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  Mentally Diseased - is it partly our fault that we got this label?

  by cappytan in

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  i was thinking about this the other day.. a common way for apostates to "fade" is to pretend to have depression or anxiety problems.. is it possible, that when apostates become known, the elders report to the society that said person was undergoing mental health problems?

  i can see a scenario where the society then took those statistics that were reported and just decided, "well, it looks like the only ones leaving are those with mental diseases.".

  oh, and not to mention the subliminal messages conspiracy theorists.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  I find this topic very interesting. I didn’t want to go to the meetings anymore, so I told the elders that I had to work all the time. Now that I am completely inactive, they are probably assuming that it is because I worked all the time that I have left while in fact, it is the other way around.

  Same thing with my wife, she told them she was sick. Though that was also true, she was not sick to the extent of missing every meetings for months. So now, elders are thinking that she became inactive due to missing meetings while it’s the other way around.

  If they actually stopped to think about it a little, they would understand that many are leaving based on the teachings. However, since no one is allowed to question these, we all say what they expect and feed into the wrong theories: If you don’t study the bible, don't study the watchtower publication, don’t go in field service, don’t pray, don’t go to meetings or don’t associate with your brothers and sisters, YOU WILL FALL.

  In fact, it is the other way around. It is because of things found in the bible, in the watchtowers, the erroneous teachings pushed in field service, the unanswered prayers, the abrasive teachings at the meetings and the lack of love from the brothers and sisters, that we have chosen to leave the JW.

  We have done exactly what they told us to do. And because of these things, we have left. And because they don't want to hear it, we have to say that we are sick or working all the time to shut them up. Pathetic.
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  Now Even JW Men Are Going To Die At The Big A

  by OneFingerSalute in

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  so this weekend there was a part about not following jesus at a distance.

  the speaker made a big point of stating that any baptized jw male who was not either appointed ms/elder, or at the very least "reaching out" actively, was in fact following jesus at a distance.

  he said that the only way to live through the big a was to follow jesus closely.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  I wish you had a recording of that manure.
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  2015 Regional Convention Anthony Morris Governing Body encourages coerced baptism of unwilling children ...again

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  this is from the last talk of the convention ......... clip 1:30 minutes longhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrej8tlyiso&feature=youtu.be.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  And if one of their kids was to commit a crime, even if they were old enough to drive, they would do everything they could to get them judged in a juvenile court. Oh the irony!
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  Jehovah's Witnesses 2015 Regional Convention Saturday PM experience parents shunning children

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  clip 3 minutes long.

  ron and brenda sutton ................warwick 3 children

  it was the missed association with family that brought them back.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Lately, I have the feeling that my dad is avoiding me. He does not want to tell me that he needs to shun me as he is, has been, unable to explain this using his bible and arguments provided by the watchtower.

  He often talks fondly about his own mother and I wonder what he would have thought of her if she had shunned him for leaving the Catholics. I wonder if he ever asked himself that question.
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  JESUS COMING

  by disillusioned 2 in

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  i'm confused.

  reading the day's text for yesterday, they talk about jesus coming and that it is a future time after the great tribulation.

  i thought they have always said he came in 1914 and earlier at other times (russell).. .

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Yeah, somehow, it makes a lot of sense for them to say that there are two comings while the scriptures actually talks about one.
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  New June broadcast is out.....oh what joys will be unleashed on everyone?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  anyone watched the june broadcast?.

  i can't be stuffed.....but i'm interested in any wtf content.....

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Hummm, Avangers or "What is true love"....of course the kids are hard to impress.
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  Another "damned if they do/don't" Thread & the Perpetual Motion Machine

  by DarioKehl in

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  a few days ago, a jw apologist posted a thread with a similar title.

  although he was defending their behavior, i've observed this cycle as well.

  i have a different spin on it, though.. how often do you see posts from people who are upset that "no one even bothers to check in on me," only to read as many threads about "they keep calling & texting--why won't they leave me alone?

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  StephaneLaliberte

  Not too many people have come to see me and I made sure that it would be that way too.

  I was very clear with people that were close to me and told them that I would not tell them why I stopped going to the meetings. However, that I could tell them that it was not depression, too much work, health related, someone in the congregation, lack of energy or even any problem of any kind in my personal life.

  You can be sure that such a statement has been running around in the congregation and they all know what the issue truly is, but no one wants to face it : Its a problem with the teachings.

  As I have the reputation of having "an above average" biblical/history/spiritual knowledge, no one wants to go into a debate with me and thus, they leave me alone. And I like it that way.
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  Return to Jehovah Photo

  by naazira in

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  this picture is in the new publication from this year's convention, titled "return to jehovah".

  part 1the lost one i will search for.

  personally, the animal looks scared of the shepherd.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  This is a reverse psychology threat: If you do not stay inside the JW, you will get alone, lost, scared and in need.
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  "We can't even talk with you anymore! You react very abruptly"

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  so that was the line used by an elder the other day to me!.

  he implied that i react badly when spoken to by the elders.. i corrected him and said: "no, i'm always happy to have a conversation.

  but what you seem to be implying is that unless i sit and accept and take everything you say, then i am being defensive?

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  StephaneLaliberte

  The best advice I can give you, if you want to go down that path is to asks questions and appear, for the very least, very interested in their thoughts. You can also make it personal. For instance,

  How do you personally feel brother Elder about ... a taboo subject...

  You would be surprised how many elders have a split personality disorder. They, like most people, have personal thoughts of their own that are not inline with the watchtower. However, when they are wearing their Elder hat, they suppress those away and answer anything as if they were watchtower articles themselves.

  If you keep bringing them back to their personal views, such Elders will be conflicted, and most likely, at the end of some time, will saying something like: "it doesn't matter what I personally think." That is when you'll have them in your corner. You can than say:
  

  "Then why does it matter what I think? If you are not free to express your personal conscience, then why would you seek out the details of mine. Like you, I would like to keep it private and like you, I believe I have the right to do so."
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  Deceiving statements in The Watchtower (Study Edition) September 2015

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
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  on page 9, paragraph 7:.

  neither a branch office nor the local congregation elders are authorized to make health-care decisions for a witness, even if he asks what to do.

  (gal.

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  StephaneLaliberte

  The world promotes higher education and advanced learning. Yet, the experience of many shows that pursuing such things often leads to loss of faith and loss of love for God.

  What many do not realize is that the faith of those students has been lost before going to University, not because. If it had not, they would have avoided University in the first place, trusting that Jehovah would make a way for them through an alternative path.