The best thing is to say that you have cant handle the load and certain things have come up in you're life you have to deal with. Just say you cant cope anymore, basically that is truthfull for whatever reasons you are being honest. Why create more hassles, just go.
timmycat
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Attention former elders and ms: I have a question.
by R.F. ini'm currently a ministerial servant and pioneer in my congregation.
i want to begin my fade soon.
i'm going to get off the pioneer list first instead of quitting both positions at once, hopefully to ease potential gossip.
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Comments you will not hear at the 5-13-07 WT Review (Loyal to GB Jesus)
by blondie inloyal to christ and his faithful slave.
what interesting points: cross, christmas, pyramid.
q12, 13) what scriptural reasons are there for showing respect for the slave class?.
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timmycat
In the first century congregations after Christ died, who and how governed the congregations? how did they organize the preaching work, give talks, assignments, instructions, Paul traveled from congregation to congregation, by whose authority? he went to encourage and to discipline, by whose authority? Jesus was not around then, as Jesus is the head of the congregation, all those in these have to listen to his authority, and yes he spoke about a faithful and descete slave class, that would give food at the proper time, Where are they then? who are they then? who is doing this world wide work of preaching the kingdom?
The organization is not perfect and yes they do make mistakes, things are by far more restrictive then they have ever been. Those that don't like can freely leave, berate and do what ever they wish, and those that wish to stay can, and abide by the organizational rules, which they believe are based on Gods word for protection in this System.
The only thing I try to do is show love, respect others, and ignore those I find to be unchrist like, the worst thing I find rather than the doctrines, is lack of love, gossip, and back biting, smiters, and self righteousness, for me that is far worst than anything else.
I also find that some stay in the congregations (especially young ones) not because they believe but because they want to do as their parents say because they don't want to be kicked out and have to fend for themselves, they have it to easy at home. I find that to be hypocricy.
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"Mature" JW's READ THIS:
by Honesty in"mature" jw's, what do you "believe" you are accomplishing by coming on this board?.
page 371 paragraph 22 of the june 15, 1967 watchtower magazine says, "in addition to all of this, a persons faith can be weakened by what he reads and takes into his mind, dwelling upon "higher criticism," relying on worldly philosophers.
it should be remembered that, when we are reading a book, the author of the book becomes ones teacher, and for this reason great care should be taken in selecting reading matter.
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That is why I and other born again believers come on this board... to draw JW's away from the Watchtower Society and to real peace and joy that you can only find in Jesus Christ.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Quit serving your imaginary Jehovah and start groveling in front of MY imaginary god - Jesus Christ - or you will burn in hell forever and ever. And that's the TRUTH? Get outa here.
You worship the trinity......or plato....or constitine......triune gods......born again in what sense.......deny the creator and worship the son of..... where in the bible does it say that Jesus is Almighty. only Jehovah is called Almighty.....without Jesus and belief in his sacrifice I would have no hope and that is what witnesses teach, though we pray through Jesus we don't worship him as Jesus himself only worship Jehovah, Mth 4:6 and as youre redeemer said Let You're name, not his but his fathers be sanctifie Mth6:9 he came to do his fathers will, and always gave glory to his father. That is what it formost the santification of God's name, and I suppose he was praying to himself in Gathseme, and on the before his death he prayed for his father's spirit to help him remain faithful. Jesus was not a nutter where he divided himself, he spoke truth, he was and is the truth, the son of the living God Jehovah.
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One hour ago...NEWSDAY [Abuse cases]
by sf injehovah's witnesses settle abuse casesby rose french.
associated press writer.
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/wire/sns-ap-jehovahs-witnesses-sex-abuse,0,2429831.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines.
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timmycat
The Great Tribulation has started.
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Amazing how much the dubs still control your life, years after (fate)
by needproof injust recently, i've been getting this feeling that i just can't escape the witnesses.
i still live in the same area as i did when i was a dub, so i always see the old faces on 'theocratic' mornings.
one such old face reared his ugly head today.
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Needproof..................I cant belive you have not taught your dog to 'go and pee up a witnesses leg' by now................you need to give him some lessons........................start by standing near his fave peeing place holding a copy of the Watchtower or Awake in a suit (or skirt for that matter) and encourage him to pee on the mags (make sure you reward him big time for this act)..............wont be long before you can happily let him off the lead when you spot the Saturday morning crowd and watch in delight as he takes himself off to urinate all over them............thus avoiding any sad cat stories
You know not all witnesses are bad, and you saying pee on a witness leg...ho ho ho and ha ha ha, but really childish. If you were on a train and left you're wallet behind who would you rather find it? a witness that would more likely hand it in or some other denomination, maybe someone else might, but for my taking I would say a witness. Youre hostility to certain ones that may have hurt you is justified but to all of them you are just being as unloving as you profess some of them to be.
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Silentlambs video on Nashville news
by betterdaze innot sure if this was posted yet.
http://www.wsmv.com/video/13298579/index.html .
gotta love it when the brother says: "you haven't been invited on the property.
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timmycat
Ray Franz was asked to comment on the child abuse cases and he had nothing to say or any comment, interesting seeing he was dragged before the coals for his freedom thinking 1914 assult.
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JW children - conditionally loved?
by Gregor inwhen they reach a certain age they are expected to "sign up" (get baptized).
in many cases if they choose not to their parents essentially "disfellowship" them.
so a lot of children get baptized under pressure from the parents and when they fail to live the jw life and get df'd the folks are the harshest shunners.
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I married twice out of the truth while inactive and came back was never disfellowshiped, I don't understand it sass when you say they can talk to you because you are not a witness yet you said you were disfellowshiped. well what ever hope you're folks find love more important than society thinking.
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JW children - conditionally loved?
by Gregor inwhen they reach a certain age they are expected to "sign up" (get baptized).
in many cases if they choose not to their parents essentially "disfellowship" them.
so a lot of children get baptized under pressure from the parents and when they fail to live the jw life and get df'd the folks are the harshest shunners.
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Trevor
you said that their love reflects the God they worship....obey me or die. I think a lot of the principles that the bible says are a protection, and obedience is a protection, just as a child obey their parents who are wiser, so to is Gods words, so obedience to Jehovah is a protection. However the shunning is wrong, unless the person is a threat physically or a trouble maker for the family I find that shunning is unloving.
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In Memorandum
by RichieRich init was the 14th of april last year that i had to sit my mother down and tell her i was an apostate.. i was closer to her than anyone else.
my father and mother are still married, but he let her raise me as a witness, and that meant it was me and mom.. me and mom in field service for 100 hours in july because she had to make her time as a regular pioneer.. me and mom fighting over what to bring for lunch to the district convention.. me and mom up late at night, when she would berate me, and then unload all her problems on to me.. me and mom and our 4 hour family studies, where we discuss 2 paragraphs of a random book, and then she would browbeat me until early in the morning.. somehow, through all that, i pretended to be a witness for years, just to appease her.
looking back, i don't know if i loved her, or if i was just afraid of her.
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Hi Rich.....and that you are, you're mother was sick, unbalanced and cruel. I'm sorry that she tainted the religion so badly and was not a good example of a christian. She has a lot to answer to and for, but I do believe that Jehovah has and will always love you, he sees all and knows you're pain. You are a very strong person and should be proud of that, no doubt you wouldn't never have been able to survive that onslaught of emotional abuse without Jehovah's help. She treats you like an apostate but you are not.
Cheers
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For those who've settled on 'no contact' with their JW families . . .
by Madame Quixote infor whatever reason.
do you question it sometimes and think you should try to "reach out" to them again?
i was this morning and then came across the thread above and was reminded why i need to stay away.. but, still, i read threads of people who have managed somehow, despite being d'f'ed or faded or d'aed and think i might try to be more understanding, supportive, reach out or something.. despite all the problems growing up in a fairly dysfunctional family, i still feel a deep attachment to them and hope against hope that they might come to their senses (if they ever had any to begin with) and get help and leave the cult of jehobo; and we might reconcile,etc., etc., blah blah blah dream dream dream.. i deeply wish for them all freedom and happiness and healing and feel so helpless to free them of their bonds and yet see so much possibility for it, if only they could be reached somehow.
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I cant believe that families still shun disfellowshiped ones, depending on the reason, if of course the disfellowshiped person hates and is putting everyone else down for their beliefs that is a reason you wouldn't want them around. But to shun them because they choose not to be a JW and is still the same person without the tag, then they need to learn about Christ's love.