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  Journalistic report from the inside

  by StephaneLaliberte in

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  i am presently fading out, and yesterday, the thought occurred to me as to make some sort of journalistic report from the inside.

  what i mean is that when you stop and really listen to the type of things the jehovahs witnesses say to one another, i am convince that the population at large would be appalled by what these friendly people actually think when they go door to door.. and while fading out, that would be the perfect time to wear a wire, lets say for a year or so, and then, make a documentary about it.

  of course, for this to work, one would have to be very specific and say names.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  I would likely go with a news team somewhere and try to find out what I could be done. It wouldn't be the first documentary to use hidden camera. If its legal for them, why wouldn't it be legal for us against the JWs?
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  Journalistic report from the inside

  by StephaneLaliberte in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am presently fading out, and yesterday, the thought occurred to me as to make some sort of journalistic report from the inside.

  what i mean is that when you stop and really listen to the type of things the jehovahs witnesses say to one another, i am convince that the population at large would be appalled by what these friendly people actually think when they go door to door.. and while fading out, that would be the perfect time to wear a wire, lets say for a year or so, and then, make a documentary about it.

  of course, for this to work, one would have to be very specific and say names.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  I am presently fading out, and yesterday, the thought occurred to me as to make some sort of journalistic report from the inside. What I mean is that when you stop and really listen to the type of things the Jehovah’s witnesses say to one another, I am convince that the population at large would be appalled by what these friendly people actually think when they go door to door.

  And while fading out, that would be the perfect time to wear a wire, let’s say for a year or so, and then, make a documentary about it. Of course, for this to work, one would have to be very specific and say names. For example: Brother Smith said on July 13 th while in service that “Without Jehovah’s organization, we are condemned to eternal destruction”.

  There are so many things that are said casually that I am convinced that if anyone wore a wire, they would catch a great deal of unbelievable quotes that would put the JW in a serious predicament.

  Of course, this could be seen as being traitorous, but when you consider that once someone is out of the org, he is considered like “pigs going back to their own vomit”, then, I think of this as a pre-emptive strike.

  My personal dilemma is: I will definitely lose my family if I do this. Is there anyone out there with nothing to lose?
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  Sadly, fading is bad for my marriage

  by stillin in

  1. watchtower
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  while headship has always been a problem in my marriage, partly because i'm more of a team player and my wife has man issues, now that i'm clearly fading my wife feels that i have nothing of worth to say.. i resist the idea of divorce but this is not much of a marriage.

  since she doesn't/ can't hold down a job alimony would be ridiculously expensive.

  cheaper to keep her, as they say.. i get zero cooperation or even discussion for any adjustments i feel might be in order for us as we grow older: obabmacare?

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Hey Stillin,

  Sorry to hear about your situation. Hang in there man. Even if JW are setup to pressure you out of your marriage, just keep in mind that a marriage is sacred – for better or worst. Right now, its in the “worst”. But with patience, it could get better. Of course, if your unhappy years after years, then, yeah... well, at least you tried.

  I lived a similar situation years ago and my wife slowly awoke as she would hear and see things in the org that would confirm some of the things I told her before.

  Now however, I must confess that still being – in – the org is not easy. We are both awakened about TTATT and feel obligated to remain JW due to our family. Of course, we don’t go often and the result is peer pressure pushed behind the best intentions. This is causing a massive amount of stress. So, of course, this resents in my marriage. But like other things, I’m confident we’ll pull through. Yet, the stress is significant.

  So, all this to say: give it time, don’t give up. You may get back the women you fell in love with.
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  Is everyone required to be enrolled in the theocratic ministry school?

  by hoser in

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  can a publisher "drop out" and still be in good standing?.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Un-listing from that school has been part of my “Fade out” strategy. I happen to be a good speaker and that brought too much heat in that the elders keep dreaming about me making progress. So, as I no longer do school parts and meaningful comments, I hope they’ll slowly forget about me.
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  Anyone Celebrating Halloween this Year???

  by cognac in

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  i started yesterday.

  took the kids (they were both princesses) and my nephew to 3 different events.

  got tons of candy and the kids had a blast.. .

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Though I respect everyone’s right to celebrate the holiday, I personally won’t let my kids celebrate it. Mainly for the following two reasons:

  1. It originates from a pagan holiday
  2. it involves spirits, ghosts, scaring people, and enjoying violence

  The idea of celebrating as a family around such a theme goes against the morals I am trying to bring to my kids. I don’t mind for them to get a custom and eat candies. But no way they’ll go door to door and curve up pumpkins.

  Still, I have to be honest and admit that one of my favorite thing about the holiday is the Simpsons tree house or horror. So, I’m no saint, but to actually push it as something to celebrate together as a family?? I’ll pass.
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  How I recently handled JWs at my door

  by Christian guy in

  1. watchtower
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  the jws stopped by my house a couple weeks ago on a saturday morning.

  i knew that with others most likely waiting for them out in the car they probably did not then have much time to engage in any serious conversation.

  so i let them talk while i feigned interest in what they had to say.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Very interesting Christian Guy. That being said, though I believe many things you have said do indeed make sense, I strongly doubt on the accuracy and on actually shaking the faith of these witnesses. Here is why:

  The JW are actually preaching, what they believe to be, the benefits of the Good News. That is, eternal life (in heaven and mostly on earth). These benefits, in their theology, are a result of Jesus’ sacrificial death and resurrection – which is the good news. Therefore, they indirectly preach the good news. The only thing however is that when you ask anyone that is not a JW what the JW preach about, they will tell you that they preach Armageddon brought about by their God Jehovah. Therefore, in reality, one could argue that the message they spread is not the good news.

  As for the Mathew 24:14, some bible translation do render “Good news of the kingdom” as “Good news about the Kingdom”. That being said, I agree with your definition of the kingdom and I do believe that the Good news of the kingdom is about the hope for people.

  As for ONE hope, well, I believe that hope is “forgiveness of our sins and therefore, a resurrection for the dead.” Where? I don’t care. Either way, I’ll be happy.
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  New Understanding of this Generation

  by pronomono in

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  another tidbit of information about this generation from the 1/15/2014 study edition under "let your kingdom come - but when?".

  they've changed it again.. this generation will not pass away14-16.

  what is a third reason for believing that gods kingdom will come soon?.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  I just thought of the fact that this new understanding makes the increase in number of the partakers irrelevant. Actually, we should rely on the 8 000 or so who partook about 3 years ago. Now, correct me if I’m wrong, but 8 000 is not much. The society could easily run a small internal survey and get to know the exact number of people who professed to be anointed back in the 70s or 80s. I’m sure that number is very low.
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  New Understanding of this Generation

  by pronomono in

  1. watchtower
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  another tidbit of information about this generation from the 1/15/2014 study edition under "let your kingdom come - but when?".

  they've changed it again.. this generation will not pass away14-16.

  what is a third reason for believing that gods kingdom will come soon?.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Oppostate: The problem with the exemple you provide is that the Freddy lived exceptionaly old and correct me if Im wrong, but I don't believe that any 18 years old ever claimed to be anoited back in the 1960s or 70s. For this thing to work, you have to think of averages and not exceptions.
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  New Understanding of this Generation

  by pronomono in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  another tidbit of information about this generation from the 1/15/2014 study edition under "let your kingdom come - but when?".

  they've changed it again.. this generation will not pass away14-16.

  what is a third reason for believing that gods kingdom will come soon?.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Based on the understanding promoted in the WT, 2022 is just about as late as Armageddon could happen. Here is why:

  1. Back in 1914, everyone baptized was automatically anointed.
  2. You could be baptized at around 15 back then.
  3. In the 60s and 70s, you had to be old to be anointed. Remember, at the time, the door was understood to be closed in 1935. We also know that any replacements for an unfaithful anointed had to be old, almost the same age as the other anointed from the 1914 generation, otherwise, he had no privileges and was frowned upon. So, let’s go crazy and pretend a 30 years old back then exclaimed that he was anointed and still managed to be respected.
  4. The 1914 group had an average life expectancy of 73 years.
  5. The second group had an average life expectancy of 80 years,
  6. Since Jesus said “this generation”, he spoke of them as a group and therefore, calculations should include most of them, not individual exceptions. This is why average are actually necessary.

  Considering the above, members of the first group were born before 1899 and passed away before or in 1972. Members in the second group were born before 1942 and can expect to live up to 2022.
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  How many have read 'Crisis of Conscience'?

  by tornapart in

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  for me it was the book!

  it opened my eyes.

  i started it thinking it would just enlighten me about how the organisation works.

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  I did and I loved it.