You can try it and if it makes you feel better, GREAT! The mind is an interesting thing, and the placebo effect can be very powerful. The problem I run into with alternative healing is that they have no evidence to back their claims, only anecdotes, which are completely unreliable if you're doing an objective study. If it works for you, great, but if you're going to try to convince me it works, I better be seeing some proof.
B_Deserter
JoinedPosts by B_Deserter
-
26
alternative medicine/healing...tried any? is it nuts?
by oompa ini have gone to chiropractors for years...and some are pathetic quacks....some really help me.
i had severe tendonitis in my elbow and tried reg.
doctors for six months...was helped more in one visit to a acupuncturist!
-
-
-
383
Thinking of becoming a Witness again and my reasons for doing so :(
by reniaa ini've been a faded jw for 10 years i left because of my failed first marriage, i'm no hypocrite and realised i had left completely so i embraced the world and dived in, only christmas and birthdays i could not get into, they were too foreign to me having never celebrated them, like if i suddenly tried to do ramadan or something like that.. 1/ all the criticisms of the people in the truth you say on here, i've found in the world, warts and all only in the world nothing holds them back from being utterly horrible to you.. 2/ i got stabbed by a worldly boyfriend, i got married 2 times of my own choosing to men outside the truth, the first smoked and was an alcoholic, the second gambled every penny we had and defrauded me out of money after we separated, 2 divorces later i am currently pregnant and a single mum since current boyfriend decided kids was to much of a responsibility and he needed his freedom and i was 'too selfish to expect him to give up his life'.. 3/ parents-in-law!
i have been shunned by them as equal to anything you accuse witness families of and for the silliest of reasons, i had a disabled son and his grandparents said they wanted nothing to do with him because they didn't want to become attached in case he died.. 4/ i miss the honest friendships of the truth, i had friends of all ages from 14 to 80 years old and they genuinely cared for me, many trying to keep me in the faith a long time after i left but i was determined to fade so moved away completely, but i find friendships in the world so shallow in comparison and very hard to sustain :( i've never been a drinker and sometimes thats what friendship means you being a companion for them to goto pub with.. 5/ my recent boyfriend was in a christian religion, i thought why not find out about it, harvest churches if you ever heard of them, unfortunately it still hasn't stop him leaving me pregnant and alone and when i said to him how does he clear that with god, he replies "as long as i repent it doesn't matter" it's like he has a "get out of jail free card" for any wrong-doing in the bible, this is so alien to me and my witness trained conscience.. 6/ i recently out of frustration tried looking into atheism and joined their forums, it wasn't fun, they are as bombastic and arrogant as their religious counterparts can be from any religion, they make a religion out of not believing in god, it's very weird they talk of saving people from believing in god and offer nothing to replace it.
they said to me "be happy you are in reality now and enjoy it" and i thought "well if this is reality i've had enough of it".
-
-
B_Deserter
I've been a faded JW for 10 years I left because of my failed first marriage, I'm no hypocrite and realised I had left completely so I embraced the world and dived in, Only christmas and birthdays I could not get into, they were too foreign to me having never celebrated them, like if I suddenly tried to do ramadan or something like that.
1/ All the criticisms of the people in the truth you say on here, I've found in the world, warts and all only in the world nothing holds them back from being utterly horrible to you.
Of course you can find all those criticisms in the world, where do you think the witnesses got them? Look, there are bad people in the world, that's a fact. Since you're not being very specific here, I can't go into any more detail, either.
2/ I got stabbed by a worldly boyfriend, I got married 2 times of my own choosing to men outside the truth, the first smoked and was an alcoholic, the second gambled every penny we had and defrauded me out of money after we separated, 2 divorces later I am currently pregnant and a single mum since current boyfriend decided kids was to much of a responsibility and he needed his freedom and I was 'too selfish to expect him to give up his life'.
I think you're falling victim to the "us versus them" mentality of the witnesses. You are using the lingo, calling your bad boyfriends "worldly" as if all non-witnesses are gambling alcoholics. I hate to say it, but the "truth" is no better than the "world." You can just as easily get married to an alcoholic Jehovah's Witness. It seems you're blaming all non-witnesses for your bad taste in men.
3/ Parents-in-law! I have been shunned by them as equal to anything you accuse witness families of and for the silliest of reasons, I had a disabled son and his grandparents said they wanted nothing to do with him because they didn't want to become attached in case he died.
That's their choice. Ask yourself why you really want a relationship with relatives who love a book publishing company more than you.
4/ I miss the honest friendships of the truth, I had friends of all ages from 14 to 80 years old and they genuinely cared for me, many trying to keep me in the faith a long time after I left but I was determined to fade so moved away completely, but I find friendships in the world so shallow in comparison and very hard to sustain :( I've never been a drinker and sometimes thats what friendship means you being a companion for them to goto pub with.
You did not have honest friendships in the truth. Real friends stick by you no matter what, and they don't drop you because you stop believing in their religion. If they "genuinely cared" for you, they'd still be your friends. All those people, ages 14 to 80 cared for you because they're required to. If it was anything more than that, again, they'd still care for you.
5/ My recent boyfriend was in a christian religion, I thought why not find out about it, Harvest churches if you ever heard of them, unfortunately it still hasn't stop him leaving me pregnant and alone and when I said to him how does he clear that with God, he replies "As long as I repent it doesn't matter" it's like he has a "get out of jail free card" for any wrong-doing in the bible, this is so alien to me and my witness trained conscience.
Then don't date people like him. That's the great thing about not being a witness: YOU HAVE CHOICES! All "worldly" people are NOT the same. They are NOT all evil. If you really looked, you'd find a lot of good.
6/ I recently out of frustration tried looking into atheism and joined their forums, It wasn't fun, they are as bombastic and arrogant as their Religious counterparts can be from any religion, they make a religion out of not believing in God, It's very weird they talk of saving people from believing in god and offer nothing to replace it. They said to me "be happy you are in reality now and enjoy it" and I thought "well if this is reality I've had enough of it"
Sorry to tell you this, but atheism isn't something you just "look into." Being a skeptic is about appreciating reality. It sounds like you're viewing atheism as a religion, it's not, it's the opposite of it. Also, not all atheists are the same. This is at least the third time you've made a broad generalization about people. You're looking for something to take the place of religion. Atheism doesn't do that. It's like that scene on the Matrix where Morpheus offers Neo the Red pill: "Remember, all I offer you is the truth, nothing more.
So here I am feeling like the prodigal daughter and thinking being among warm-hearted if strict people who will accept me back and give me a sense of community again that I haven't seen in any other christian faith for all I've looked, has gotta be better than being shoved and shunned and used by people who have stopped caring for each other and only think of themselves. Your thoughts please?
Remember that the people shunning you are the witnesses. Going back to the witnesses is like a battered wife going back to her abusive spouse. It's Stockholm syndrome of the worst kind.
-
6
Did anyone see 48 hours mystery last night?
by B_Deserter ini grew up in the same town as kent leppink.
my older brother actually knew him personally.
the sad thing is that what happened to kent was used by my parents (and probably other local jw's) as a cautionary tale as to what happens when you live "in the world.
-
-
B_Deserter
I think that woman Mechele is a pathological liar. You watched her tell a completely different story than what her e-mails did. She has a baby face, an innocent voice, and a talent for crocodile tears and she uses them, fully. My brother (who also tends to lie) told me he thought he was gay. It could be true, he was in his mid-30s in a town where his family was and still is pretty visible in the community (they own the town's grocery store), it's kind of odd for someone that age to still be unmarried. Of course, Mechele's emails tell a different story again.
My theory is that she hired someone. It could have been John (the guy that got convicted), but there's enough reasonable doubt to discount the gun washing story. Bottom line, Mechele was taking advantage of three very lonely men. She claimed the gay thing I bet because she saw Kent and his little Michigan town as just another redneck ultra-conservative pile in the middle of nowhere. I grew up here, and although there are some pretty conservative people here, I'd say as a whole we're pretty moderate. It's possible Kent's parents would have shunned him, but if they said they wouldn't, then I'd believe them over the girl any day. Our town is generally pretty honest and up front about stuff like that. -
9
" I would take a bullet for you!"
by AK - Jeff ini recall that statement being made in the car groups of pioneers i was in at times, when we would talk about our 'brotherhood'.
i meant it then.
i ponder it now.
-
-
B_Deserter
I think love is a two-way street. I don't feel that you are really under obligation to love people who don't love you.
-
6
Did anyone see 48 hours mystery last night?
by B_Deserter ini grew up in the same town as kent leppink.
my older brother actually knew him personally.
the sad thing is that what happened to kent was used by my parents (and probably other local jw's) as a cautionary tale as to what happens when you live "in the world.
-
-
B_Deserter
I grew up in the same town as Kent Leppink. My older brother actually knew him personally. The sad thing is that what happened to Kent was used by my parents (and probably other local JW's) as a cautionary tale as to what happens when you live "in the world." Of course, they spiced the story by saying he was killed by his gay lover, probably to additionally enforce the idea that being gay=living in a world full of drugs, murder, and lust.
-
-
-
B_Deserter
When I said useful, I was referring to the parts where it cites the article where the Watchtower calls itself a prophet, as well as the articles and books predicting the various dates of armageddon.
-
44
Can I (a Christian) go out with a jw?
by asdf44 inok, this is burning me up inside.
i really like this girl i work with.
she's a few years older than me, but we get along great.
-
-
B_Deserter
I'm going to break with the crowd here and give it a maybe. I say that because for one I don't have a lot of information about the situation and secondly, a lot of witnesses aren't doing that great in the church.
Does she hang out with people at work at all? Does she try to preach to people at work? If she hangs out with other non-witnesses, you probably have a chance. Even if you manage to date her, you could be in for a world of hurt, and you'll dread every assembly and convention that she'll come back from ready to break up with you thanks to her "renewed zeal." You'll be her dirty little secret, and it will be impossible to have a normal relationship.
The further out of the witnesses she is, the more likely the relationship will work. -
-
-
-
9
God does not have Multiple Personality Disorder
by Cephyr13 ina jehovah's witness once said that the christian god of the trinity has multiple personality disorder (mpd).
this goes to show their complete lack of understanding of the trinity and how to explain it.. god does not have multiple personality disorder (mpd).
he created us in his image, having three parts.
-
-
B_Deserter
Except there isn't one shred of evidence for this "spiritual body" at all.
-
36
What Craft Or Hobby Keeps YOU busy?
by Sunspot inas long as i can recall, i have always had at least three craft or needlework "projects" going at one time!
i have had a few "unproductive years" due to two strokes that affected my right side and the use of my fingers.
i tried a few things and then put them down in desperation.. recently i picked up a crochet hook again determined to figure out a way to get things working again.....and it is slow and very awkward but i can still crochet!.
-
-
B_Deserter
My hobby, and craft, is beer brewing.