Posts by BEROEAN

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Conversation with a JW

by VanillaMocha73 in

i wrote: .

i saw your email address on the post about the arson at your church.

i was wondering if you could answer some questions about your church?

Ask me anything you want. And BTW, 144,000 would be Kings and Preists residing in heaven (Rev. 14:3,4 see also ). Jehovah has established a government that will usher in that new earth in which righteousness will dwell. It's that same knigdom that most members of christendom pray for, "our Father who art in heaven let thy kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven." (Matt. 6:10). Seeing how most countries have a governmental structure, it isn't far-fetched that Jehovah would use a similar structure during Christs' thousand year reign. The rest of obedient mankind as well as those ressurected ones that never had a chance to learn of Jehovah's righteous standards would eventually grow to perfection like our first parents Adam and Eve (Rev. 7:9). The way Jehovah originally intended for mankind and for the earth (Gen 1:28, Ps. 104:5). Jesus, along with the 144K would open up new scrolls for these individuals to live by and would also rid the earth of those who willfully chose to disobey those laws (Ps. 37:11 and Rev. 21:1-4) . So, the 144k are NOT the only ones that will receive "salvation". This erroneous belief of JWs is usually spewed and regurgitated by those who haven't really took the time to talk to a mature JW. I could walk into a nursing home and pick out a senile catholic, ask her a bunch of questions, and draw my own conclusions about ALL catholics. Perhaps your questions are sincere. But, why ask them to a person that is studying and then post the unsuspecting persons comments on here for fodder?

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Curious about what ExJW's Preach and Teach

by BEROEAN in

i've noticed many of you that have your own ministry.

i'm curious as to what doctrines you teach.

is it "jesus is love.

BEROEAN

Nathan Natas (or is it Satan),

You give yourself way too much credit. I'm a big boy. There's nothing you can post on this board that will "frighten" me.

The "annoying" jury is still out.

Perhaps it's the inability to reconcile human suffering and a belief in God?

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I can't believe they just sat there...

by troubled mind in

saturday i photographed a witness wedding .

during the part about the woman's role the speaker made the comment to the new bride ,"don't try to manipulate your husband .....we know how you women can be ...!".

my jaw noticeably dropped and i uddered " what the heck " as i looked around to look for support from other women there,.

BEROEAN

I remember being at a Catholic wedding and they couldn't find the Preist. They found him doing the Altar boy in the rectory! The stupid parishoners just stood there baffled! Finally a Nun blurts out, "Timmy wanted to know if he could take an A-N-N-A-L"! The church filled with laughter and little Timmy learned a valuable lesson that day.

Another time, I remember my brother and his fiance going over some pre-wedding counseling with their baptist minister when the minister started asking sexual questions! When he wanted my brothers fiance to demonstrate with a banana, my brother punched the minister! Come to find out, Rev. Fairchild had made it a habit of giving unsuspecting young wives some of his "Sword of Salavation".

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Curious about what ExJW's Preach and Teach

by BEROEAN in

i've noticed many of you that have your own ministry.

i'm curious as to what doctrines you teach.

is it "jesus is love.

BEROEAN

I've noticed many of you that have your own ministry. I'm curious as to what doctrines you teach. Is it "Jesus is Love." and that's it or does it go deeper? If you could, please post your basic beliefs concerning these topics:

1. What happens to a person when they die?

2. Who is God and what is his name?

3. Why is there suffering in the world?

4. How did we get here?

5. According to the Bible, is it okay to participate in wars and politics?

6. Is the Devil real? If so, where did he come from?

7. According to your religion, is it okay to smoke marijuana?

8. According to your religion, is it okay to have pre-marital sex?

9. According to your religion, how do God feel about homosexuals?

10. Does God talk to you personally?

Thanks for your serious responses.

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Arguments JW's can't argue with.....I think???

by Adolfius in

these are just a couple of arguments i think would cause any half sane jw (if any current and actively brainwashed "true believer" could ever be described as sane), to stop and think for themselves.. thinking person: is the bible and the events it describes true and factual?.

jw: yes.....to the letter.. thinking person: could evolution be true?.

jw: no way.. thinking person: ok, so i just want to get this perfectly clear; evolution in no way happened, is happening, or possibly ever will happen?

BEROEAN

Here's an argument I like to use with an evolutionist:

Me: So you say God doesn't exist, but life evolved from some primordial soup right?

Epicurus: That's right. Life came into existence by accident in this mechanical universe.

Me: So, it all started with this massive explosion; "Big Bang"?

Epicurus: Sure nuff!

Me: But, can life come from inanimate matter?

Epicurus: Naw! The simple celled life forms were already there.

Me: Who created those? I mean they just don't pop up from nowhere do they?

Epicurus: No, they were created, NO!....I mean...they were already here!

Me: Okay...we've established that, but how did they get here?

Epicurus: Science hasn't figured that out yet.

Me: Oh! Science hasn't figured it out. Well, let's say we fill this box with a bunch of inanimate things. We'll turn it in a tumbler and wait until we get a simple life form. How long will it take?

Epicurus: Ummm...I reckon...I don't know......a cajillion years? Maybe never?

Me: Well life had to get it's start from somewhere. How did it get here?

Epicurus: Man you just don't get it! You just gotta believe man!

It's interesting how so many individuals on this board think those who are JW's were "raised in the truth". There are many JW's that once belonged to other denominations (I was raised baptist). Yet, the hypocrisy in those denominations is always clouded over by "Just be-lieve in Jesus!". I can sit here and spew fact after fact about the baptist faith until your head spinned, but that's not my mo. Instead, I focus on the positives. And, without a doubt, I can say that as a JW my life and my family is 100% better than before JW. Yes, I know about the "Society's history". At 28 years old, I studied for three and one half years before I made up my mind to get baptized. And during those years, I would bring "Apostate" literature out and show it to my Bible study conductor. Initially, I did it with the mindset that I was going to "enlighten" these poor individuals. Instead, every question that I had for them was answered using the Bible and even showing how the FDS corrected past errors. You know, afterall, they are made up of IMPERFECT men. Furthermore, doesn't the Bible give acoounts of the Apostles making mistakes and later correcting them? To this day, I still keep proving if what i'm learning is in line with the Bible. Which, of course, I have always heard from day one, "THE BIBLE IS THE AUTHORITY.". What is my purpose for coming on this board? In essence, to ask that same question to you. Why are you so consumed with JWs? In a world of some 6 billion people, don't you find it odd to be consumed with one tenth of one percent of the worlds population? The majority, of which, are adults that CHOSE to become JWs? At any time a JW can leave and many do to the tune of nearly 50K annually in the US alone. In my 15 years as a witness, I have seen many persons "leave the truth". The great majority of them are never happy afterward. They carry this feeling of rejection and anger around like a scorned woman. Why? What drives most of you that were once "in the truth" to such an obsession? If I decided, for some reason, to leave the "truth", I would leave, not look back, and get on with my life. Is it the lack of family contact, because since you left, they won't "associate" with you? What do you think my family did when I announced I was becoming one of JW's? Did I start lambasting the Baptist Church because my family didn't come to my first no. 2 talk? No. Did I start up a web site dedicated to "Exposing" the deacons, preachers, and their delinquent children when my uncle told me I was not allowed in his house? No. Maybe, some how this is therapy for you. I don't know. But, what I do know is that too many people spend far too much time worrying about things they shouldn't. Acts 5:38,39.