I don't think anyone's really going to notice. When I read it, it just made me scratch my head and wonder more about what they used to teach. To me, the logical leaps make it so confusing that I don't give it much thought. The big 1995 change was a much bigger deal because even though the society didn't give out the date, everyone was looking at 1994 because that was the end of the biblical "generation" and the end was supposed to come by then. This change doesn't really mess with the dates at all, as there are none anymore. Before and after this latest change, the end was still some vague, undetermined time in the near future (e.g. "just around the corner").
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"This Generation..." dogma change. Any effect??
by Asheron inhas anyone seen any fall out from the "this generation" change?
i wanted to call my brother and mom on this one but they will prob reply with the "new light" mind control response.
any faders hearing any moans or groans?.
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IM SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW I COULD CRY!!!!
by B_Deserter insorry about the caps, but i'm really excited.
i saw my long lost cousin online and finally worked up the guts to contact him.
we had a really great chat about my dubdom and my fade-in-progress.
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Sorry about the caps, but I'm really excited. I saw my long lost cousin online and finally worked up the guts to contact him. We had a really great chat about my dubdom and my fade-in-progress. I talked to my aunt, too. They both left the witnesses long ago and I had a great long talk with her, too. I knew it before, but I have never really experienced a real family bond until now. She told me she'll always love me and be my aunt even if I decide to be a witness. You won't get THAT from the puketower!
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My Story, Chaper 5 - "They're making this sh*& up!"
by B_Deserter inshortly after i received my associates degree, i quit pioneering.
i told the body of elders is was because my mother had fallen on some hard times, and i needed to get a full-time job to support the family.
they asked me if it was because i felt bad for not having gas money.
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when you said you moved up to Traverse City my first thought was "what in the world did you find as work up there? Cherry picking? "
I wasn't that fortunate! I ended up having to work retail for my duration up there, but spent a good few months unemployed, too."
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My Story, Chaper 5 - "They're making this sh*& up!"
by B_Deserter inshortly after i received my associates degree, i quit pioneering.
i told the body of elders is was because my mother had fallen on some hard times, and i needed to get a full-time job to support the family.
they asked me if it was because i felt bad for not having gas money.
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My brother wanted to leave not too long ago, but he got swept up by this new congregation. He's studying now and the things he's saying in the study are incredibly stupid and ignorant. On the other hand, he's having a tough time with the whole literature/Bible thing. He's studying with a girl right now and she wanted to use her own Bible and not the NWT and also only the Bible and no literature. Obviously, he's being pushed to include literature by my parents. He just became a publisher and finished with the Bible Teach book.
I try to discuss how I feel about stuff with him in an indirect way. I have to be very careful about being openly against the Witnesses, but I can say a few things that go against the norm a little. -
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My Story, Chaper 5 - "They're making this sh*& up!"
by B_Deserter inshortly after i received my associates degree, i quit pioneering.
i told the body of elders is was because my mother had fallen on some hard times, and i needed to get a full-time job to support the family.
they asked me if it was because i felt bad for not having gas money.
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Shortly after I received my Associates Degree, I quit pioneering. I told the body of elders is was because my mother had fallen on some hard times, and I needed to get a full-time job to support the family. They asked me if it was because I felt bad for not having gas money. I said no, but that was a lie. Every day I'd go out in service, the older pioneer couple would bitch and complain about people that didn't donate for gas. They would say how those people don't appreciate what it takes to chauffeur people around every day. They even complained about people when they only donated $1, because that wasn't enough. Ever since my seasonal job ended, I just didn't have the money to donate for gas. I was tired of being indirectly reminded of what a horrible person I was for not donating.
The day I came home and realized that I would have had a better day had I not gone out in service, I realized that I couldn't continue pioneering. My mother always told me that if I don't feel like going to the meetings or service, I should make myself go, because I'll always be glad I went. It just wasn't true for me. Sometimes it was, but there was nothing like the feeling of staying in instead of going to the meeting.
I got my first full-time job a few months after I stopped pioneering. I worked there for three years, but I got laid off multiple times. The second time, I started looking for another job and I got one, across the state. Within a month I had moved to a nice suburb of Detroit. The congregation there was really nice, but I didn't make a connection with anyone. Instead, I started hanging out with a person from work. I got into a table-top game called Warhammer 40,000. It was a little uncomfortable at first, but I eventually got used to it. More people from work invited me to do stuff, but I resisted. I wasn't going to go to the bar, that much was sure.
I never settled into the new congregation, and missed a lot of meetings. I only went in service a total of 2 or 3 times the year I was there. I was still a Jehovah's Witness at heart, but wrestled with depression and the guilt over missing meetings. There was also a lot of pressure at work that I wasn't used to. A friend I had in the northern part of the state had me convinced my job and the hustle-and-bustle of the city was causing my depression, and he invited me to live with him, share expenses, work part time, and serve Jehovah. I jumped at the chance, and put in my notice two months early. My last day of work, I saw Alien vs. Predator in the theater with three guys from work and my brother. It was a good time. I felt relieved at the same time because I'd no longer be put in a situation where I'd have to decline a social occasion with them on religious grounds.
I lived for a year in Traverse City with my friend. It was good at first, but the pressure to find a job was intense, and there were no jobs to be had up there. I wanted a simple, part-time job that allowed me to insure and gas my car, and pay my share of the lot rent at the trailer park. Because of my technical background, it was hard to find a job with that kind of security. At the first few jobs I had, the hours got cut back drastically, completely negating the point of having a job in the first place. I finally found steady employment, but my dealings with my roommate soured, and I eventually moved back home with my parents. I started going to the congregation in which I grew up, with limited success. One fateful night alone at book study, it all fell apart for me.
We were studying the book "Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy!" The week's lesson was on the king of the north and king of the south prophecy. The book explained that there were more than one king of the north and king of the south, and proceeded to list them all throughout history. My thoughts began to race, trying desperately to find the logic, but I couldn't. This elaborate interpretation was nothing more than wishful thinking, I realized. If Daniel meant that there were multiple Kings of the north and south, wouldn't he have just said so? It hit me hard, and it hit me fast, "The society is making this shit up!"
Months later, I started looking more into different explanations of the Bible, then of criticisms of the Bible itself. I learned things I never knew before, and I realized something else: it was forbidden for me to research this. I started to disagree with the fundamentals of how the society itself operated, practicing information control and demonizing all thought that doesn't originate with the organization.
I talked to my mom about it. "Brian, you're just depressed," she said. I resent my mother to this day for that. She's never taken me seriously. If I disagree with her, it's a problem with me. I tried to bring up some objections, only to be met with "that's apostate thinking! Besides, who cares if the society isn't right about that little thing?" I care, but I also realize that she is too far gone to "get it." I eventually decided to fade, since my brother who is a witness lives with me and making a break is just not possible. Eventually, I plan to move from the city and complete my fade. I'm just going to start living as a regular person. I'm not interested in turning other people away from the religion. I just don't agree with it, plain and simple.
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Vote Ron Paulcard 2378!
by B_Deserter in.
ron paulcard is the only candidate for federation council that stands for real change.. he opposed the interventionist policies against the cardassians that led us into war with the dominion he served over 25 years as chief medical officer aboard the u.s.s.
constitution he supports a sound economy based not on replicator spending, but sound gold-pressed latinum was married to the same woman for over three years, a record not only among starship captains, but the general federation population as well he will work to restore the prime directive he has never accepted one strip of gold-pressed latinum from ferengi special interests join us in 2378, and restore the federation to it's former glory!.
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Praxis was an inside job. Wake up sheeplons!
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really need some help please
by Erichhhhhhhhh inhey everyone, my name is erich and i'm 19 and i have just suffered a break up with my jehovahs witness girlfriend.
we dated for over two years and we recently broke up.
i broke up with her because she was sad that she wasn't true to her religion and i felt terrible i was keeping her from it.
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When you broke up with her, you relinquished all expectation that she wouldn't have sex with someone else. It may sound harsh, but, you're not her boyfriend anymore. She didn't do anything wrong and she didn't do anything to you. If you didn't really want to break up, then you shouldn't have done it. You want to have your cake and eat it too, expecting her to sit around and remain celibate even after the relationship with you is over. It doesn't work that way.
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Law suits by the Society against websites
by isnrblog inon this site and others i have been reading about the watchtower society suing bloggers and website owners because they quoted the watchtowers publications.
a couple of observations.
if you quote a publication that was publically distributed by the millions of copies, how could you be liable?
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Copyright law doesn't apply to criticism of a work. The Fair Use clause states that any copyright work may be reproduced for the purposes of education, comment, or criticism.
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Vote Ron Paulcard 2378!
by B_Deserter in.
ron paulcard is the only candidate for federation council that stands for real change.. he opposed the interventionist policies against the cardassians that led us into war with the dominion he served over 25 years as chief medical officer aboard the u.s.s.
constitution he supports a sound economy based not on replicator spending, but sound gold-pressed latinum was married to the same woman for over three years, a record not only among starship captains, but the general federation population as well he will work to restore the prime directive he has never accepted one strip of gold-pressed latinum from ferengi special interests join us in 2378, and restore the federation to it's former glory!.
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Ron Paulcard believes that the reason we ever ran into the Borg in the first place was our desire for "exploration" which really meant interventionism. If we would have adopted a modest foreign policy, we would have never met the Borg, and they would have been wiped out by Species 8472 anyway.
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Vote Ron Paulcard 2378!
by B_Deserter in.
ron paulcard is the only candidate for federation council that stands for real change.. he opposed the interventionist policies against the cardassians that led us into war with the dominion he served over 25 years as chief medical officer aboard the u.s.s.
constitution he supports a sound economy based not on replicator spending, but sound gold-pressed latinum was married to the same woman for over three years, a record not only among starship captains, but the general federation population as well he will work to restore the prime directive he has never accepted one strip of gold-pressed latinum from ferengi special interests join us in 2378, and restore the federation to it's former glory!.
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Ron Paulcard is the only candidate for Federation Council that stands for real change.
- He opposed the interventionist policies against the Cardassians that led us into war with the Dominion
- He served over 25 years as Chief Medical Officer aboard the U.S.S. Constitution
- He supports a sound economy based not on replicator spending, but sound gold-pressed latinum
- Was married to the same woman for over three years, a record not only among starship captains, but the general federation population as well
- He will work to restore the prime directive
- He has never accepted one strip of gold-pressed latinum from Ferengi special interests
Join us in 2378, and restore the Federation to it's former glory!