I agree that connecting this directly to the society is supposition... This is why I posted this story. If this scenario rings a bell with others, we'll know there is something from the top going on...
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An Elder tried to steel and inheritance: Stays an elder!
by StephaneLaliberte inthis is the story of a woman, who’s mother became a jehovah’s witness in 1985. unfortunately, religion became a very hot topic in the family and the mother lost contact with most of her family.
the situation was so bad that the family believed that it was the jehovah’s witnesses that completely prohibited her from contacting her family.. years went by and all remained the same until 2008; the jw mother became sick, very sick.
as she felt that she could even die, she renewed ties with her only daughter.
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An Elder tried to steel and inheritance: Stays an elder!
by StephaneLaliberte inthis is the story of a woman, who’s mother became a jehovah’s witness in 1985. unfortunately, religion became a very hot topic in the family and the mother lost contact with most of her family.
the situation was so bad that the family believed that it was the jehovah’s witnesses that completely prohibited her from contacting her family.. years went by and all remained the same until 2008; the jw mother became sick, very sick.
as she felt that she could even die, she renewed ties with her only daughter.
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StephaneLaliberte
This is the story of a woman, who’s mother became a Jehovah’s Witness in 1985. Unfortunately, religion became a very hot topic in the family and the mother lost contact with most of her family. The situation was so bad that the family believed that it was the Jehovah’s Witnesses that completely prohibited her from contacting her family.
Years went by and all remained the same until 2008; the JW mother became sick, very sick. As she felt that she could even die, she renewed ties with her only daughter. Overwhelmed by guilt, she decided to make a will naming her daughter the sole beneficiary of her estate (basically, her house worth about 300,000$).
From then on, the mother kept a relationship with her daughter, calling her, inviting her for super with her husband, etc. Yet, the daughter felt that the JW members were pressuring her mother not to keep contact with her. For instance, she reported that while being there for super one day, JWs came at her mother’s door. The mother asked her and her husband not to say a word so that JWs wouldn’t be aware of their presence. Hence, she believed that her mother was seeing her in secret and that JWs were not aware of the fact they had started to see each other again.
Then, 2015 came. The mother fell sick again. Very sick. She got to the hospital and was placed under medicine. Unable to contact her daughter, the daughter never got to know that her mother was in the hospital. Within a week, she was gone. Some more time passes and finally, the daughter gets a call from her uncle who informs her that her mother has passed away. She was shocked! She had seen her mother only two weeks ago! The daughter then goes to the hospital in order to deal with the normal proceedings of when a loved one passes away. Once at the hospital, she asks to see her mother and is than informed that an Elder from the local JW congregation has taken the body and told the hospital that the mother had no family.
Shocked by hearing this, she went to the house of her mother and realized that her key no longer worked; the locks had been changed! Outraged, she calls the police and finally learns that the Elder had made her mother sign a will where he took ownership of everything.
As she would later learn through the testimony of another brother who was there at the time, the mother was heavily sedated and was told that these papers were simple funeral proceedings, not a new will where the Elder and his wife were the sole beneficiary!
She asked to at least go in the house and go through her mother’s personal belongings, yet the Elder refused.
Grieve stricken, she went to the funeral. There, she felt unwelcome, unwanted and was shocked that her name was not even mentioned during the eulogy. As she had no say on the body of her own mother, the mother was incinerated and her hashes were scattered somewhere, against her daughter’s wishes.
Then, started the court processes. The Elder offered the daughter and her husband 5 000$ to settle. As the refused, both camps hired lawyers, until, finally, a year later, there was an out of court agreement: The elder had to give the house and the empty urn back. And particularly odd, this agreement was NOT stricken by a non-disclosure agreement. This explain why everything above, written in court papers by the respective lawyers and witnesses, became public and reported by the local newspapers.
Still, I had to go a little further: What happened to the brother? Naturally, I would have expected him to lose his privileges. Here is what was reported to me: He told the local Elders that he had intended to give everything to the Society and that this whole story had been blown out of proportions. Result? He was transferred to another congregation where he now serves as an elder.
Now why. Why would he not lose his privileges when even a brother was there to testify that the sick and heavily sedated mother signed papers falsely presented to her? Here is what I believed happened:
The brother asked the sister if she wanted to give everything to Jehovah. She said yes. He calls bethel and asked them to send a lawyer to make a new will. They ask if she is heavily sedated (they have previously lost a similar case). He says yes. “The society cannot venture in this… However, if you feel you can take this risk and then give everything the Jehovah, we’ll help you out!” Sure! Society helps him make the papers and then, after a year, when everything fails… “Well, obviously, you can’t remain an Elder in your congregation; there were way to much said in the newspapers about all this. Still, you acted under our direction, so we’ll keep you an elder and transfer you to another congregation.”
Interview with the dauther and her husband: http://www.tvanouvelles.ca/2016/05/25/elle-recupere-lheritage-de-300-000-de-sa-mere-vole-par-les-temoins-de-jehovah
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I've been found out!
by pale.emperor inwell, thats it folks.. my identity on here has been rumbled and reported to the elders.
someone, somehow, has figured out that im a member of this site and - rather than speak to me - has promptly reported me to the elders.
i just feel sad for my daughter.
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StephaneLaliberte
I'll PM you with a solution that will work unless you straight up confessed to him. I just hope you haven't done that yet.
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Simon: What happens when you can no longer support this site?
by StephaneLaliberte inhey simon, .
the recent closure of jwr made me realize that this site may not be eternal as well.
a great deal of people attach a lot of importance to xjw communities and yours is the best.
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StephaneLaliberte
From what I read, you are on the right path. I believe that forums do occupy an important space that Facebook and other social media don't cover properly. So, keep it up!
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Simon: What happens when you can no longer support this site?
by StephaneLaliberte inhey simon, .
the recent closure of jwr made me realize that this site may not be eternal as well.
a great deal of people attach a lot of importance to xjw communities and yours is the best.
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StephaneLaliberte
SlimboyFat, very happy to hear that!
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Simon: What happens when you can no longer support this site?
by StephaneLaliberte inhey simon, .
the recent closure of jwr made me realize that this site may not be eternal as well.
a great deal of people attach a lot of importance to xjw communities and yours is the best.
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Message from Designer Stubble to the former JWR members
by Designer Stubble inmessage from designer stubble to the former jwr members.
first of all i am glad to see that many of you have found your way to this great forum, facilitated by simon.
i am sure that after the dust of the jwr shutdown has settled, you will find this to be a good new home.. i would like to apologize for the sudden closure of jwr.
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StephaneLaliberte
What if we could grab all the data that was previously available on JWR and import it into this site? I believe that there is a lot of recorded history in the forums and I do not believe that such history should be destroyed, given the size of our community.
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Simon: What happens when you can no longer support this site?
by StephaneLaliberte inhey simon, .
the recent closure of jwr made me realize that this site may not be eternal as well.
a great deal of people attach a lot of importance to xjw communities and yours is the best.
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StephaneLaliberte
Hey Simon,
The recent closure of JWR made me realize that this site may not be eternal as well. A great deal of people attach a lot of importance to xJW Communities and yours is the best.
This site has played an important role in my life in the last 10 years. From time to time, I look back at old conversations I had, observing how it helped me evolve… And what about the fact it acts as a true knowledge base for JW related information.
All this to say that it would actually be difficult for me to see this site disappear in the same way we saw JWR go this week.
10 years, I guess I started to take this site for granted. Reality is: do you already have plans to have someone pick up this site once you get tired of it all or b) if you get hit by a bus?
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StephaneLaliberte
If you have a sob story for a particular individual, it could work. That being said, there are charities in many places that help people in need, x-jws included.
Otherwise, you can help people you know. For instance, I have financially helped an x-jw, but she was also my friend.
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JW Witnessing Trolleys. To approach or ignore what is your preference and why?
by KateWild ini saw two brothers this morning next to the main train station in liverpool city centre this morning.
they were not actively approaching anyone.
what i found strange was that they were from a cong that has different territory, so i don't know why they were there.. anyway i knew them both, and they know i was df'd, i was in my car and couldn't park up for a chat, but i did beep and wave to them as i drove passed and they waved back.
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StephaneLaliberte
If I was in another city and saw them, I think I'd ask a few questions that don't appear too "JW savy". Like, asking a question on 1914, 1919 or 607 would immediately trigger their "apostate alarm". I'd like to ask some questions like:
When Jesus was there, why didn't he write any books? Did he asks people to build him churches?
I heard that you guys shun people, a lot of people. Is this true? Even family and very close friends? Why? Did Jesus ever shun people? How could he be tempted by Satan if he did not shun him? Why did he go in the desert in the first place knowing he could be tempted? What was the point of that? Wasn't that willfully putting his beliefs to the test?
If someone you know tells you that he's planing to kill someone tomorrow. Would you try to stop him? Would you inform the police? Why? How would you feel if you did nothing? Then why would God be able to stand by idle and watch so many bad things happen? I went to visit some concentration camps in Germany, I was amazed by how long it took the Germans to get to that final solution. They changed laws, organized trains, ghettos, build railroad, camps, etc. It took many years and God, who sees everything, knew exactly what was going to happen. Why? What did that change in the greater scheme of things? What is his excuse for doing nothing?
I'd try to get more random questions that are general, but easily puts questions in their minds.