Posts by StephaneLaliberte

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Expectation vs Reality

by joey jojo in

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just wanted to put this out there for any lurkers.. as someone that grew up during the 70s and 80s, we were promised that we would be in the first picture long ago.

if you are still on the fence, please let this sink in for a while..

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Expectation: Family Happiness

Reality:

- Broken family due to practice of shunning

- Divorce rate is as high as anywhere else

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Expectation: True Happiness

Reality: Depression due to aspirations (become a sport star, a phychologist, etc) being suppressed.

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Expectation: Love and friendship

Reality: Endless gossiping and competition

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Expectation: Protection from wickedness within the congregation

Reality:

- Pedophiles are not reported to the police

- Some abuse their fellow congregants knowing they will be discouraged from going to court.

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Expectation: Value and Respect

Reality:

- Individuals who do not hold a title or disregarded.

- Individuals often told that if they think differently than from the organization, they are boastful filled with pride.

- Women are oppressed

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Expectation: Honesty

Reality: Individuals are by and large shielded of anything negative concerning the organization.

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A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist

by Giles Gray in

i would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.

i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.

i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.

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Slimboyfat: The best a JW apologist could say, in my opinion, is that the faithful and discreet slave don’t claim to be infallible, and that understanding of this verse awaits clarification.

This is exactly what I was doing when I was in. However, when it was time to teach this to my kids, I simply could not. I could not bear the thought of teaching them non sense. So I quit.

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What Happened at the Tulsa Rally? I Thought There Were Requests for a Million Tickets?

by RubaDub in

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it just seems rather odd to me that supposedly a million people had tickets or wanted tickets and yet the upper deck of the arena was half empty (or less) and they cancelled the outdoor overflow thing.

just a bit strange based from what was reported the day before.. i wonder if it was no-shows or being overly optimistic..

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I'm not for Trump, but I can tell that this kind of anti-democratic action will work in his favor at the next election.

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Noah’s flood

by dothemath in

a few years ago at one of the conventions, there was a talk on gods remarkable creation.

one of the slides showed a giant sequoia tree, approximately 5000 years old!.

later another talk was about noah etc.

StephaneLaliberte

Yep. Told by the same authorities that claim the weight of the water pushed everest up and carved tg3e grand canyon

OMG!!!! How did I not see that????

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Noah’s flood

by dothemath in

a few years ago at one of the conventions, there was a talk on gods remarkable creation.

one of the slides showed a giant sequoia tree, approximately 5000 years old!.

later another talk was about noah etc.

StephaneLaliberte

you don't get it... the tree survived the flood. I know its stupid, but that's what I was told and I believed it for a long time!

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Quebec to abolish time limits on civil action in sexual abuse cases

by yalbmert99 in

good news for victims: quebec (canada) to abolish time limits on civil action in sexual abuse cases..

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/sexual-abuse-time-limits-quebec-1.5598419.

StephaneLaliberte

I find that the XJW community often seems to forget that the police does not always equal justice. Yes, JWs need to tell the police who are generally better at handling abuse cases, but the system is not fool proof. I personally believe in proofs, such as DNA analysis, video/audio recordings, analysis of cell phones and computers, etc. Proof to corroborate the account of the victim. And yet, every once in a while, I find myself watching the news or some documentary where the accused is sent to jail on nothing more than the word of the victim. I find this deeply disturbing. I’d find it even more disturbing if this type of scenario happened several decades later.

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Pioneer School Funny Picture

by pale.emperor in

found this on one of the exjw reddit pages.

a "hilarious" group photo.

another sign that this isnt the same religion we remembered of the 80s and 90s - and i dont mean that in a good, progressive way.. you can just smell the virginity oozing out of the front and back row.. .

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Propaganda at its finests. You had an awesome time following this program. See? We asked you to be silly on a picture with everyone else and you were all silly and having fun and enjoying each other. Look how close you all look like. You look like a family.

Reality, the majority could sing "I'm the great Pretender" from the Platters. Many served two years just to make it to that course, hoping to find a mate, and off with the pioneering work.

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Lloyd Evans exploitation videos.

by phoenixrising in

i used to watch his videos on the monthly gb talks.

he has went over the top a few times doing one video on why being liberal idiot is a good thing.

he has made comments on the usa not knowing shit about what he was desperately trying to talk about.

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He has made comments on the USA not knowing shit about what he was desperately trying to talk about.

This is a non-argument meant to discredit the opponent. For instance, recently, I lost too much time on Facebook trying to convince a women that the black community is doing much better in the states and ignoring the progress would be ignoring the heroic victories of MLK, Malcom X, Rosa Parks and the likes. Instead of offering counter arguments, a few of them told me that I didn't know what I was talking about because I wasn't black. One told me not to quote brother Malcom X deliberately not addressing the quote itself.

Same goes with USA. They can have an opinion on my prime minister and I can have an opinion on their politics. The truth is somewhere in between us and it is by openly talking about it that it shall be found.

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Australia - Selling Off Assets

by Pants of Righteousness in

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this article seems to confirm what we already knew:.

https://thewest.com.au/news/australia/jehovahs-witnesses-accused-of-selling-off-assets-and-moving-cash-to-avoid-sex-abuse-compensation-ng-08ffe6d55e293182580d9e34b4400088?transactionid=72145.

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And good luck spinning "paying back Caesar's things to Caesar" as "persecution"

That's exactly what they did when France tried to tax them at 60%. They ended up loosing. Now that I am out, I don't even know how that 60% was going to work. We were told it was a broad general 60% on all donations, but I bet it wasn't. Probably something like: 60% of the money you don't show expenses for. Still, Watchtower is to be treated as a business, it should pay the same taxes rates as any other business, which is certainly not 60%.

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Is it me or is John Cedars channel becoming a self important circle fest

by phoenixrising in

i still like the commentary on the jw.org monthly’s, i can skip through some parts.

but it seems like he is pushing too hard to put out videos and the quality is getting very low on the content..

StephaneLaliberte

the truth about the truth a... Not sure we need another movie there have been many documentary's made on the cult

I agree, unless there is a fresh take on the JWs. Its like the 1989 Batman movie... when it was done again in 2005, many doubted it would work, and yet it was met with phenominal success; and the 2008 version was even better!

Who knows, perhaps that documentary will be awesome! (but I still have strong doubts!)