The shunning practice is the main reason why I have left. When you walk around Europe you come to realize the shear amount of people who have died for the freedom of expression; in someway, the entire land has bathed in blood, battling for the right of the people. Then, JW turn around and deny these very things to its members... it is despicable. JWs imposes laws dictated by a select group man and call it theocracy all the while freely admitting that they are not "inspired". They bring a dictatorship within democracy and call it "religion".
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"Normal family affections and dealings" continue - If only?!?
by LHS123 ini am new to this forum - it is only a couple of weeks since i have allowed myself to acknowledge and research my doubts.
i am trying to be fair by reading both sides of the story and considering jw official explanation of confusing matters.
one of the issues i have been looking at is shunning - and i was shocked to see the misleading information about shunning on the jw.org website: .
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Went to a Catholic Funeral Today
by Captain Schmideo2 init was for a dear friend of the family that i have known all my life.now, bear in mind that i was born and raised jw, so my experience with catholic ceremonies can be counted on three fingers, a wedding, a "regular" mass, and this funeral mass.once they got down to the actual speaking about the deceased, i felt emotionally involved, but prior to that, i was watching and had questions about aspects of the services (these i have seen in common for all three times i have been in an rc church):why the "sing-song" voice during the prayers?
does god hear it better if you sound all spooky tenor?i observe that every time a reading from one of the gospels takes place, it is preceded by a big musical number:"alleluiah!
alleluiah"( "and nowwwwwwwwwwwwwww, heeeeeeeeeeeeeere's jesus!".
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I remember being at a JW funeral where the brother at the front knew nothing about the deceased except that he was a member of the congregation. So, he went on and on about the JW teachings and almost nothing about the brother. Then, while the elder was still speaking, the oldest daughter of that deceased stood up and asked to say a few words at the front! While the elder was still trying to figure out the answer, she was already on the stage pushing him over (kindly) and started speaking:
Your group knew my father as a JW. However, since you rarely saw him outside of this setting, we, his children, would like to elaborate on how exactly he was with his family. And then, she went on about personal stories for a good 20 minutes.
One of the best funerals I have attended, because of her. Otherwise, in terms of the brother who did that talk, he was the worst!
That being said, I can also say that some of the most beautify funerals I have seen were also JWs. In the end, I believe it all has to do with the brother/preacher/priest giving the talk and the personal involvement he had with the deceased.
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TROLLEY WITNESSING BECOMING A ROUSING SUCESSS!
by nowwhat? infrom last weeks meeting.
"we are now going to talk about experiences from trolley witnesssing" .
this is the honest to god response.
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StephaneLaliberte
I remember, a little more than a year ago, at my last convention, I went to speak to a brother that reported about the success of these trolleys in very broad terms. I asked:
- How many bible studies were started as a result of your 6 months sprint?
- Have you observed positive changes in the life of anyone who listened to you?
- Have you had a conversation with somewhere where you felt you made a difference?
Since the answer to each of these questions was "zero", I saw his face come down as if it hit him that true success is not measured by the number of hours or the placement counts. Rather, success is measured by the good you do and the good you help people achieve.
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2015 Convention Reminders Video!
by Atlantis incredit goes to mike & kim.. .. https://youtu.be/yj3x6wjrsaq .
.. .. atlantis!.
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Oubliette: generally speaking they are severe cases of arrested development emotionally, socially, intellectually and spiritually.
Though I am no longer a JW, I will simply not go down the route of having no respect at all for all its members. I think this attitude serves the WT as it surely turns away JWs trying to get alternative, yet, logical and respectful arguments against their own teaching.
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2015 Convention Reminders Video!
by Atlantis incredit goes to mike & kim.. .. https://youtu.be/yj3x6wjrsaq .
.. .. atlantis!.
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StephaneLaliberte
Toes up, I did vonlonteer planty at the conventions and yes, many are indeed self entitled a-holes, but believe me, the easiest way to put them in line for me was: So, which congregation are you from my loving brother?
You would feel their fear growing on them and do what ever you told them. As for elders, I sometimes pretended that I reported straight to the CO. It was like a magic wand.
In the end, no matter where you go, humans are humans and their Spiritual Paradise is non-existant.
That being said, does it mean it is a bad thing to make this video? I think not, I actually think that is a good thing. As for its infantile approach, well, if you are the type to push an old lady, you are obviously a retard and need to be talked to like a retard. This video is for these retards. The rest of the group can enjoy the break. -
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2015 Convention Reminders Video!
by Atlantis incredit goes to mike & kim.. .. https://youtu.be/yj3x6wjrsaq .
.. .. atlantis!.
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Oubliet,
with that logic, absolutely anything done by the JW should be condemned as they are a cult. On of the main reason I have left the JW was because they used to take things in bulk and call it evil. Everything from the world, even birthdays are bad.
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2015 Convention Reminders Video!
by Atlantis incredit goes to mike & kim.. .. https://youtu.be/yj3x6wjrsaq .
.. .. atlantis!.
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StephaneLaliberte
DATA DOG,I agree that it is a high control group, that it does destroy families and that provides a loop hole for child abusers... This forums has plenty of legitimate subjects that are harmful to the Watchtower. I simply do not see anything wrong with this video.
JW visitors to this site will simply see the "Apostates" as complaining about everything and anything and this will reduce the impact of our complaints concerning truely legitimate subjects as you hilited.
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2015 Convention Reminders Video!
by Atlantis incredit goes to mike & kim.. .. https://youtu.be/yj3x6wjrsaq .
.. .. atlantis!.
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Well, to be honest, I thought that was alright. You know, not everything the JW produces is worth bashing and this little animation is not bad at all.
Yes, many of them act like complete jerks and everyone knows about this; thus, they are making these videos.
As for this dumbing things down... common... this is a light break in a boring meeting program that last 2 hours in the middle of the working week late in the evening... why not?
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Went to a Catholic Funeral Today
by Captain Schmideo2 init was for a dear friend of the family that i have known all my life.now, bear in mind that i was born and raised jw, so my experience with catholic ceremonies can be counted on three fingers, a wedding, a "regular" mass, and this funeral mass.once they got down to the actual speaking about the deceased, i felt emotionally involved, but prior to that, i was watching and had questions about aspects of the services (these i have seen in common for all three times i have been in an rc church):why the "sing-song" voice during the prayers?
does god hear it better if you sound all spooky tenor?i observe that every time a reading from one of the gospels takes place, it is preceded by a big musical number:"alleluiah!
alleluiah"( "and nowwwwwwwwwwwwwww, heeeeeeeeeeeeeere's jesus!".
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StephaneLaliberte
I assisted a few Catholics funerals as I never prevented myself from going to these even when I was a JW. In all the ceremonies that I have attended, there was one that I thought was truly beautiful. Otherwise, it was from a priest who generally knew almost nothing about the deceased and they appeared overly crowded by the proceedings/traditions. In one of these talks, I even remember a priest pretending to be quoting from the scriptures words that were simply not there!! -
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Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Assist With Disaster Relief? (In Nepal)
by berrygerry indo jehovahs witnesses assist with disaster relief in nepal?.
http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/assist-with-disaster-relief/.
what say ye?.
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StephaneLaliberte
And the concept that there is almost no administrative fees... what about all the bethelites and all the expenses generated by the Organization, including the lawsuits? These are covered by the donations and thus, are to be calculated as the over-head (administrative fees).