Posts by fresia

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Is the Watchtower Society in serious financial diffiCULTy?

by cultswatter in

just to summarize:.

wt format change saves one wt mag per month.

no anouncment of the dc theme.

fresia

They will get as many b/s to use their own time and resources to help jack up the WTS, the amount of unpaid work and time that the b/s do for Bethel, quick builds, literature placements (we pay and never get a cent back usually as we don't ask for donations, but our conscience makes us pay for the literature of the WTS) the cleaning of the halls, maintenance, petrol shoe money and the list goes on, now we do this out of love for God hopefully, and should not complain then, God love a cheerful giver, we are always reminded of that.

Now we have four contribution box's in the KH, an extra one was put in about six months ago, this was for the international KH building, but the other box was supposed to be for the World wide work, so they have to box's supposedly for the same thing but under a different name. They should just say the fourth box is for monies back from payments to child abuse victims. But that of course would cause a riot, or would it.

So I only give for literature and KH for electricity and other things, that's it.

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The Orwellian World of JWs and Oral Sex

by BizzyBee in

a great read - the orwellian world of jehovah's witnesses - just got it yesterday and i'm halfway through - hard to put down.. the following quote triggered the connection with the oral sex article.

the authors are discussing the fact that the wts avoided addressing the failed prophecy of 1975 (until 1980), and instead, from 1977-79, focused elsewhere:.

"concern began to focus more and more heavily upon theological interpretations of 'good behavior' - of what was demanded by god if jehovah's witnesses were to retain or regain jehovah's approval.

fresia

The idea is to make the law so hard to keep that everyone becomes a secret lawbreaker.

It is controlling, and the law is the law, and we brake the law in the solitude of hidden room, where no one can see our terrible act, yet God does and he feels sad that we feel so unworthy because of the pharisaic laws of the WTS, it makes hs Son's sacrifice of no value.

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2008 Feb 15 - Study Edition PDF

by AlphaOmega in

here it is : feb 15 2008 study edition.

http://files-upload.com/files/671272/2008-02-15%20watchtower%20study%20edition%20ocr.pdf.

with many thanks again to fokyc for the scans.

fresia

I hope that it hasn't become an advertising logo WTBTS I don't think it has. It is too small.

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2008 Feb 15 - Study Edition PDF

by AlphaOmega in

here it is : feb 15 2008 study edition.

http://files-upload.com/files/671272/2008-02-15%20watchtower%20study%20edition%20ocr.pdf.

with many thanks again to fokyc for the scans.

fresia

As I said, I DO know you from other forums... but I've learnt the hard way about cross-posting from different forums, so I won't do it this time (remember the chaos last time?).
...and YES, I know that you are distancing yourself from the organisation in order to stay faithful to God.
...and YES, I know that you do not represent the Watchtower, but you are one of many who has a toe in and a toe out of the organisation. You may have the best of both worlds, but that is not what is on offer at the doorstep.
What IS on offer is total commitment to the organisation - otherwise people are seen as "spiritually weak" etc.
Okay, I guess this is what it boils down to :
Does God/Jehovah/Yahweh/Creator actually want us to be loyal to HIM or to an ORGANISATION claiming to represent him. You can't do both... (You can't have two masters according to Jesus).
You know all those little things that don't make sense about the Watchtower ?
Well, they all start to fall into place when you stop thinking of the Watchtower as a religion and start thinking of it as a business. Businesses seek to grow and protect themselves.
The preaching message of this business is incidental - it has just become an advertising slogan - it is no longer the driving force from the top. It may well be with the Publishers on the ground, but the directive from the top is "survive".
Which makes me think of something... what do you call someone who works for a Publishing Company ? A publisher.
When did Jesus ever say that ? Don't you see how they have slipped things like this in and it all becomes somehow "normal" ?

Well I would have to agree with you......but with all of what you say....I can see that this organization does use its resources and volunteer's to preach God's Kingdom.

Also I may add that there teaching about the truth of who Jehovah and his Son is the Kingdom is paramount to me.

I honestly believe that JW have the truth, regardless of the imperfect org, which by the way publishes teachings from God's word and helps Gods' people.

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Jan 2008 Kingdom Ministry Quote

by AlphaOmega in

this struck me as a nice way to bolster the numbers.. isn't this "preaching to the converted" ?.

is this new or is it just reiterating old news ?.

question box.

fresia

when i studied to be a JW (Sept2006-Feb2007----got baptized March2007) i studied out of the "What does the Bible really teach" book. my conductor would give me hundreds of old magazines and would drag our 1 hour study out to 4 hours....just yapping away!!! i finally figured out what she was doing.....so when she suggested i go into the second publication i said no i am ready to be baptized so you can't take advantage of me in order to increase your time and magazine count. too bad i didnt spend all that time reading the bible myself i wouldnt be in all this mess!!!! the mandatory second publication is prolly to help the pioneers get their 60 hours a month without too much exertion.....

awwwwwwwwww.. I think you are full of crap

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2008 Feb 15 - Study Edition PDF

by AlphaOmega in

here it is : feb 15 2008 study edition.

http://files-upload.com/files/671272/2008-02-15%20watchtower%20study%20edition%20ocr.pdf.

with many thanks again to fokyc for the scans.

fresia

I thought the generation was a good interpretation, they really got out of that OK, what do you think?
What interpretation did you think was best? The one that Rutherford taught, the one that Freddy Franz taught,the reinterpretation by the GB in 95 or "the new light"of 2008
I just consider it a blessing and privilege to be ASSociated with such a progressive organization...

I was having a lend that's all. I thought it was a good excuse, many will cop this, that's all I meant, I don't personally believe it.

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2008 Feb 15 - Study Edition PDF

by AlphaOmega in

here it is : feb 15 2008 study edition.

http://files-upload.com/files/671272/2008-02-15%20watchtower%20study%20edition%20ocr.pdf.

with many thanks again to fokyc for the scans.

fresia

Got it.
Fresia... I have just worked out who you are on other forums.
Surely with what you know about the appalling behavior of the GB, you can see that this religion does not have God's backing anymore (if it did at all).
I am surprised that you defend them so much.
As I said in my above post - many of the individuals are great - then they start to become Representatives of the Watchtower rather than God... (yes, I'm sure you've see it happen - judicial, police state tactics, enforcement of the "letter of the law" over the "spirit of the law" etc).
Surely taking attention away from God in that manner makes them the modern day Golden Calf ?
...and the offer of a PM or an e-mail is still there.

I think you are all going overboard about the WT for the b/s only I wish you would see the good, seems everyone on here looks for faults constantly.

It doesn't matter who I am, but I am not a representative of the WT, I know you think that and its very frustrating for me because I honestly don't want to represent anyone but God. Alpha I think I am staying faithful to Jehovah not the WT.

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2008 Feb 15 - Study Edition PDF

by AlphaOmega in

here it is : feb 15 2008 study edition.

http://files-upload.com/files/671272/2008-02-15%20watchtower%20study%20edition%20ocr.pdf.

with many thanks again to fokyc for the scans.

fresia

Thanks but no thanks. I have read enough of their lies.

So does that mean you no longer are interested in reading the magazines, not just an itty bitty look, you don't want to read any more of their lies, then go, and don't come back on to any JW forums in case some b/s may say something from a magazine or book published by the WTS, and amazingly it is a bible scripture, but because it was quoted by the WTS its not worth looking at.

Do you feel the same way about the literature of other denominations that sell in shops for staggering prices, or perhaps the pamphlets and little prayer books handed out at Church's, not to mention the plate being passed around a few times. Yes lets all bash the JW's and forget they basically they live good clean moral lives, and teach their children to do the same, from God's word. And yes it does come in the WT as well, God stike me I didn't know that, I though the WT was evil with terrible things on how to abuse your neighbor and defraud tax, be dishonest and cheat at school work and other terrible things.

Go and pick on someone else, this forum is for those that hate JW's, are embittered and BA that love the trinity. Thats it all the apostates that have been disfellowshiped, e'x JW's and BA or any others join in this forum and bash them up for being murdering neighbors people that you can;t live next door to because they are so noisy and horrible, you know work mates that you cant trust the JW horrible, and they were all taught this by the WTS, which of course does not follow Christ, that is why all the members are rotten.

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2008 Feb 15 - Study Edition PDF

by AlphaOmega in

here it is : feb 15 2008 study edition.

http://files-upload.com/files/671272/2008-02-15%20watchtower%20study%20edition%20ocr.pdf.

with many thanks again to fokyc for the scans.

fresia

When the public version comes out can someone post that too. I'm really interested in why they want to different versions coming out. What are they hiding

They are not hiding anything, why are you so worried? really this is so silly, sensationalism. The public version of the WT just doesn't have the beefier study articles, with JW jargon like pioneer. CO, PO, pioneer special pioneer, things people in the territory don't undersand.I think its a long time coming, we should have our own WTS personal, the new mags for the public are wonderful with fantastic articles especially about God's Kingdom, as the heading says Announcing Gods Kingdom. Jehovah has made sure that those outside of God's organization are being given their spiritual food regulary as well, so rejoice.

There is no secrecy any one can come to the meeting on Sundays and sit and listen and read sharing the mags with the b/s and answer up if they want, anyone. So no secrecy just stupid apostates making mountains out of molehills. Relax you are welcome at our KH any time.

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2008 Feb 15 - Study Edition PDF

by AlphaOmega in

here it is : feb 15 2008 study edition.

http://files-upload.com/files/671272/2008-02-15%20watchtower%20study%20edition%20ocr.pdf.

with many thanks again to fokyc for the scans.

fresia

Oh give Alpha a pat on the back for this as most wont be able to get it seeing it is only for those in good standing within the congregations.

I thought the generation was a good interpretation, they really got out of that OK, what do you think?

You seem to get around quite a bit on the forums Alpha I guess you will be the hit of the party with this, but then again its so slow its funny. I find the whole invasion desperate, everyone wants a piece of the action, something to keep their unfulfilled lives on the WTS bubbling on for them, they can't move on and wont. Why? this is exciting for them, they glimpse into the magazine in the guise of bashing them and bringing them down.

No one bothers to care about the people that they are mostly descent folk. How unchristian of you all. I think you are all a bunch of losers with no life after the WT.