I cant imagine that. And it makes sense to me to believe that there are civilizations out there among planets too distant from us to communicate with. Would they have their own version of evil or non sense theology ..probably so......we do! BTW (imagine IF the Bible actually said that other planets in the universes, or other intelligences existed apart from our own, and are subject to Christ as well....how foolhardy would that make the Bible seem! It would read like a book of science fiction....) ....hummm
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A Question For Christians..what would you do if........
by chrisjoel ingiven the chance, if we made contact with an extraterrestial life form that came to dwell among us for even a short period of time, would you preach the gospel of jesus to it with a view to possibly baptizing the "alien" into christianity?
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chrisjoel
Given the chance, IF we made contact with an extraterrestial life form that came to dwell among us for even a short period of time, would you preach the Gospel of Jesus to it with a view to possibly baptizing the "alien" into Christianity?
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Marcus Brigstocke rants about religion...funny stuff
by chrisjoel inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy-zrwfwlqg.
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Padre Pio's body exhumed after 40 years!
by chrisjoel inhttp://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/face-to-face--with-the--mystic-monk-1359824.html.
growing up in italian circles i often heard of padre pio's amazing life as if he was actually performing miracles ...i had heard he had the stigmata, and was privy to visions..but anyways its pretty amazing that the ppl want to see him so bad , .
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chrisjoel
his face was covered with a life-like silicone mask...yikes!
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Padre Pio's body exhumed after 40 years!
by chrisjoel inhttp://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/face-to-face--with-the--mystic-monk-1359824.html.
growing up in italian circles i often heard of padre pio's amazing life as if he was actually performing miracles ...i had heard he had the stigmata, and was privy to visions..but anyways its pretty amazing that the ppl want to see him so bad , .
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chrisjoel
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/face-to-face--with-the--mystic-monk-1359824.html
Growing up in Italian circles i often heard of Padre Pio's amazing life as if he was actually performing miracles ...i had heard he had the stigmata, and was privy to visions..but anyways Its pretty amazing that the ppl want to see him so bad ,
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Richard Dawkins Gets "Expelled" by Ben Stein!
by Perry ini just got back from seeing the new movie release "expelled" which is a documentary exposing the militant culture of supression regarding intelligent design in the scientific community.
in a "million years", i never would have imagined that ben stein could get the author of "the god delusion", richard dawkins to speak favorably about i.d.
(intellignet design).
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chrisjoel
I would like to ask a question, in all sincerity, i do not have the answer to. .....
The universe has gravity laws, motion and thermodynamics laws, and many other "laws" which if not present, the universe wouldnt function properly. So where did these laws come from? If not placed there by a "designer" then what happened so that these functions of our universe work properly? Although as concerns the Bible Im certain it is mythical, the same, however, I cannot say with regards to a Designer. I cannot say emphatically that there was NO intelligent design involved in our universe. To say that would be wrong at this point.
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What will you do when the Great Tribulation Begins?
by Malkiel ini've always wanted to ask this question to those that have decided to leave the organization.. what will you do when the great tribulation begins?.
right now folks, a lot is happening in the political world.. gordon brown (prime miniter of england) last week gave a speech to the un stating that it is time for the un to step in and solve the world's problems, (specifically mentioning the economy and hunger crisis worldwide.).
barrack obama is shaping up to be the next president, a fellow who sure knows how to persuade and lead great crowds.
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chrisjoel
Hi M
Fact: 1914 is 100% wrong period. Do some research on this privately and you will see beyond a doubt that is the case.
Fact: JWs interpretation of Mathew 24 is beyond repair. Do some research on this board or privately and you will see this to be the case.
I dont need to say anything more you need to do the research yourself. Thanks.