Posts by lalliv01

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Staying a Christian Upon Leaving

by serotonin_wraith in

so you found out the jehovah's witness religion/cult was bogus.

congratulations, it's a step in the right direction.

now all you have to do is escape the cult of christianity.. while other christian groups are (perhaps arguably) less controlling (on the whole), the foundation christianity rests on is bogus too.

lalliv01

Serotonin wraith,

I personally can't find fault with anything you've said. IMO, you're right, believers can't prove the existence of a god, a trinity of gods,

or a pantheon of gods,but you're arguing against people of FAITH. There's no argument against faith. Faith is not based on facts,

material objects,or even past or present events. Faith means believing in something that has no material or scientific proof. How can

you argue (help) someone like that? You can't because if you somehow manage to convince or convert that person then that person

never really had faith, you've accomplished nothing. I,personally, believe, and have faith, in a Creator because I just cannot believe

that the universe made itself.

I understand Stephen Hawkings is now theorizing that our universe was squeezed out, through a black hole, from an adjacent and

previously existent universe. Scientists,nobody,can answer my question. Therefore, I have faith accompanied by hope. Proof? None.

You well know that if I could introduce you to the Person which is God,then I would have NO NEED of faith, and neither would you.

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What did you not like about the paradise?

by reneeisorym in

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i have always loved it when the seasons changes.

i was always told that we would have temerate weather all of the time and the seasons wouldn't chage.

i always thought i would miss the changing leaves, budding flowers after it has been so cold, and the snow.

lalliv01

Well, if Adam and Eve hadn't sinned, I suppose mankind would now be living on a paradise earth.

I don't know if we'd be a part of it, but should we perhaps be happy they sinned? Of course, things,

such as the bible and meetings and field service etc, would not exist,would they?

Just joining in on the thoughts on this topic.

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An email from my Dad on Bible Chronology - Armegeddon's arrival

by eclipse in

i cannot provide any background info on my dad except to say that he is not an attender anymore, but is not apostate.. years ago, my dad showed me why he thought 1975 was wrong, and he gave me a date like 2011, 2012...back in 2004.. it actually made sense to me back then, and obve's posts reminded me of my dad's calculations..... only my dad's calculations were not based on addition or multiplying of random crazy numbers, .

but actually were logical assumptions based on the scriptures as he understood them.. here is his email to me...it might be lengthy, but it is easy to follow and understand.

(sorry for the large font, it was the font he used in the email.

lalliv01

Hi Eclipse. I enjoyed reading your dad's letter to you, and the info. it contained. I think your dad

really cares about you, it shows by the way he "talks" to you in the letter. I,at one time,

reasoned just like your dad, so I know where he's coming from.

He allowed 30 years time for Adam to live without a mate, maybe because people in

Jesus' time believed that a male in their society became a man at 30. But, what if Adam lived

100 yrs. before God created Eve? No one knows how many years Adam lived before a mate

was created for him.

JW's believe the millenium will coincide with the last thousand years of God's 7th day,which they

believe is 7000 years in length. The year 1914 did not enter into your dad's discussion. He was

dealing with the first 6000 yrs. of the seventh day. The Bible, in Luke chapter 3, tells us Jesus'

genealogy all the way back to Adam so calculating the years from Adam to Jesus shouldn't be

that difficult.

However, if creation actually began 14 billion years ago, the length of the creative days need to

be adjusted from 7000 yrs. to some other figure.

lalliv01

P.S.: about 1914, I meant your dad wasn't using 1914 vis-a-vis 587/607 to figure the end of

6000 yrs. of the 7th creative day.

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Well it's official: free2think is no longer part of the congregation

by free2think in

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as some of you may know i am fading.

well my dad, an elder, has now said that i am no longer part of the congregation, woohoo.

i am not da'd or df'd or reproved so my question is what does that mean?

lalliv01

F2T:

I'm with Nvr. on what he said. I also think that if you live a quiet and moral life, the JW's won't

bother you. If,however, you lead a life of "loose conduct", I assure you, you will be noticed and

"reported" to the BOE. I am certainly NOT saying anything bad about you,Just giving you a tip

from my experiences. Enjoy your freedom and make them envy you.

Lalliv01

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Resurrection soon after armageddon or 1000 years after it?

by greendawn in

can anyone explain why the wts claims that faithful dubs will be resurrected soon after armageddon when to the contrary the book of revelation plainly states that the resurrection of anyone other than the saints will occur after 1000 years?

that is 1000 years after the saints begin ruling on earth which will occur at or shortly before armageddon.

let's remember that rightly or wrongly most dubs do not believe that they are in the class of the saints or anointed as they call them.

lalliv01

I would like to clarify that in my previous statement I was refering to all humans with an

earthly destiny,not Christ's brothers who have a heavenly hope. They of course have

immortality as their reward as soon as they are resurrected. People who are given an

opportunity at everlasting life,at the end of the millenium,are not, in my belief, immortal,

self sustaining.

lalliv01

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Resurrection soon after armageddon or 1000 years after it?

by greendawn in

can anyone explain why the wts claims that faithful dubs will be resurrected soon after armageddon when to the contrary the book of revelation plainly states that the resurrection of anyone other than the saints will occur after 1000 years?

that is 1000 years after the saints begin ruling on earth which will occur at or shortly before armageddon.

let's remember that rightly or wrongly most dubs do not believe that they are in the class of the saints or anointed as they call them.

lalliv01

I believe that all descendants of Adam,with the exception of Jesus,were condemned to death when Adam was

condemned to death; in the day Adam ate the forbidden fruit he was a "dead man walking", which included all of us.

Ever since then all of mankind were "dead men walking" and nobody has ever,ever, had a chance to live forever.

The first opportunity for "life",life without death, will only be a possibility AFTER the millenium. Until then,life

without death in our future is truly an impossability. Death and hades will hound us until after the millenium and

only then will we really live.

Just my beliefs people, I don't wish to debate. Thanks.

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you are the evil slave class!

by tula in

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well, that's where this idiot tells my friend i am getting my information.

so when did "apostates" rate a whole class of their own?

i have never heard about this before.. this idiot is a jw wannabe.

lalliv01

This doctrine grew out of the split that occured after JFR took over the WB&TS. At that time, yes all apostates were Evil Slave. The doctrine has not been updated to include non-exanointed JWs.

I might be wrong here,but I think the WTS changed that thinking (new light) and later stated that there never has been an "evil slave class."

I don't have any of my old WT publications, so I can't research it, but maybe someone here on this site can research this. I am amazed

at how well informed the people on this site are. If a person makes a definite statement on this site, others want proof (documentation).

I hope someone comes forth with some info on this, if you do, thanks.

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SURVEY: Who Believes In "God"?

by minimus in

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and by that i mean the supreme being or jehovah or jesus or buddah or whatever you might consider to be "god".

lalliv01

I do. I agree with what anewme said and I'll add that the HOPE I have

is an important part of my being. I am led to understand that some of

you have no hope for your future other than an eternal dirt nap. If that is so,

I don't really understand that,yet.

shawn10538, WHAT???? LOL

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This is not a goodbye thread.

by eclipse in

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just letting all you fine folks on jwd that i will be going offline for a while.

not for personal reasons, just technical issues.

i will be completely offline and unable to access the net.. so i will not be able to contact anyone via email either.. i dont know when i will be back.

lalliv01

I'll miss reading your posts,Eclipse. Hasta luego.

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Very very troubling

by nvrgnbk in

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collecting of details on travelers documentedu.s.

effort more extensive than previously known.

by ellen nakashimawashington post staff writer .

lalliv01

It's my believe that the best thing this country has going for it is the CONSTITUTION and

THE BILL OF RIGHTS which are the supreme law of the land,more so than the bible or any

other document. I hope all political parties,jurists,et. al.,make sure that no one fails to abide

by the supreme laws and principles MANDATED by these documents. If these documents

are ever invalidated by a political party or dictator, watch out!