Posts by StephaneLaliberte

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Why did Lloyd Evans say in one of his latest video

by mickbobcat in

so i was watching an evans video he just put out where he was interviewing a man about how the cult treated his daughter who was rapped as a criminal.

the man said his wife's first experience with an apostate site was here.

i could tell by the look on his face he did not like that site and then could not help himself and said that he could not recommend going to this site.

StephaneLaliberte

I agree with him, I couldn’t recommend this site to newly awakening dubs, it no longer does what it says on the tin.

While I agree with you there, I can also point out that he often says things that would dissuade many PIMIs. For instance, he often makes fun of the Governing Body and often use language that convey a lack of respect for Christian beliefs, especially the JWs. While I personally find it entertaining, I don't believe he is in a position to criticize others for not being "soft enough" for the newly awakening JWs. Just calling them "dubs" isn't very respectful, is it?

In all fairness, I believe Lloyd and this site are for people that are already awaken, but need an extra push to take further actions in their lives. Some may be PIMO, but I'd assume that most are already POMO. Most people leave for one or two reason in particular. Going on this site and listening to Lloyd then broaden your understanding of how a cult like JWs could manipulate you for so long through disinformation, propaganda and your emotions.

I'd assume that https://www.jwfacts.com/ would be better suited for people who have doubts about their religion but haven't made up their minds yet.

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Why did Lloyd Evans say in one of his latest video

by mickbobcat in

so i was watching an evans video he just put out where he was interviewing a man about how the cult treated his daughter who was rapped as a criminal.

the man said his wife's first experience with an apostate site was here.

i could tell by the look on his face he did not like that site and then could not help himself and said that he could not recommend going to this site.

StephaneLaliberte

I must admit that I listen to most of Lloyd's videos. I do find many of them too be a bit to windy, so I play them at 1.5x speed. I find a lot of information and video edits from the watchtower interesting.

As for him making a living off of that, in my opinion, is not manipulating people for his profit. He is providing a service (information, interviews, videos, documentation, etc) and is paid for that. Manipulating is the watchtower telling people they cannot be happy without them. Lloyd never made any such comments and often said that people are in a better place when they no longer need his videos and to talk about JWs like this in their lives, when they can all leave it behind.

I can't leave it behind as, like him, I live with my JW in-laws.

That being said, the other comments made on this thread are valid. The very fact he's against this board is a problem in and of itself. People on this board are reasonable enough, I believe the only thing he doesn't like about it is that he is not on control of the information. When he says something, people can comment and say opposite things and he doesn't have the ability to edit it out.

As for me? I tend to try to take the best out of people. The best I have from this group is the variety of opinions and the best I get from Lloyd is a steady stream of information about the JWs.

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Time Indefinite

by StephaneLaliberte in

from a very young age, i was always annoyed by this translation time indefinite simply means: time that has not been defined.

where the new world translation uses "time indefinite", other translations use "everlasting" and "eternal".

honestly, it makes much more sense to me "everlasting" and "eternal" as "time indefinite" would leave room for god to define that time later on.

StephaneLaliberte

From a very young age, I was always annoyed by this translation time indefinite simply means: time that has not been defined. Where the New World Translation uses "time indefinite", other translations use "everlasting" and "eternal". Honestly, it makes much more sense to me "everlasting" and "eternal" as "time indefinite" would leave room for god to define that time later on. I wonder why NWT uses "time indefinite"

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Watchower and BMG agreed confidential settlement ?

by keinlezard in

i just read that watchtower pennsylvania and bmg music ave agreed to a confidential settlement .

about "listen,obey and be blessed" by aled jones ?

anybody have more information ?

StephaneLaliberte

I don't often agree with Watchtower, but in this case... they were right. You can't simply take music from people like that and add it to your Christmas album. That's precisely why copyright laws exists.

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Party tunes

by jhine in

as usual there's a lot of serious shizzle being discussed on here .

i can only cope with so much serious , so here's something that's really not .

as some of you know l am getting married soon and organising the evening bash .

StephaneLaliberte

Makes me think of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlBYdiXdUa8

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Party tunes

by jhine in

as usual there's a lot of serious shizzle being discussed on here .

i can only cope with so much serious , so here's something that's really not .

as some of you know l am getting married soon and organising the evening bash .

StephaneLaliberte

Depends on the audience... women 35 to 45 go crazy on this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is6gtilerPk

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fndeDfaWCg

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So telling that there are no little children

by eyeslice in

watching in on my wife's zoom meeting last night, there was an item about discipline is love.

they played a 'caleb' animated cartoon and then the instructions were 'if possible, ask selected young children' several questions.. it seems however, that there are no children in my wife's current congregation so the questions were all answered by retired brothers and sisters.

the congregation mainly consists of elderly people (like us) and the few of childbearing age seem not interested in having children.

StephaneLaliberte

I attended two funeral in two different areas not too long ago and did notice the same thing: Not many young parents with kids. This can be explained by the fact that many JWs couple chose not to have children from the last two generations have left.

I wouldn't be surprised that the numbers of this religion would be cut down in half in the next 20 years.

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Anyone know a link to the leaked music video the cult is so upset about?

by mickbobcat in

i have been hearing the cult is upset that this video leaked and is trying to remove it off the net.

lol are they really that stupid?

but if anyone has a link to the video i would love to see it.

StephaneLaliberte

Vienne, you are correct in saying that the watchtower has rights (copyrights) and very often, is protected by that law. However, laws are not perfect and can, at times, cause victims due to by-product/side effects.

This is what’s happening with the Watchtower. Copyright laws were made to ensure that authors would benefit from their work and protect it against miss appropriation (people claiming the works of others as their own). Members of this group have absolutely no problem with this. We are only interested in the “Fair use” provision where law makers tried to preserve free speech. That is, content can be reproduced so long as it is for criticism or parody.

In our case, there is plenty of material that the JWs have produced over the years that they are ashamed of. For us, the very act of reproducing the content and presenting it to active members is a commentary in and of itself: Are you proud or even agree with what your religion has produced here?

We very well understand that the majority of JWs will ignore such works if additional comments are made by a third party. And yet, this is the type of thing that is needed to protect the critics against WT’s lawyers.

Probably the best example I can think of is watchtowerquotes.org, a site that died a long time ago. Back in the days, that site would present watchtower quotes, in their full context, without any commentary. As a JW, I couldn’t find anything wrong about it as there was no apostate comments to be found anywhere on the site. So, I read the quotes, which in turn, guided my studies about my own religion and helped me understand a great deal about it.

The watchtower, ashamed by the content the site, sued the site owner for 100k and successfully shut it down. To this day, I believe that the very selection of quotes in and of themselves could have been considered a commentary, but who has the money to fight watchtower’s lawyers? The point is that the watchtower had used a legitimate law to shut down a critic that should have been protected by the fair use provision of the very same law.

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Do you still debate with JWs?

by punkofnice in

i was talking to an ex-jw.

not been out as long as i have.. cut a long story short, i came to realise that i can no longer be bothered to debate jws if (on the rare occasion), i have encountered them.. i think that because i am somewhere circling a nihilistic atheist it seems pointless.

i just don't have the energy because i rarely even think about jw related garbage.

StephaneLaliberte

It really depends on who you debate with, why you debate and the mutual respect you show one another.

For instance, one evening, I was talking about the steadfast faith of my mother in law who refused blood transfusion despite this putting her in greater risk. The doctor had evaluated this at 2% higher rate of failure and thereby, possible death.

My ant’s response was that there were no risks to begin with and that the doctor was inadequate. I tried to reason with her that the doctor had been referred by the Hospital Liaison Comity (HLC), that they had stayed informed every step of the way and that there was indeed an risk increase due to refusing blood.

My ant argued and argued, questioning my faith and motives for layout out the facts while all I wanted to say is:

Who has greater faith? The one who does something knowing it is totally safe or the one that does an action accepting the risks?

Somehow, she couldn’t see things from that angle and continued arguing.

Moral of the story? Some people are not worth your time.

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David Webb accused of white privelege ...

by LoveUniHateExams in

… and the dude's black.

xd.

no, it's not a joke, lol.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=balig2jw7sa.

StephaneLaliberte

We have a similar situation in Quebec where one of our most well known celebrity is black, Normand Brathwaite. Brathwaite has been vocal in the past about how Quebec is not racist. Sure, there are racist people, but overall, as a province, no. One of the example he used is how he travels the world with his wife who happens to be white. Europe, Mexico, Haiti, etc. The place where he feels no judgement about being with a white women is back home in Quebec. Also, he's been part of the annual National Festivities (Quebec's Day) for 10+ years. How could Quebec be racist when the day dedicated to it had him and other people from different races at the center stage?

Response of the left? He's a house nigger - I actually heard this once in an interview. The kind of black that accepts anything from the white and works against his brothers.

Now, who's racist? People who don't see color, who only see Normand for the talented individual that he is (Actor, comedian, Musician, producer, animator), or the people who bring it all down to Normand being a suck up, some sort of a sell out?

Ridiculous.