this past memorial was an exercise in waste for most people.
drive to the hall, fight for a parking space, get booted out of your seat, and then listen to a stale talk for 45 minutes.
then the big event: passing the plate of crackers and glass of spoiled grape juice.
I wonder if it's to keep them stupid. After all, a ninth-grade physics project could prove that the Flood could not have made the mountains rise or push the sea basins down, since water is lighter than rock. If anything, the water would have just floated there on the rock, being pushed up by the heavier rocks.
The idea is, keep the children sleepy at school, and they will not learn these things.
i left when i was in my teenage years, thank god, so i didn't really have the chance to bring anyone under the wts mind control.
how about you?
did you bring anyone in?...and if so, where are they now?
That I know, zilch. It is highly probable that at least one of those "Not Interested--Those F*^$ing Jehovah's Witnesses" calls turned around and ultimately saved a whole region from the ravages of www.sixscreensofthewatchtower.com , but I hope not. I never even got a study off the ground myself, and I am glad that I never did one. I got one started, but it fizzled after the first study.
As an apostate, I helped keep one study from joining. This person was working with me at the same store and was studying, and I suggested to see Six Screens of the Watchtower before making another move. Upon viewing that site, the study was blown. One down, 6,999,999 to go.
this past memorial was an exercise in waste for most people.
drive to the hall, fight for a parking space, get booted out of your seat, and then listen to a stale talk for 45 minutes.
then the big event: passing the plate of crackers and glass of spoiled grape juice.
This past Memorial was an exercise in waste for most people. Drive to the Hall, fight for a parking space, get booted out of your seat, and then listen to a stale talk for 45 minutes. Then the big event: passing the plate of crackers and glass of spoiled grape juice. Finally there is the fight to get out of the hall after.
For school children, this is another night when they don't get to bed until late. This past year, it was Monday. And Monday is a school night, meaning that these children are going to be up at 6:30 or so getting ready for school. Being that the sun doesn't go down until after 7, some congregations have to start their memorials as late as 9:00 PM. Occasionally, in northern latitudes and when the Memorial is April 15 or later, some congregations need to start as late as 10:00 PM. Imagine what time those children get home--I can imagine as late as 11:00 PM and even later. Remember, these are children that have to be up at 6:30 next morning for school.
The Memorial is just one example of when children are up late. On a regular week, they will have the service meeting end at 9:15. The most common night for this is Thursday, which means that the children are going to be getting home as late as 10:00 PM or later on a regular Thursday night. And tests are popular on Fridays. Since one of the most important things in doing well on tests is adequate sleep the night before, it's no wonder these children are going to do poorly on tests.
And that's on a regular night. Often we have company, usually about twice a year. The hounder-hounder (CO) comes in for the week. Now, twice during that week, you have meetings that let out at 9:15 or later (the children get home at 10:00 PM or later). And that's assuming it ends on time, which is often not the case. I have seen these meetings drone on until 10:30 PM, and it is a school night! This means the children are not going to get home until sometime after 11:00 PM. If they have a hounder's meeting that night, some children are not getting home much before midnight!
This might not be much of a problem for high schoolers, many of whom are often up until midnight and later on school nights. But we are talking about all children here. This includes children that are in the first and second grades, who normally have bedtimes around 7 PM. Now, would you let your children stay up 4 or 5 hours past their bedtime the night before a major unit test? I hope not.
The way this organization is set up is not meant for children. They don't give a &$*& that they have to be up for school, nor that they have tests and other school work to do. Staying up past your bedtime used to be a special treat, usually reserved for such as New Year's Eve or the last day of school, when it couldn't do any harm. But asking children to stay up past their bedtimes every week, and in some cases more than 3 hours past their bedtime, amounts to guaranteeing failure. If they have a test to take and they are tired, they are more likely to bomb it and flunk than if they have enough sleep the night before. This is yet another reason why this organization needs to come down.
i posted a thread yesterday about evolution and population since the flood, http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/134218/1.ashx and there were some arguments from the point of view of jw's that would be hard to counter....for me anyway.
but it raised some other questions that i'd like some feedback on.. namely, is it just me who thinks it's just ridiculous that noah could've collected all the animals from across the globe and got them on the ark?.
according to the united nations global biodiversity assesment, there are an estimated 1.75 million species on the planet.
I have an even more embarrassing argument against the Flood. The Witlesses claim that the weight of the water pushed up the mountains, creating a place for the water to go.
Anyone that knows anything about specific gravity knows that water is lighter than the same volume of rock. This means that one cubic decimeter of water, which weighs one kilogram, would displace one cubic decimeter of rock, which usually weighs around 2 to 2.5 kilograms. You get a net loss of 1-1.5 kg per cubic decimeter (or 1 liter) of rock displaced by a liter of water. The rock would sink.
You can do an experiment similar to this. If you pour into a bowl about 2" of water, and then pour about 1" of vegetable oil on top of this, you will see that the oil (lighter than water) will not push up the water, no matter how much oil you put on top. It will never push the water down because that would cause a net loss of energy in the system of the difference between the weight of the water and that of the oil. At equilibrium, the oil would be evenly distributed on top of the water, no matter how much you prod it to push up the water.
Likewise, since water weighs less than an equal volume of rock, water cannot push up rock by sheer weight. What would happen is that the water would simply flatten the rock, given half a chance (if the water couldn't move the rock, then you would have no effect either way). And there is no way you are going to tell me that 6 miles of water is going to push down the rock when other parts of the crust have about 20 miles of rock. Actually, the crust is thinner at the deep portions of the ocean basins, and there is less weight per cubic mile of ocean trench (counting water and rock) than there is per cubic mile of mountainous terrain. The mountains should be pushing down the rock, not the water.
This is another example of why the Watchtower Society doesn't want people to get an education. This is a ninth-grade physics puzzle, and anyone who figures it out is going to wonder if the Tower is wrong and lying about other things. (Incidently, what pushed up the mountains is continents crashing into each other, not the flood water).
the watchtower scoffs at "apostates" because they want their "so-called freedom".
not practicing this religion does give you a lot of freedom and normalcy.
what freedoms do you cherish now?
(1) Not having to worry about getting to the meetings. Meaning not having to get up (I work the late night shift) to make a 7:30 PM meeting or rush home for a morning meeting.
(2) Being able to let the end of the month come without worrying about whether I did any field service that month.
(3) Not having to go to the assemblies. That used to waste a lot of time to prepare by reserving motel rooms. The money it cost was wasted.
(4) No more dry cleaning bills or having to buy new WHITE dress shirts.
(5) Not getting stuck in service because the group wants to hold me up for several hours or for that "last call" syndrome where the last call of the day took all day.
(6) Being able to listen to real music. I have the 50 Cent CD The Massacre, and I'm sure they would have a stroke if I were back in the Tower and they found out I had it. I also have a nice collection of rap music, along with heavy metal, rock, disco, and funk. And the oldies. For the record, each time I find out that an oldie was censored, I download it and add it to my collection.
(7) Not getting a stupid talk. I have had talks that were about being happy, and I had to work on the "warmth and enthusiasm" point. And they decided that I wasn't playing happy enough.
(8) Being able to set up a Christmas tree, knowing that they call it worshiping the sun (and the Devil), and not giving a f$.
one of the things i find distasteful is what the witnesses' taste for music is.
they have the same 225 songs that they had since 1984. and many of those were carried from the previous book.. what i noticed while i was there is that none of the songs are really music.
they are so poorly written and performed that i think whoever was in charge of it just threw it together.
One of the things I find distasteful is what the Witnesses' taste for music is. They have the same 225 songs that they had since 1984. And many of those were carried from the previous book.
What I noticed while I was there is that none of the songs are really music. They are so poorly written and performed that I think whoever was in charge of it just threw it together. They are so simple: with 2 exceptions, all repeat the whole song 3 or 4 times with different lyrics. The two that are different repeat it twice. Sometimes there is a "chorus" where the words are the same in that section each time. They have one song where the last syllable is sung differently the last time than the first two; another has an extra line after the third stanza. That is all the variety they are capable of.
If the style and writing is poor, the theme is downright wretched. All of them are intended to create an extra guilt trip and goad people into putting out more service. One of them has a line inciting people to do "much study and service". Lyrics like "Loyal submission in recognition" and "We can live forever; it's worth all endeavor" are common. Obviously there are many more. None of them are any good. And many of the titles are s***: Song 18 is the worst piece of s*** I have ever heard in my life. Blessing our brotherhood? What the $#$% were they smoking when they wrote that? For sure, I wonder how it qualifies as music.
As if this wasn't bad enough, there are those who want people to just listen to these songs all the time and nothing else. The Society effectively bans listening to rap, heavy metal, and alternative music. And they banned disco, rock, and funk in 1983, as well as putting a caution on listening to oldies. What this amounts to is that they are going to hound the hounders to make sure people are listening to only Kingdumb s***. They don't quite go that far, but after the assemblies, many parents feel the need to throw everything else in the trash. Perfectly good CDs are lost.
Then there is that famous, or perhaps infamous Disc #9. This was ballyhooed as "To think they took the time to give us such beautiful music when times are this critical". It is the same remixed cat s*** as all the other songs. There is nothing "beautiful" about this "music"--this is the most pathetic excuse of "music" I have ever heard in my life! I think I will stick to rap with gunshots and swearing.
just recently, i've been getting this feeling that i just can't escape the witnesses.
i still live in the same area as i did when i was a dub, so i always see the old faces on 'theocratic' mornings.
one such old face reared his ugly head today.
I seem to keep running into them at stores when shopping or working. Yesterday, I had one try to hound me to go to the Kingdumb Hell. I knew that the store was going to close in 3 minutes, so I stalled and it worked. The security came up and said that the store was closing and the registers would shut down in 3 minutes. This witless asked "Does that mean I get the stuff free?" The answer was "No, you won't be able to get anything". I got out of getting hounded to sign my life away that time.
Then while on my way home, another Witless was washing his car, and saw me. I made sure not to hang around that spot long enough to get hounded into going to the meeting. I bet he was going out in service all day this morning--hopefully he will run into nothing but apostates at every door.
I wonder when they are going to all start coming in when the store opens and hound me into going out in service or to a meeting. I know that it is harder to escape this when the store is opening than when it is closing. Maybe when they see the Christmas tree go up this fall, they will change their tune.
hi ya'll - this subject might've been addressed before, but i missed it if it was.
my daughter and i were talking the other day about how it's taught by the witnesses that anything one might buy from a yard sale, garage sale, or ebay(lol) - could be 'infected' with demons.
when dd was studying, the sister told her a first-person account that a tupperware bowl she'd bought at a garage sale that supposedly wreaked havoc in her home - she was physically attacked by an incubus-type demon - and it all stopped when she threw away that plastic bowl.. perhaps the best defense against them is indifference... i don't know.
I believe that indifference is in fact the best defense against demon possession. Why? The Watchtower Society programs people to believe in demons, and that is what causes effects to be taken for demons. Strange noises that are caused by wind or critters are taken for demons. And it's because they are programmed to believe it, so they immediately think "DEMONS!" instead of trying to find out why things are weird.
No, I don't believe in demons possessing Tupperware. What you do have to worry about is cleanness of the insides. If you buy it secondhand, soaking it in bleach will make sure you don't get exposed to germs (which can cause a lot more damage than demons). Other than that (and making sure it doesn't leak), buying things secondhand is perfectly harmless. Just make sure you are not getting something that has hidden defects--with Tupperware, that is close to impossible.
Yes I do have a Ouija board. I went out and bought it specifically to slap Jehovah's face. I never had a demon affect that thing. And Ouija boards are said to be the favorite articles for demons to possess; if my Ouija board is not possessed, then Tupperware ought to be quite safe.
when i first started on this forum typing was not really a natural activity for me it was slow and i didn't have the patience to write long posts as i would have liked.
now i got used to it a lot better so i don't mind typing long posts more often.
what sort of experiences do other jwd members?
My typing speed is quite good (I don't know how fast for sure, but it is probably close to 50-60 words per minute). The problem is accuracy. Often I will type the wrong key, or have to think of which letter to hit. Either way, that slows me down quite a bit. At least I have the Backspace key to clean up most of these stupid mistakes before they get posted.
Here is one place where I wish I could type 180 or 200 words per minute with perfect accuracy and post as fast. I feel the Watchtower Society needs all the embarrassment they can get, and the more integrated posts I can create, the faster it will help yet others to integrate various facets of the Watchtower and ultimately lead to its demise as no one wants to come in.
maybe during an interview, "hey, i'm a jw", you can trust me....lol.
the elders always told us that jehovah's name opens doors.. well, not in my case, how about you?.
If anything, it was a disadvantage. What usually happened was I lost out on many an opportunity for just about everything. But, when approached for homosexual contact, the guys doing the approaching of me didn't give a &^$) either way, and neither did anyone else. As for the honesty aspect, all it did was to put a big target on me for petty offenses that a white lie would likely have worked as well.
In public, it is an embarrassment more than anything else. Being a Jehovah's Witless doesn't protect you from crime, scams, or anything else. If anything, the criminals are more likely to pick on a Witless because they are less likely to fight back.
