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If Bush Used Nuclear Weapons On Iran Should He Be Tried As A War Criminal?

by frankiespeakin in

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what do you think?

should he be put on trial before a world court?

Adolfius

Stop showing how ignorant you are, and do a little research before you spout BS.

Frankie, I'm not ignorant. What you're showing is not news. It's speculation....otherwise known as no news, news.

"president bush has not ruled out using nuclear weapons against Iran". That doesn't mean he said he was going to use them.

It's like having a headline "Bush hasn't ruled out becoming a heroine addict!" Your interpretation would be that it must mean his is going to become a heroine addict.

This is just typical of the idiot media. There's no news, nothing important has happened so they make something out of nothing just to get a sensationalist reaction from people.

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Keeping donations.

by LtCmd.Lore in

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okay, ever since i learned the truth about the org i stopped asking householders for donations.

i don't want them to support the worldwide work, or waste their money.. but, i was just wondering what the legal ramifications would be of asking for donations... and keeping them for myself.. i realise that i would have to change what i say... i wouldn't say: "if you'd like to make a small donation to the worldwide work i'd be happy to accept it.".

because that would be illegal, like keeping charity money or something.. i'd have to say something like: "if you'd like to make a contribution to cover the expenses, i'd be happy to accept it.

Adolfius

I'm not sure about how legal it is, but who's ever going to know? I used to keep some of the money as a young teenager and I've never been arrested (not for that anyway ) and nothing has come out of the sky and struck me down as punshment. If I was still doing the "good work" I'd definitely be keeping the money for myself. Like you said, it's not profit, just covering your expenses.

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If Bush Used Nuclear Weapons On Iran Should He Be Tried As A War Criminal?

by frankiespeakin in

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friends

what do you think?

should he be put on trial before a world court?

Adolfius

Apearently you don't read or follow the news.

What? Has he just launched a strike? What have I missed?

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If Bush Used Nuclear Weapons On Iran Should He Be Tried As A War Criminal?

by frankiespeakin in

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friends

what do you think?

should he be put on trial before a world court?

Adolfius

Frankie, what is it with you and George Bush and the military? Did Georgey boy come round your house with a general friend and beat up on your family? Every thread you start is completely pre-occupied with one or the other.

If Bush launched an un-provoked attack on Iran with Nuclear weapons........yes he should be tried, but I think you're clutching at straws thinking something like that will ever happen.

What you have to remember is the American people voted that fool in democratically. He leads America because the American people asked him to. He's never done anything unlawfully. Every action he takes or order he gives, first has to get approval from the elected senate and congress. Even the war in Iraq was done with the full backing of a UN mandate, and the troops are still there at the request of the democratically elected Iraqi government. It may all look a bit suspect, but technically he's done everything within the law and is almost 100% certain to continue operating within the law.

You've obviously got a personal gripe with el presidente, but your question seems to be more about trying to make your point that you hate Mr Bush rather than a genuinely constructive question. I get the impression you only want one answer.....YES!!!!

Here are some more erroneous questions:

Should Nelson Mandela be tried as a criminal if he ever walks into a primary school and starts butchering 3 year olds any time in the future?

Should members of Green Peace be tried as criminals if one day in the future they decide saving the earth isn't for them anymore and they destroy every oil tanker and refinery on the planet, spilling vast amounts of oil and kill the entire life of the sea?

Should the Queen of England be tried as a criminal if one day whilst meeting smiling crowds, she accepts a bunch of flowers from a well wisher and then proceeds to decapitate said well wisher with a large machete she was concealing in her hat?

Ridiculous questions that clearly have only one answer, but are pointless because the events will never happen.

Frankie, leave George Bush alone. Pleeeeeaaase!!!

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How do you think God feels about atheists? Angry? Amused?

by AlmostAtheist in

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hey guys, .

have you ever considered what god thinks about atheists?

assume for a moment that he/she/it is there: what's the reaction to non-believers?

Adolfius

RELIEF!!!

He must feel relief that we don't blame this mess on him. Probably wishes there were more of us.

"If only they all thought this was just random chance. Those pesky christians going round telling everyone this was all my fault........they're not doing my reputation any good you know."

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Madeleine parents to meet the pope

by Adolfius in

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just heard on the news that the parents of the missing four year old in portugal, are going to have have a private service with the pope.

apparently god is helping them with their ordeal.. is it just me being sceptical, but how can they possibly think god is loving and caring helping them with this, when he let the tragedy happen in the first place.

so he lets a small girl be kidnapped by a paedophile, but shows his love by giving the parents the strength to cope.

Adolfius

Just heard on the news that the parents of the missing four year old in Portugal, are going to have have a private service with the pope. Apparently God is helping them with their ordeal.

Is it just me being sceptical, but how can they possibly think god is loving and caring helping them with this, when he let the tragedy happen in the first place. So he lets a small girl be kidnapped by a paedophile, but shows his love by giving the parents the strength to cope. What a great guy!

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Similarities Between The Watchtower And The Military?

by The wanderer in

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similarities between the watchtower and the military?the commander who was in charge, raised his weapon and ordered the solider.

to kill all civilians and when the solider questioned his commander and refused.

the order to kill all civilians his commander killed him.

Adolfius

Yes there is absolutely similarities between the two. In fact there are similarities with every organisation or society and the military. It's just discipline and control.

Every single business, government or even childrens club has the same thing...... a set of rules that you have to adhere to or face consequences or punishment. It's the only way an organised, structured collective can operate.

A country has laws and rules; you either obey them and stick to them or you get a fine or go to prison.

A business has the same things; a code of conduct, dress rules, acceptible behaviour in the office etc. If you break the rules you get fired.

A childs football club has rules. If you go and decide to start playing tennis, you get kicked out of the club and told to join another one instead.

It's very easy to look at the military or the JWs and other cults as being very totalitarian or different in their approach to control, but they actually just use the same techniques as every other group on the planet. If you have a group of people who are going to live, work or co-exist together in any way, you have to have rules and some incentive/punishment to make people stick to the rules. This applies to society in general as much as it does to the witlesses or military. Without this control you'd be left with anarchy. I don't think it's a coincidence that all human cultures (large or small) as well as some animals that live in groups, have adopted a hierarchy system with "ranks" and rules.

Of course I'm not saying the rules and punishments the JWs use are good, normal or acceptible, but they're not doing anything different to anyone else in terms of their tactics.

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Why do people hide on this site?

by Adolfius in

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something i've noticed when reading the various threads on this site, is that so many people seem to be afraid.

their scared of being disfellowshipped, scared of being shunned, scared of not being accepted by the congregation, scared that people may find out they don't believe anymore, scared if anyone was to find out they use this site.

there is advice for people on how to avoid being disfellowshipped, if they may have "said too much" about their thoughts, or how to fade without being noticed.. i don't understand this.

Adolfius

Adolfius----it makes no difference to your life...and here is where you are very forunate!!

I'm glad you're in ignorance of potential consequences...it's shows that your own circumstances are relatively 'safe'

Yes I realise my experience is very different to most, and I've never had to deal with the fact that all my friends are witnesses and I would lose them if I left. My childhood friends within the borg were forgotten about within a matter of weeks of leaving so I haven't had to deal with the adult life perspective that you all have. Having spent my entire adult life in the "world", if I don't like or agree with something, I can easily take a contrary position and tell it how I see it without fear of comebacks. I know that is more difficult if your "life" is the borg.

It's interesting to see the posts on here as I was genuinely interested in how deeply the WTS influences or controls lives. It's something I've never really experienced.

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Why do people hide on this site?

by Adolfius in

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something i've noticed when reading the various threads on this site, is that so many people seem to be afraid.

their scared of being disfellowshipped, scared of being shunned, scared of not being accepted by the congregation, scared that people may find out they don't believe anymore, scared if anyone was to find out they use this site.

there is advice for people on how to avoid being disfellowshipped, if they may have "said too much" about their thoughts, or how to fade without being noticed.. i don't understand this.

Adolfius

I guess I'm quite lucky that I walked away as a teenager, and it's kind of just been accepted as if I was never really "in".

It seems so strange to me that people are so brainwashed that they would honestly shun and ignore their own family members just on the basis of having different beliefs. Families in the "world" stick by each other and forgive, even after one has committed terrible crimes like murder........the family thing is so strong that they can't abandon each other even under terrible circumstances. Yet in the borg, people will go completely against their natural feelings, and almost pretend a family member never existed just because they have what amounts to a simple difference of opinion. How does that work? How can the borg exercise such control?

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Why do people hide on this site?

by Adolfius in

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friends

something i've noticed when reading the various threads on this site, is that so many people seem to be afraid.

their scared of being disfellowshipped, scared of being shunned, scared of not being accepted by the congregation, scared that people may find out they don't believe anymore, scared if anyone was to find out they use this site.

there is advice for people on how to avoid being disfellowshipped, if they may have "said too much" about their thoughts, or how to fade without being noticed.. i don't understand this.

Adolfius

Something I've noticed when reading the various threads on this site, is that so many people seem to be afraid. Their scared of being disfellowshipped, scared of being shunned, scared of not being accepted by the congregation, scared that people may find out they don't believe anymore, scared if anyone was to find out they use this site. There is advice for people on how to avoid being disfellowshipped, if they may have "said too much" about their thoughts, or how to fade without being noticed.

I don't understand this. Why not just tell people you think it's a load of crap and you're not interested anymore? Why continue to try and please people and an organisation that you know to be false?

I know of people who have done the "fade" thing because they "want to keep the peace". They don't want the hassle of elders calling at the house, or the stigma of being disfellowshipped etc. Why not just tell them you're leaving and they're not to come to your house, and you don't care about their punishments?

What does it matter if a made up religion gives you a made up label of DF'd........it's not real! To me it's like my little boy telling me I can't be in his gang anymore; it's just something to laugh at the childishness, and it makes no difference to my life.

Now none of this is criticism, I'm just genuinely interested in why this sort of thing seems to effect sp many people. I was never in the borg as an adult, so haven't had the same experiences as most of you, so may not understand the full control the borg has. I'm just curious as to cuases this sort of thing.