Posts by Amyfa

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Worshiping the cross

by Amyfa in

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there is a poster on here called reniaa and she has said a few times that we worship the cross.

i know i don't and know my family don't.

so i decided to look into it to find out if what she is saying is true.

There is a poster on here called reniaa and she has said a few times that we worship the cross. I know I don't and know my family don't. So I decided to look into it to find out if what she is saying is true.

I asked between 40 and 50 people who I know are Christians and they all said NO why would anyone worship a cross, what can a piece of wood or metal do for us, why would we worship it, how can you pray to a cross.

Is this something the watchtower tells their followers we do?

I had never heard of worshiping the cross until Reniaa kept saying it's what we do.

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

Amyfa

I have found this quite interesting reading and have my own reason for believing Jesus is God.

One day a person comes up to you and says here read this book and decide what God you want.
The book is divided into 2 parts so you start reading the first part it starts of really nice telling us how the world was created. You start thinking what a nice person this God is (we find out later in the second part of the book who he really is) You carry on reading and after a while you start to read about this God killing everyone apart from 8 people and all the animals. So he almost starts again but people won’t worship him so he has them killed. Just because he can. You read that millions were killed. This God by the way is called Jehovah. This God wants and demands worship. As people had free will they wanted to do as they wished and not follow laws set by this God.

Then we go onto the second part of the book and the God we find here is different from the other God. This God only has 2 commandments and they are about love he tells us to forgive people and not to judge them. He tells us to forgive them over and over again. He wants us to love one another. The name of this God is Jesus and it was through him all things were made. This God did lots of wonderful things because of love. This God then died for us not just for me but for everyone of us. So our sins could be forgiven.

Now I believe that the God in the first part of the book did not really understand us humans so he had to empty himself of everything apart from Love and come down to live as one of us. Then he could see we needed guidance, love and understanding. Not to be bullied into worshiping him.

If you had to choose which God was the best who would you chose

As a Christian I know Jesus is my saviour

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MY PROJECT IS (FINALLY) FINISHED!

by Mary in

for those of you who are interested, the project i've been working on for the last few months is finally finished.

i originally did a thread about it back in april: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/156497/1.ashx.

it seems that alot of us still have family members in the religion and have not infrequent arguments with them about some of the beliefs and practices.

Amyfa

Thank you Mary

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jesus denies being God! scriptural discussion.

by reniaa in

i thought after recently reading the bible i would put up for disussion some recent scriptures up which for me show that jesus never viewed himself as god and anyone listening would also see it this way too.. first mark 10 :17-20.

17as jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him.

"good teacher," he asked, "what must i do to inherit eternal life?

Amyfa

If Reniaa is not already back as a JW. Then maybe, just maybe she is trying so hard to make what the watchtower tell her to believe true. She must be having strong doubts in her mind that they are wrong or she would just believe it and not worry about what anyone else thinks.

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Is it the JW's or the God of the bible you no longer believe?

by reniaa in

i have a question for the ex-jw's on this forum after months of reading the forum..... many say how good it is to be free of the oppressiveness of the jw's that they can now enjoy the freedom to... have sex, celebrate christmas, gamble, embrace politics etc.

there are still biblical scriptures and principles in place that if you still followed the bible would mean you avoid these things and yet these are now embraced as one of the perks of no longer being a jw so in my confusion i ask.... if these are what you want, isn't it more correct to say you no longer follow the bible as apposed to just the jw's?.

Amyfa

I am a Christian I have never idolized a cross I dont know any Christians that do either.

I think it's just something the watchtower tell you will do.

I have seen tie pins, rings and other jewlery for sale with the watchtower on, does that mean all JW's idolize the watchtower?

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Is it the JW's or the God of the bible you no longer believe?

by reniaa in

i have a question for the ex-jw's on this forum after months of reading the forum..... many say how good it is to be free of the oppressiveness of the jw's that they can now enjoy the freedom to... have sex, celebrate christmas, gamble, embrace politics etc.

there are still biblical scriptures and principles in place that if you still followed the bible would mean you avoid these things and yet these are now embraced as one of the perks of no longer being a jw so in my confusion i ask.... if these are what you want, isn't it more correct to say you no longer follow the bible as apposed to just the jw's?.

Amyfa

I have always recieved gifts all year round. My grandmother who is non Christian always got me a "little something" when ever she went shopping, my parents who are Christian gave/give me presents all the time as well, but the things I remember most have been the birthday parties and big family Christmas get togethers.

I don't see any harm in Being made to feel special for one day a year. It's not a form of worship.

My friend tries to tell me he dont celebrate christmas or his birthday but around the time of those events he gets presents, so I always say that was a nice present for your mum to buy for your birthday/Christmas. He can make out all he likes that he dont celebrate them but he does really and I think a lot of JW's celebrate them as well. They just do it with the door shut lol

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Is it the JW's or the God of the bible you no longer believe?

by reniaa in

i have a question for the ex-jw's on this forum after months of reading the forum..... many say how good it is to be free of the oppressiveness of the jw's that they can now enjoy the freedom to... have sex, celebrate christmas, gamble, embrace politics etc.

there are still biblical scriptures and principles in place that if you still followed the bible would mean you avoid these things and yet these are now embraced as one of the perks of no longer being a jw so in my confusion i ask.... if these are what you want, isn't it more correct to say you no longer follow the bible as apposed to just the jw's?.

Amyfa

I know weddings are in the bible but I can't remember seeing anniversaries being celebrated mentioned in there.
So if its not mentioned in there and anniversaries are celebrated then the anniversary of your birth can be celebrated as well.
Makes sense to me.

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Is it the JW's or the God of the bible you no longer believe?

by reniaa in

i have a question for the ex-jw's on this forum after months of reading the forum..... many say how good it is to be free of the oppressiveness of the jw's that they can now enjoy the freedom to... have sex, celebrate christmas, gamble, embrace politics etc.

there are still biblical scriptures and principles in place that if you still followed the bible would mean you avoid these things and yet these are now embraced as one of the perks of no longer being a jw so in my confusion i ask.... if these are what you want, isn't it more correct to say you no longer follow the bible as apposed to just the jw's?.

Amyfa

You can not say celebrating Christmas is the same as

"smoking, shooting, running around the streets painted blue screaming "Come on you reds"

But what you are saying by your silence is that it's not in the bible saying we can't celebrate Christmas, so its up to each person how they want to celebrate something so wonderful as the birth of Jesus, without Jesus there would be no christianity.

Another thing I have said to my friend is that if Mr Russell came back today he would have to start a new religion as he would not know the JW's. When he died Christmas, birthdays, smoking, the cross and a host of other things were what he preached.

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Is it the JW's or the God of the bible you no longer believe?

by reniaa in

i have a question for the ex-jw's on this forum after months of reading the forum..... many say how good it is to be free of the oppressiveness of the jw's that they can now enjoy the freedom to... have sex, celebrate christmas, gamble, embrace politics etc.

there are still biblical scriptures and principles in place that if you still followed the bible would mean you avoid these things and yet these are now embraced as one of the perks of no longer being a jw so in my confusion i ask.... if these are what you want, isn't it more correct to say you no longer follow the bible as apposed to just the jw's?.

Amyfa

I have never been a JW never going to be one but I have a friend who is one. The question I ask him but never get an answer for is

Show me in the bible where it says I CAN'T celebrate Christmas or Birthdays.

So maybe you can show me in the bible where it says these things. Not just a watchtower take on why they say you can't celebrate them.

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What will you do when the Great Tribulation Begins?

by Malkiel in

i've always wanted to ask this question to those that have decided to leave the organization.. what will you do when the great tribulation begins?.

right now folks, a lot is happening in the political world.. gordon brown (prime miniter of england) last week gave a speech to the un stating that it is time for the un to step in and solve the world's problems, (specifically mentioning the economy and hunger crisis worldwide.).

barrack obama is shaping up to be the next president, a fellow who sure knows how to persuade and lead great crowds.

Amyfa

I am going to heaven. What it's going to be like when I get there I have no idea.

I believe your own personal world will come to an end when you die.

Maybe there will be a big A or maybe there wont.
I am not scared to die I have come close to death a few times in my short life so far.

You have to live every day as if its your last day, but plan to live forever.