4and when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after easter to bring him forth to the people.. .
acts 12:4. king james version.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts%2012:4;&version=9;.
LMAO! I haven't been in "JW style" for 10 years, dear. Yes, it is written in the KJV - my point is that it is mistakenly translated. The original Greek word translated 'Easter' is in reality, paska=passover - it never ever has meant 'Easter'. Please check out the other Bible versions on Biblegateway - who cares what the NWT says, I don't use that mess.
LOL - I am not a WT apologist - that is too funny - and at the same time a bit offensive.
But I forgive easily
Watkins
4and when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after easter to bring him forth to the people.. .
acts 12:4. king james version.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts%2012:4;&version=9;.
No, 'Easter' is NOT in the Bible. The word translated as Easter at Acts 12:4 is 'paska' = Passover. The KJV is in the wrong. The NIV correctly translates it as Passover too. Check out all the other translations on Biblegateway.
"Makes you wonder how much else has been changed and manipulated for self-serving purposes, doesn't it?" Indeed! It's religion - it's what we've come to expect from them all - disingenuousness.
Peace
Watkins
if anyone can oblige me, please - i will be soooo grateful!.
i need scans of the "born again - what does it mean" series of articles in the april 1, 2009 watchtower magazine, pages 3 through 12.. i found audio files at jw.org, but need to be able to print it out.
i unsuccessfully downloaded something from that site - windows wouldn't open it after it was done.
No one has it? Rats, looks like I'll have to type it out the hard way.
This errant teaching MUST be addressed as it fences off Christians from Christians - the doctrine itself is anti-Christ!
Thanks anyway - I know if you had it you would share it.
Watkins
so here i am moving furniture from downstairs to upstairs and from upstairs to downstairs (yes i'm very sore today) when there comes a knock at the door.
two witnesses, man and wife, that nina has known since the 70's had come over to invite her to the memorial.
never mind she hasn't talked or heard from then in over a decade.. they made a point of ignoring me, and spoke only to nina.
They're hot and heavy with it this year particularly, I think. Have already had 2 invites to sit solemnly and "reject Jesus" as the wine and toast are passed by. Nope, can't do it - and haven't done it for 8 years now - what are they thinking?
Here the CO's visit closely preceeds the Memorial service, so that's why I think they're frantic to fill seats - it'd look 'real good' on his report wouldn't it?
Had 2 elders visit just last night to tell me all the new and exciting - and fun! - things going on at the KH these days. New elders - never met before(all the elders there when I was active are no longer elders and I wonder what that's about, but don't really care enough to dig for the gossip) - but they "wanted to meet me" - a sister who's been absent from the meetings for 8 years! I invited them back to discuss being 'born again' and why I couldn't possibly sit in on their no-love anti-Christ non-feast.
Watkins
ps - I also burn their literature - and confiscate it in every doctor's waiting room I visit regularly - it's dangerous!
if anyone can oblige me, please - i will be soooo grateful!.
i need scans of the "born again - what does it mean" series of articles in the april 1, 2009 watchtower magazine, pages 3 through 12.. i found audio files at jw.org, but need to be able to print it out.
i unsuccessfully downloaded something from that site - windows wouldn't open it after it was done.
If anyone can oblige me, please - I will be soooo grateful!
I need scans of the "Born Again - What Does it Mean" series of articles in the April 1, 2009 WatchTower magazine, pages 3 through 12.
I found audio files at JW.org, but need to be able to print it out. I unsuccessfully downloaded something from that site - Windows wouldn't open it after it was done. I evidently have no techno skills, 'cause I can't figure how to print it.
I need to dissect their faulty reasonings - and "do a Blondie" on it!
Thanks in advance for your help - you guys here are great!
Watkins
does anyone know --- has anyone ever successfully sued the wtbts after being disfellowshipped and losing the natural affections of their family, as per wtbts directions to 'shun'?
i guess it would be 'alienation of affection' or something else... i don't know.
i'm lucky to have had no family members in the cult - but i've read horrendous stories of the effects disfellowshipping has had on others - lives effectively ruined by losing mates, children, parents, friends, jobs, homes... suicides, murder/suicide - all devestating results of the cult's edicts.
Does anyone know --- has anyone ever successfully sued the WTBTS after being disfellowshipped and losing the natural affections of their family, as per WTBTS directions to 'shun'? I guess it would be 'alienation of affection' or something else... I don't know.
I'm LUCKY to have had no family members in the cult - but I've read horrendous stories of the effects disfellowshipping has had on others - lives effectively ruined by losing mates, children, parents, friends, jobs, homes... suicides, murder/suicide - all devestating results of the cult's edicts. That ain't livin'.... it's just waitin' to die...
But I wondered if anyone had been successful against their 'dream team' of lawyers - I'm sure they could find tricky loopholes to avoid responsibility - it's what cult lawyers do...
Thanks in advance -
peace --- watkins
i was watching one of those american justice type shows today.
a man came home and found a pool of blood on the bed and his wife and daughter were missing.
he called 911 to report it.. so the police search for a suspect.
I agree - instead of throwing the light of suspicion off , he beamed it into a pinpoint on himself. Not the smartest murderer... that sounds weird... I've always thought murderers were, at least in that moment of time, insane.
But - what happened to the daughter???? Found alive and well, I'm hoping... even tho' an orphan.
peace --- watkins
part 1: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/163998/1.ashx.
part 2: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/164136/1.ashx.
part 3: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/7/164163/1.ashx.
I should like to add, that even though I am free, growing up a Jehovah's Witness affected every part of my life. I can move on but part of me will always want to know what happens next in the strange world of the Watchtower Society.
Though not raised a witness, I can relate very much to your sentiments. There was a time when I was bent on 'getting past it' - which turned into not knowing if that was even possible, lol. Now I think I've settled into - it is what it is, or was - and being a witness is part of who I was and who I've grown to be - it will always be a part of me.
For me now, it's like looking back at the steps I had to take to get to the place I wanted to be - some steps I'd rather have skipped, but in hindsight it's clear that every step was absolutely neccesary and each step taught me something, even tho' I didn't realize it at the time. Life is like that, a learning experience.
Your story is a real page-turner, 'truthseeker' ! Thank you for sharing it here. I feel there is so much more left unwritten. Such as - what turns has your spiritual life made since leaving the WT? Does your wife still believe the WT doctrine? Seriously - you could very well write a book. One that I hope has a happy ending... Seems I couldn't get close to God until I was unchained from my own emotional attachment of their doctrinal hold on The Truth. Their obvious historical revisionism also turned on a few lights... But my true 'bright flash of light' was how they talked out of both sides of their "mouthpiece"(lol) to lessen fall-out from the UN scandal.
You mentioned H2O - which I only discovered in archives after the site was defunct(darn it!) - were you ever on the first Pathways forum? I remember a 'truthseeker' on there - seems so long ago... I've seen others with the username 'truthseeker' too - and always wondered... You may be the original! In any event - I'm glad to have read your story and wish you nothing but the best from here on out - and I'd love reading more if you ever endeavor writing the full edition!
Love and peace to you,
w
from all the reports here, it seems that only the presiding overseer can read the letter re: book study change - the elders aren't even allowed to know about it until at the earliest, a few minutes before the sunday meeting.. doesn't this demonstrate lack of trust in the boe by the faithful and discreet slave?.
they must know about renegade elders posting here.. the presiding overseer is really just another elder who represents the boe..
Actually, I have found that the PO is no more likely to keep something confidential than any other elder. And if this info is confirmed on Sunday.... it will show that even the PO has to share with at least one other person.
It's obvious - the PO's Wife, who tells 'only one' other confidant...
who tells 'only one' other confidant.... To know beforehand any tiny crumb of Info From The Society is just one of the perks of being in the smug 'in crowd'. They know before you do because they're Elders and Elders' Wives, or put bluntly, they're worthy and you're not.... LOL.
It's a secret society, folks - things are supposed to be secretive... shhhhh!
watkins
in the hall i used to attend i found alot of people had 'demon' stories, did you know anyone like this or have any run-ins yourself?
i personally think they were zealot delusions.
nevermind i just did a search a found a whole bunch of stories.
Here ya go guys, a topic I started last year - 'Demons in My Tupperware?' - http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/134199/1.ashx
Pepole choose to believe some weird things...
watkins
