any comments on this here?.
the russell bloodline.
the watchtower & the illuminati.
It depends what you consider "hard evidence". Do direct quotes from US presidents and Supreme Court justices hold any water?
Ever watch Norman Mineta, a five-star general, testifying before the 911 Commission about witnessing Dick Cheney standing down on 911? It comes right up on google, I'm on Firefox right now and can't post the link.
Do you know that his testimony, and that of 79 other high ranking Government employees was thrown out because the US exercised "State Secret Privilege"?
is there salvation outside of the new covenant?.
there are a number of ways that the terms of the new covenant can be violated (and thus nullified) on the part of the recipient like:.
1. attributing salvation to someone or something other than jesus.
Book worship is a spectacle to behold. Thankfully we will never have a Bible vs. Koran-backed Third World War.
any comments on this here?.
the russell bloodline.
the watchtower & the illuminati.
I agree that this is the deep end of the conspiracy pool, but for me it was the first stage of my awakening process and it was invaluable to me once I understood that the entire world can be lied to by a few. Geez, the Bible says so and its one of the few credible things you will find in there. So, why is it so hard to believe that Satanists are running the Watchtower? Look at the subliminals, look at the Rand-Cam ties to the NWO, look at the NGO fiasco, the pedophiles.... by their fruits you will recognize them. I'm not talking about a large group of Satanists. There only needs to be a few at the top. That's how pyramids work. Probably even most of the GB have no clue who controls them, probably only the Unholy Trinity.
I doubt that any of you deny the existence of organized crime, and some of you might even know that it is controlled from the very top of governments and its links to the CIA and the Vatican. You would probably never believe that pedophilia is big business and secretly run by the Vatican. You would never believe that the CIA controls the world's drug trade and that the attack on Afghanistan had more to do with heroin than the "attack" on 911. The amount of books out there and information on this is overwhelming. And yet somehow that same organizational structure cannot possibly be present in politics and religion. You are totally ignorant to the effect of money, power and egos in this world and think everything is an accident. Now to me that would be REALLY scary if it were true.
You people who refuse to acknowledge conspiracies are entitled to your opinion, but the way you tear down and attack people who do is really judgmental and disgusting. If you want to continue believing the bullshit on FoxNews go right ahead, some of us are moving on to reality.
i've been called a "fundi" many times in my discussions with people on the board, and i'd like to know what your definition is of a "fundi".
don't google it.
i just want to hear your personal definition.. i find it interesting because i don't go to any church.
Someone who uses the Bible, which God did not give them, to do all their thinking, while forsaking their brain, which God did give them.
The main problem with that is that the Bible can rarely make a concrete decision.
i've been called a "fundi" many times in my discussions with people on the board, and i'd like to know what your definition is of a "fundi".
don't google it.
i just want to hear your personal definition.. i find it interesting because i don't go to any church.
There is a vast gulf between the actual message of Jesus and the New Testament version.
i ask because i've been posting at jwd/jwn for 10 years now.
i was a rapidly fading jw when i started but still considered myself a christian for a good few years more.
now i've embraced reason and rejected faith i'm a very happy atheist and enjoy learning more about the fact of evolution.. what about you?.
Yes, when first joined here in 2006 I was still a Bible believer and I thought I could get to the truth if I could ever wade my way through all the corruptions and figure out what it actually said. As if one's eternal salvation is dependent upon learning Hebrew and Greek and who changed what. When I go back and look at all my posts from that time I get nauseous. Silly me.
i've been called a "fundi" many times in my discussions with people on the board, and i'd like to know what your definition is of a "fundi".
don't google it.
i just want to hear your personal definition.. i find it interesting because i don't go to any church.
Brodan, I'm not making any suggestions as I really like that you post here, but just in case you want to hook up with other ex-JW fundies who feel the same way about the Bible as you do, here they are..... (I was already banned there once and very close to a second time.)
http://www.paradisecafediscussions.net/
...it says right on the front page "....keeping a tight grip on the word of life." -Philippians 2:16
i've been called a "fundi" many times in my discussions with people on the board, and i'd like to know what your definition is of a "fundi".
don't google it.
i just want to hear your personal definition.. i find it interesting because i don't go to any church.
The Book of Hebrews also states in chapter 11 that the patriarchs would eventually attain a "better resurrection". That they are "alien residents". Seems like they are away from home, searching for their real destiny. Sounds to me like being reincarnated over and over into cyclical existence until they finally reach Masterhood and ascend the hell out of here into a "city prepared for them". That might make some sense.
i've been called a "fundi" many times in my discussions with people on the board, and i'd like to know what your definition is of a "fundi".
don't google it.
i just want to hear your personal definition.. i find it interesting because i don't go to any church.
LOL, brotherdan, where did Noah get the penguins and polar bears?
How did Noah build a wooden boat that was so big, bigger than the biggest wooden sailing ship ever built, in a shape that would have caused it to crack into a million pieces as soon as the waves lifted it off the ground?
How did the fresh water creatures survive being mixed into a salty ocean?
Just a few to start out.....
is there salvation outside of the new covenant?.
there are a number of ways that the terms of the new covenant can be violated (and thus nullified) on the part of the recipient like:.
1. attributing salvation to someone or something other than jesus.
Perry said,
That's the whole point... he was shown mercy precisely because he was a son. No children of Adam starts out as a son of God.
There's a couple of things glaringly wrong with this statement. But I do understand how you could say this, coinsidering the Bible's complete contradiction of itself and the impossibility of establishing a coherent doctrine from its pages.
First of all, Jesus said that in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, you have to be like these little children. But according to certain parts of the Bible, they are not children of God yet. No, instead, let's wait until they grow up full of egos programmed into them by ignorant adults, and they become pompous, presumptous judgmental idiots, and when they fight their way past that and finally live up to whatever God's standard is for being accepted into the [Pharisee] family, then they are children of God. Is that correct?
Second, the Prodigal Son lived a totally debauched life, squandered everything, and although he was "repentant", it is obvious, because this is a parable, that this is the scene in "heaven" after the son has died and has returned to his maker. Tell me what idiot would not be repentant for a totally wicked and selfish life after he has died and is standing before his heavenly father??
