I think the question is, have they ever NOT lied.
As has been pointed out before, 'religion is a snare and a racket' may be their one true statement.
RD
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Has the Watchtower ever officially LIED?
by Dead Man Joaquin inno, i'm not here to defend them.
but you know how they love to get off on technicalities.
i'm sure all here would agree that the wt is extremely evasive, misleading, and intellectually dishonest (i.e.
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Hello everyone, first post.
by Frjprice inhello, i just wanted to introduce myself to everyone here - as i will be posting here.. i grew up a jw and pioneered, was a ministerial servant, ect, i was in the organization for 17 years.
i left and naturally my family did as they were told and cut off all communication with me.
this left a horrible taste in my mouth for not just jw's, but any religion for that matter.
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RollerDave
WELCOME!
Glad to see you here.
God Bless in your endeavors,
RD
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Damn!
Ip, you gotta stay on the HALT scale.
Never let yourself get too Hungry, Angry, Lonely, or Tired.
Ippy, man, wouldn't want to lose ya like that.
RD
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What are JW beliefs called?
by RebelWife incatholics/catholicism.
jehovah's witnesses/jehovah's witnessism?
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Well, 'Russelism' doesn't fit since The Judge tossed out everything he stodd for.
'Judgeism'?
Doesn't say enough, I mean the guy was mental!
Mental judge... Judge mental...
Judgemental ism!
Seriously, I tend to call it 'the wts mindset' or the JW worldview to other 'postates or non JW's,
I call it 'your religion' to jw's Kinda like saying 'uh, not MY religion!' but in an inverse manner.
Hmm. 'Towerthink'?
These are just the ones decent enough to share.
RD
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Of pianos and possibilities.
by RollerDave ina piano is a funny thing.. it sits in the corner, seeming to be solid, hulking, static; but it is not.. somewhere in the neighborhood of twenty tons of pressure are contained in each one, strings stretched tights by the plate, pressing down on a bridge across a soundboard; if the pressure of just a few strings were suddenly released the imbalance could fracture the huge cast iron plate in a catastrophic fashion reminiscent of a grenade.. yet, we let our children play them, bang on them, watch tv right next to them, it is a testament both to how well they are made and how little most of us truly understand about them.. when you press a key, it actuates an incredibly precise sequence that strikes a string or strings with a felt hammer just so yet it uses woof, felt, buckskin and other materials you might not associate with precision.. that old piano in the corner lives and breathes after a fashion.
the lightest change in humidity and all of its wooden bit start subtly shifting, moving, altering its pitch and regulation, yet for the desired tone, you can't use anything but wood.. this means a properly cared for piano requires service a minimum of twice yearly, and this requires a registered piano technician.. my daughter has been taking classes to be a piano technician, and what she has been bringing home has been fascinating!.
this girl is 19 and knows what she wants to do, and is on fire for this field.. she is the 'possibility' part of my post title, as she is all possibility at this time.. when she turned 18, we got her auxiliary cards on all our credit accounts, and she already had a job at target, she paid her bills, worked hard, and got offers of her own.. now she is in school and had paid in full be credit card for her courses, and got a deal through amex that gives her a better interest rate than student loans.. her school had a couple pianos, she had another card, she charged 'em.
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The school is the Mn School of Piano Technology run by Mr Gregg Gavin, A fellow with an excellent reputation locally.
Gavin is a bit of a smooth talker, and that always raises my hackles just a bit, bit he delivers and doesn't mislead, so it's all good.
Ang might be on later to comment now that I have broached the subject, who knows.
Thanks all for your encouragement,
RD
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Of pianos and possibilities.
by RollerDave ina piano is a funny thing.. it sits in the corner, seeming to be solid, hulking, static; but it is not.. somewhere in the neighborhood of twenty tons of pressure are contained in each one, strings stretched tights by the plate, pressing down on a bridge across a soundboard; if the pressure of just a few strings were suddenly released the imbalance could fracture the huge cast iron plate in a catastrophic fashion reminiscent of a grenade.. yet, we let our children play them, bang on them, watch tv right next to them, it is a testament both to how well they are made and how little most of us truly understand about them.. when you press a key, it actuates an incredibly precise sequence that strikes a string or strings with a felt hammer just so yet it uses woof, felt, buckskin and other materials you might not associate with precision.. that old piano in the corner lives and breathes after a fashion.
the lightest change in humidity and all of its wooden bit start subtly shifting, moving, altering its pitch and regulation, yet for the desired tone, you can't use anything but wood.. this means a properly cared for piano requires service a minimum of twice yearly, and this requires a registered piano technician.. my daughter has been taking classes to be a piano technician, and what she has been bringing home has been fascinating!.
this girl is 19 and knows what she wants to do, and is on fire for this field.. she is the 'possibility' part of my post title, as she is all possibility at this time.. when she turned 18, we got her auxiliary cards on all our credit accounts, and she already had a job at target, she paid her bills, worked hard, and got offers of her own.. now she is in school and had paid in full be credit card for her courses, and got a deal through amex that gives her a better interest rate than student loans.. her school had a couple pianos, she had another card, she charged 'em.
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A piano is a funny thing.
It sits in the corner, seeming to be solid, hulking, static; but it is not.
Somewhere in the neighborhood of twenty tons of pressure are contained in each one, strings stretched tights by the plate, pressing down on a bridge across a soundboard; If the pressure of just a few strings were suddenly released the imbalance could fracture the huge cast iron plate in a catastrophic fashion reminiscent of a grenade.
Yet, we let our children play them, bang on them, watch TV right next to them, it is a testament both to how well they are made and how little most of us truly understand about them.
When you press a key, it actuates an incredibly precise sequence that strikes a string or strings with a felt hammer just so yet it uses woof, felt, buckskin and other materials you might not associate with precision.
That old piano in the corner lives and breathes after a fashion. The lightest change in humidity and all of its wooden bit start subtly shifting, moving, altering its pitch and regulation, yet for the desired tone, you can't use anything but wood.
This means a properly cared for piano requires service a minimum of twice yearly, and this requires a registered piano technician.
My daughter has been taking classes to be a piano technician, and what she has been bringing home has been fascinating!
This girl is 19 and knows what she wants to do, and is ON FIRE for this field.
She is the 'possibility' part of my post title, as she is all possibility at this time.
When she turned 18, we got her auxiliary cards on all our credit accounts, and she already had a job at Target, she paid her bills, worked hard, and got offers of her own.
Now she is in school and had paid in full be credit card for her courses, and got a deal through AmEx that gives her a better interest rate than student loans.
Her school had a couple pianos, she had another card, she charged 'em. Ridiculous low price she paid, she will use 'em for practice, refurb 'em, and sell 'em for more.
Smart girl.
This really old fellow, 95 years old, is retiring from piano tuning so he offered his tools up for sale.
Another card had enough, she brought 'em home. We priced 'em in the schaff catalog, they would cost twice what she paid.
I really have a good feeling about this, I really think she can make it. I was a little worried when she wasn't the slightest bit interested in the family business, but this is good too.
Pianos are kinda like cars, immense destructive energy channeled into something constructive, intricate workings most either do not completely understand or couldn't safely tinker with, yet when it all works it can be a thing of beauty.
This is a good field, she's ambitious, talented, and smart.
I think she will excel because when you do what you love, you never have to "work" a day in your life, you get paid for fun.
I'm a happy dad.
RD
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Goodbye for now...
by R.F. inhello all.. first of all i wanted to say thank you for all the help i've received from you all in recent months.
my life has changed completed in such a short amount of time, and some of the things that have happened recently have finally just "hit" me as of late.
i definitely need to take more time to just stop and think, actually accept the changes, and adjust.
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Dude,
You gotta do what you gotta do for your recovery.
I only hope you will be able to come back later and stand by our side to help those who are still striving to get free, but I think you will eventually do that, you just need some time.
Kewl
Miss your updates, I've enjoyed them.
I am but a PM away if you need anything.
RD
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Why is Talking to a Witness so Hard?
by Perry inhere's my take for one of the reasons: jw's perceive anyone who asks the wrong questions as a hater of jehovah and a persecuter.
they think jesus had them in mind here: .
john 17: 14. i have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as i am not of the world.
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RollerDave
So many awesome points!
I agree with so much!
Yes, they get a 'payoff' with the 'hate fix' and are conditioned,
But one must not forget that even the most trivial conversation is almost impossible with these people without their religion coming up. It's designed that way to keep them seperate.
They have their own vocabulary, shared alternative reality, and perverted value system; and are so mind-controlled that they are self-policing.
Any conversation will trigger one of these, or the above mentioned "hate-validation mechanism"
If they were easy to talk to, you could show them reason, and if they saw reason they would be out.
No wonder the WTS keeps them so touchy.
RD
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Rare books by "John H. Paton"--PDFs!
by Atlantis inrare books by john h. paton--pdfs!
here are some rare books by "john h. paton" which (day dawn), were books that charles russell based his "millennial dawn" books on, and some other books by paton.
click the (yellow) download button at the bottom left of the next page of the (filesend) links.
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RollerDave
AWESOME!
For all you do, day in, day out,
Scanning, making pdf's, managing the various download sites you need, and then posting,
THANK YOU.
I've downloaded countless gems from your posts, yet have been remiss in that I don't think I have ever properly thanked you.
I am very glad to have rectified that oversight.
Thank you.
RD
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Roller's back in town!
by RollerDave inthe beer's not cold yet, and here i am typing away.. this is a long one, but if you like my stories, that's good.
if you don't, there's always that 'back button'.
it's not too late to escape.... lol.
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my fellow Minnepostates,
I sure would like to join you guys, and plan to, but have been unable to for good reason.
I've only lately had the scooter, AND the means to load/unload by my lonesome and the improved physical condition to do so.
For the previous 9 years or so, I've only had real independence within scooter range of my home, or the ability to sit in my vehicle outside any store I want, but not go in.
I went most places in my manual chair, which means needing a pusher, and there are only two people in the world I trust to push me.
Kinda self limiting.
But the pieces have been falling in place for me to be able to just decide to go somewhere because I want to and not ask any by-your-leave of anybody.
When is the next one?
RD