Posts by WTWizard

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An organisation that doesn't care much

by greendawn in

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it is rather obvious that the organisation of the jws the wts does not have love for its members contrary to what they claim that they are the loving organisation of jehovah and are striving for the best interests of those under their direction.

my position is that they couldn't care less about them as individuals and basically they just want to exploit them.

there is that sense of coldness hunging in the jw kingdom halls and assemblies.

WTWizard

Also, they don't care about how hard you try to go out more in service. No matter how much you go out, it is not enough. I have heard from the platform that if you are putting in 30 or 40 hours a month, then you should be pioneering (a commitment of 60 hours a month then). And if you are putting in auxiliary pioneer hours, you need to regular, and then special, pioneer. And by the way, could you move to the middle of Texas or some place like Newton, NC, so that you can work where the need is greater? Who gives a &%$ that you wish to stay put.

Conduct is also subject to not-good-enough scrutiny. No matter what, you should be doing more and having less fun. Go out in service where there is ice, and they hound you for playing in the ice (try telling that to your 7-year old child and then telling them that service is the ultimate in fun). You can't fidget with your tie, which is always on. You have to walk (i.e., sprint: they need yoo to reach every door you possibly can) perfectly orderly; no zigzagging or running aimlessly just for fun. Everything is tightly programmed: any variance, no matter how trivial, will result in hounding.

And, if you get sick, you still need to be out in service. Hey, the guy in an iron lung can pioneer. The guys can cross crocodile infested waters to make the meetings (how do I know there were actually crocodiles in the water; I know that crocodiles cannot climb out onto a bridge, and they would likely be a pole on the river). I guess this is just so that they won't cancel the meeting for a lousy blizzard or tornado. And if they can pioneer in an iron lung, then who are you to think you can stay in from service with a wimpy flu?

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You know you're a JW if..

by themonster123 in

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hey i'll come back and do some, but does anyone want to kick start it?

WTWizard

If it is hot and muggy, and yet you still have that suit and tie on. Plus you are running around in service.

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District Conventions

by EAGLES in

i hadnt been to a d.c. in about 10 years is it really true that congragations have to sit together now????

whats up with that is it so that the elders can see who's there and who isnt.

that would blow my scam from way back when i would maybe make one half of one day and tell people i made all 4 days.

WTWizard

Boring or not, I always found that I would be sleepy by the middle of the afternoon session. And I could count on having a nasty headache by the end of the day.

And they were always the same bulls***. The first one was novel to me. After that, they start becoming repetitive. Make all the meetings. No fornication. No things that lead to fornication. Careful with the music. The brother pioneered with Marfan's syndrome--why can't you do it with mere high blood pressure? Stay away from apostate literature like Crisis of Conscience and the Web. The list goes on, and they cycle through it every year. After a while, it becomes a total waste to even bother going.

The last year I went, I wore a headphones with a tape player. I had a tape with some of the filthiest rap I could get my hands on, including the infamous Purple Pills by D12, and listened to that during the program. After that, I didn't even bother wasting my time and money.

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You Never Did Enough As A Witness!

by minimus in

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one thing that i will never miss is how you were made to feel inferior----that nothing you did was ever really good enough to satisfy the organization and of course by extension, jehovah god.

i know of sooooooo many witnesses that are truly depressed because they can never seem to satisfy god or the elders.. people even start getting mysterious illnesses and believe the "demons" are always trying to get at them.

the mentality is that "everyone hates us because we're jehovah's witnesses".

WTWizard

This was built into the system. I have actually seen other threads where assembly talks were essentially titled "You Are Not Doing Enough". No matter what you do, it's not enough.

This starts immediately. It starts with one hour a week for the study. Then soon it isn't enough: they want one meeting per week in addition. This grows to three (actually five, but two are segued so it is three trips to the Kingdumb Hell). Soon after, they expect talks. At first, this isn't too bad but eventually they will put you with a talk that you are not able to do without being a hypocrite and mark you a W.

Soon after that, service starts. At this point, one or two hours per week is enough. But they will continue hounding you to get baptized. From that point on, it's all uphill. In fact, I have heard a few talks during service meetings that if you can put in 30 or 40 hours a month (which could well be the absolute best you can do), then you can pioneer. Back then, it took 60 hours to auxiliary pioneer each month.

So you get your hours up. If you do 10 a month, soon they want 20, then 30, then more. And they want you to pioneer. I got a KM with an insert that suggested that August (hot and muggy, dodos) be used to auxiliary pioneer and use that as the stepping stone to regular pioneer. Little did anyone that blindly followed that advice know that if you can't handle auxiliary pioneering (or can barely), you will then have the commitment to regular pioneer after that. And there are those months with five Saturdays, five Sundays, or five whole weekends where the KM would invariably suggest that if you don't pioneer during those months, something's wrong with you (perhaps those people work many or all weekends, dopeheads?).

Beyond there, it gets worse. So you regular pioneer. Soon they are going to want you to go where the "need" is greater. Missionary work is always beckoning--especially in Nigeria where they need more Witlesses as much as I need a virus in my computer. Special pioneering is also recommended. And the hours are escalating: they get 140 in a month, and soon they are going to compare you to a brother who is getting 240 or 250, or more with a handicap. And it goes up from there. Remember, there are only 744 hours in a month that has 31 days (720 per 30-day month).

Men have it even worse. The entry level is not good enough, since there is always the "Reach out" theme in many a service meeting part. They become assistant hounders, then hounders. (I call them hounders because they spend so much time hounding people to do more). Beyond that, they have the traveling work. There is the hounder-hounder, who hounds the hounders in congregations throughout the circuit. This is why they crack down on the congregations after the CO shows up: I call him the hounder-hounder for this reason.

The DO is the hounder-hounder-hounder for the same reason. He hounds the hounder-hounders to hound the hounders to hound the flock. And it works all the way up the chain. Anyone not reaching out is going to be hounded to death. And if the local hounders don't, the hounder-hounders will make sure they start. And anyone who gets left at one level is probably going to find out that they don't like people that get stuck in those "ruts": stop doing (insert anything fun) and start doing more service and better service, and Jehovah will remove those "blocks" that are stopping you from advancing. And then when you make the adjustments, nothing happens and you have to make even more.

No, they do not appreciate anyone at any level. No matter how much you do, they want more. I wonder if someone were to single-handedly get the whole world in the cult, if they would still find something they could have done better.

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Aren't You Glad You're Out of the Organization??? Do You Now Have A Life?

by minimus in

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funny though, the only time i really think about the good old days is when i come here.

when i meet other exjws, quite often they seem consumed by their present situation.

sometimes i like to go out, have a couple of drinks and enjoy the food.

WTWizard

Now I will be able to do many of the things that normal people take for granted. Like celebrating Christmas. Putting up that Christmas tree and all the decorations. Like not having to worry about "It's the end of the month and I need to get out in service today". Not having to worry about making it to the meetings. Not worrying about what new wacky resolution they are going to pass this assembly--and not even having to worry about being there. Not having to waste money donating when I know there's going to be another artificial deficit at the last session. Using language like "Luck" and "Bulletin" without being censored. And so on.

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Speculating on New Rules in 2008 and Beyond

by WTWizard in

i have read on this site about some of the weird new changes ahead for the watchtower society.

the thread www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/115757/1.ashx had a resolution that effectively banned entertainment, and i doubt that any of the witnesses that were present at last summer's assembly where this was presented even realized it.. then i read that they were going to split the watchtower magazine, giving us a public (showcase) edition and a study (kool-aid) edition.

the study articles would not be open for public scrutiny, which means they are going to beat up on the witnesses without anyone on the outside realizing it (i sure hope blondie continues to get her supply of study articles so she can put up those comments you will not hear at the study).. here are some of my predictions of what might come out of this.

WTWizard

And so is the Watchtower Society itself. They make so many stupid things that they ought to just go in some combine and take the Kool Aid. That way, the results will come that much quicker: instead of slowly tearing apart people's lives, they will end them in minutes. Same results.

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If you are dissasosiated............

by Heather in

do the elders have to reinstate you if you start going back to meetings.

i was told a while back that you would be treated as a person on reproff with all restrictions but now i'm hearing that if i go back i will have to wait to be reinstated.....this is such bullsh**.

i really don't want to go back...but my grandmother just passed away last week and i went to the service(it was at the kh) and was able to see my family that for 4 years now has bearly talked to me...and i go to see my 2 beautiful nieces...whom i would love to have a relationship with.....so i started thinking maybe i could go to a few meetings to be able to have something to do with them.....well i went today....i was so upset earlier that i went and smoked a bit to calm me down...heeeeeeee .....so anyway....i was soo irritated and bored all the f-ing answers that some of them come up with....i guess i just keep thinking about the other side...they really do think that those of us on the outside are miserable......i was more miserable today then i have been in years just sitting there trying to pretend.

WTWizard

This is one way they hold your family hostage. If you do not want to remain a Witless and you have family in there, and you disassociate yourself, they will in fact make your family shun you until you are reinstated. This is so that they can use that as an incentive for you to go back.

To regain contact with those family members, you have to go through the whole process. You will have to bring your whole life in compliance with Watchtower standards. And you will have to show signs of being willing to give your all in the ministry once reinstated. (You might be able to fake out after you get back, but that will be held against you the next time if there ever is a next time).

And, depending on how sadistic the ~~hounders~~elders are in your hall, they could make it extra hard. If they know you value your family that much, they will likely make you wait longer or make you work more on getting your life perfectly according to Watchtower standards. (Or both). That's the way that organization likes to control people. No, you don't have to believe them. You do, however, have to acknowledge your belief in their crap. And you will have to give up things like smoking, celebrating holidays and birthdays, and the like.

It might be easier to just "stumble" the family out of the cult. Do that, and you will have them back. Of course they will be shunned by the organization. But you will not have to worry about the hoops and rules of going back to an organization that you don't believe in anymore. And you will have the satisfaction of knowing that there will be that many less disciples when they do their count: I would rather see them lose 4 or 5 members than gain one back. And their money will not be going to support that ridiculous criminal organization.

One good web site to put on their computer: www.sixscreensofthewatchtower.com . That is balanced, up to date, and they back up their claims with actual Watchtower articles from past vs. present. If they read that site, they are likely to be on their way out. And then you won't have to worry about faking belief in an organization that is out to milk you dry.

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District Conventions

by EAGLES in

i hadnt been to a d.c. in about 10 years is it really true that congragations have to sit together now????

whats up with that is it so that the elders can see who's there and who isnt.

that would blow my scam from way back when i would maybe make one half of one day and tell people i made all 4 days.

WTWizard

I have seen the seating as another "suggestion" from some unknown source. What often happens is that they will verbally issue a suggestion like this through the hounder-hounders to the congregations, or to write a vague "suggestion" such as "It might be advisable to..." in the KM inserts. What then happens is that the local congregations see these "suggestions" and decide that anyone who doesn't follow them is "spiritually weak". The effect is that they become practical requirements.

As for the seating, this means that they "suggest" that the congregations sit in the section that they are assigned to clean (hence, together). The attendants will not round up anyone who violates this, and in fact many will scatter. However, once back in the congregation, the ones who do not obey will be marked as "weak". After all, he who is unfaithful in what is least will be unfaithful in what is most as well. That usually works.

Disfellowshipped ones usually manage to find their way to the back anyway. These ones are already spiritually "dead" and have nothing to lose if they sit in the back. They will not be allowed the "privileges" of cleaning anyway, so they are usually not expected to sit with their congregation. Inactive ones might have a bit more problem here, but unless they are serious about coming back, they can usually get away with sitting pretty much where they want (as long as the section isn't roped off).

In the future, with the Kool-Aid edition of the Watchtower, they might get stricter in this area. For now, it's just a "suggestion" that will have you branded weak if you disobey. I can only hope that there will be enough people that will just blow out altogether if they can't sit where they want.

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DISORDERLY CONDUCT IN KHs

by badboy in

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friends

know any instances?

WTWizard

I have seen the following heinous crimes committed in Kingdumb Hells:
(1) Children running around in the hall before and after the session, including playing games that they should be playing outside. The elders made a big stink about it.

(2) Children eating Tic Tacs and drawing during the meetings. These were as young as 2 years old, and they are supposed to be paying rapt attention to the program.

(3) Children milling around during the assembly program. They are supposed to be sitting still for 4 or 5 hours at a time, pausing only to sing that Kingdumb S*** between sessions and to stand during those breaks.

(4) Playing on the ice on the parking lot in winter. Ditto with playing in puddles, snowbanks, and the flower bed in season.

(5) Children falling asleep during the meeting. And we are talking school children in the lower grades during the evening meetings, which do not let out until after 9:15 (and that's when they end on time: I have seen the hounder-hounders run these as late as 10:30 PM and later on school nights.) They are supposed to stay awake and pay full attention during the whole meeting.

And they wonder why they have (6) Missing the meetings.

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The world IS getting worse!!

by themonster123 in

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i'm telling you- i honestly think people are getting more immoral!!

i saw something on the news last night where some bicycler got hit in the middle of the road in the middle of a huge intersection and people were slowing down to go around him.

that was at some urban centre in tel aviv, israel.

WTWizard

Here is one reason why the world is getting worse: REGULATION. Too much regulation impedes scientific research that could lead to disease cures. Too much regulation makes our jobs stagnant. Too much regulation causes boredom because people cannot advance: this boredom causes people to take interest in promiscuity and drugs, which then "need" even more regulation to contain. And it keeps getting worse.

And yes, the Watchtower Society is part responsible for it, at least among its own members. They keep the people so stifled with rules. They make them spend all their time in the ministry. They look down on people who might like their jobs too much and then miss the meetings. And then they make the meetings so boring by pre-fabricating them. Is it any wonder why Jehovah's Witlesses sneak their drugs and smokes more than the world? They are stagnating, which means they are going to seek this release from unbearable stagnation.

Another thing is that they do not observe holidays. Which means that the year blurs into three assemblies and the Crapmorial. Everything else sort of falls in a mush. Meeting: service: meeting: service: meeting: service. Nothing to set anything apart from everything else. No enjoying setting up the Christmas tree or participating in the Easter egg hunt or the Fourth of July parade. No birthday presents. No going on vacation around Labor Day or sometime in the middle of July (they have to spend it on that snoozefest called the assembly. This is the sort of crap that leads to stagnation, followed by rebellion. Is it any wonder things are getting worse?

The solution: Cancel the regulations that burden people. If this happens, work will be enjoyable and even thrilling. Promiscuous sex and drug use will be seen as wasteful. Problems like poverty will simply disappear. And stagnation will be no more. Once that happens, we will have the kind of world that people will want to live forever in. Until then, we will not have it. And if the Craptower has its way, they will lead us into another Dark Ages so bad that the first Dark Ages would be better named the Dim Ages.