Posts by StephaneLaliberte

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jw family loves to ask df'd ones for money!

by Ghiagirl in

well it finally happened!

we have been waiting about a year for this, my dfd husbands family asked us for money.

even though his own father hasn't met our 8 month old son.

StephaneLaliberte

How about "Sure we'll help you. Lets go do a grocery together. You need cloths? Lets go shop together."

If they accept, by spending time with you, they will realize that you are not, in fact, the monster described by WT literature. If they do not accept saying that they can't do things with you as you are disfellowshiped, then, say:

"Here I am, with my heart on my hands, willing to help you, and now, not only are you refusing my help, but you are breaking my heart. How am I supposed to feel when you ask me to make sacrifices for you when I am not even worthy of your presence?".

If they say: You can come to our house, but we can't spend time in public. Answer: "If the opinion of other's count for that much, will they feed you? Then, what right do they have to judge you?"

Do not simply give them money without requiring their time and presence, otherwise, all the comments above are valid. They could very well say: "That was the least this sinner could do after everything she has done to us".

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JWs win 2015 Bronze Telly Award in the “Online Video News Feature”

by OrphanCrow in

jworg is carrying a "news" article concerning their recent win of a telly award.. i don't need to add to the jworg website hits, so here is the award listed on the telly award website:.

https://www.tellyawards.com/winners/list/?l=jehovah%27s&event=16&category=3&award=b.

2015 online video bronze winners.

StephaneLaliberte

According to the fact sheet of the Telly Awards, you get 1 out of 3 chances to win (10% silver, 25% Bronze) !

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March Broadcast - Remove the Rafter - Adjust Your attitude

by helpmeout in

if you have watched the march broadcast you will understand the topic title.

another propaganda piece intended to subtly blame the victim.

i would like to see them present a clip showing an arrogant self righteous elder interfering in the personal affairs of a family.

StephaneLaliberte

Most witnesses will readily admit that the watchtower is not perfect and that it is not inspired. However, they do not seem to grasp the fact that if they accept this fact, then, the organization should act as an imperfect, uninspired, sincere Christian individual.

For instance, a good Christian would first consider the possibility that he or she is wrong before judging others. He would ask for forgiveness and try to make amends for his wrongdoings. He would listen to anyone questioning his teachings without questioning his motives and character. He would not assume that everything he does is the will of Jehovah. Thus, he would not tell his friends that if they help him, they, thereby, help Jehovah.

People seem to lose this understanding when they fail to realize that a group should be judge in the same way we judge an individual.

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Elders & Ex Elders

by brandnew in

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i have a question.....if two jw have sex and only one of them goes to the eldurrs and confesses.....do they both get busted?

or does the boe need a confession from both people.?

if one of em denies it happened will that person still get df'd?.

StephaneLaliberte

The one that denies will go through a whole lot of questions and suspicions and it will not be easy. But if he keeps denying, nothing else will happen. Most JW, however, will confess.

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The reward of being a nice guy!

by StephaneLaliberte in

today, an old jw friend came to visit a member of my family who is still active.

i saw them leave together to run errands.

when they left, she didn't say hi and barely looked at me.. after taking care of my cores around the house, i noticed that the sister had forgot to turn off the head lights of her car.

StephaneLaliberte

Today, an old JW friend came to visit a member of my family who is still active. I saw them leave together to run errands. When they left, she didn't say hi and barely looked at me.

After taking care of my cores around the house, I noticed that the sister had forgot to turn off the head lights of her car. So, I called them on my relative's cell phone, but the sister thought they could probably be back in time before the battery would run flat. Well, that didn't happen. The battery died. So who was there to save her day and give her a boost? ME!

She was so nice with me, making small talk and smiling and laughing, just like in the good all days.

I tell you, there is no greater pleasure than being a nice person to them making them realize: How come he didn't become a complete dick? He hasn't been to the hall in so long; shouldn't he be bad by now?

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Inviting disfellowshipped to the memorial

by wannaexit in

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i read in a european ex jw forum that this year they are making a special effort to invite not only the inactive but also a special effort is made to invite all disfellowshipped.

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i don't know if this as always been a common practice, or something started anew so they can boast about the numbers of attendees..

StephaneLaliberte

If I was disfellowshipped, I would have a lot of fun with this. I can imagine the conversation:

- Why should I go?

- Jesus said: "Keep doing this".

- Who was he talking to? Me or the anointed?

- The anointed, but, by extension, the great crowd, us, you.

- So, you want to invite me, and the general public, to a memorial celebration to which I am not part of. It doesn't sound right.

Could you imagine verses in the bible that would explain how Jesus invited the public to a certain place, had them seated in a large room and asked them to wait patiently while he shared wine and bread with his 12 disciples, no one else? Then, how he went to a podium and explained to them that though they were not part of that ceremony, they were welcome to have witnessed it; They too, would benefit from that arrangement. Can you imagine how that would be written in the bible? How it would actually have happened? What would it say about Jesus' personality?

I'm puzzled by what you're doing with this. The Jewish Passover was a "sacred" meal shared with the family and close friends; Jesus made it his own by adding the wine and the bread at the very end. Why would that not be sufficient?

Why not keep it simple?

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The "most honest people" on earth....?

by stuckinarut2 in

have we noticed how often the society uses comments like this?.

"jehovah's witnesses are the most honest people...etc".

while it may be true that witnesses as a whole are decent, law abiding people, are they truely "honest" when the very foundation of beliefs are based on mistruths?.

StephaneLaliberte

If you start talking about the pyramids and how Charles Russel derived prophecies from its measurements, there will be an uncomfortable moment. JWs will immediately question your motives. On the other hand, if you talk about David sinning with Bath Sheba, they will say: The bible is truth as it did not hide anything!

The fact that there is a sizable discomfort about talking about anything negative about the WT is a big problem and makes them dishonest.

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Conversation on FB with a witness who doesn't know me

by Peony in

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so on my facebook feed this morning pops up a picture with the words 'jehovahs witnesses the happiest people on earth' i have no idea why i can see this must have come from a friend of a friend!

anyway i take a quick peak at the comments, about 30 of them all saying the same jw propoganda.

then ,non jw, makes a comment about a terrible person she knows that is a jw and that jw's break up families and listen to man and not god.. jw replies: just because someone says they're from a certain faith doesn't mean they're living it.

StephaneLaliberte

To be honest with you... she probably stopped reading and deleted the post at the UN bit of information.

I would advise, next time, to stick to your guns and simply asks the same question again. You may also expose her tactics.

For instance: You have yet to answer my question. Instead, you have used "ad hominem", that is, attacking the person making the argument rather than offering counter arguments. This is what you have done by calling me bitter, unhappy, disfellowshipped or disassociated. Please stay on track and explain, from the bible, why someone that did not commit a gross sin, should be shunned by his own family should he choose to leave the witnesses?

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How did you feel when they eliminated the Con. Book Study?

by Freeandclear in

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years ago when i was "in" i loved the book study.

it was my favorite meeting by far.

mainly because it was a small group.

StephaneLaliberte

We were always told that the book study was the most important of all. That lie was one of many others that would show me the door through which I made my exit a few years later.

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How to spot faders or "closeted" apostates in a congregation / meeting?

by nevaagain in

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so i am awoken for several years now (never really bought the cool aid) but for family reasons i am still enduring everything.

but my wife knows ... .

anyway so yesterday we had this boring meeting and as i was sitting there trying to make time pass faster i looked around me and i thought who else feels the same as me and is completely bored?

StephaneLaliberte

You know, when I was in, pretending, sometimes, I would make the most zeleous comments that I didn't believe a bit just so that I could laugh about it later in the car with my wife.

Something like: We should always follow the Faithful slave, even if they ask things we don't understand. We need to remember that they have more of Jehovah's Spirit as a group than we could ever have as individuals. Thus, even if they have changed a few teachings here and there, we need to trust Jehovah and assume they are right this time - even when we don't understand it. We should trust and wait on Jehovah and pray for his Faithful slave."

Would you have guest that I was a closet apostate?