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  Refuting the whole WT Org in one question...

  by Confucious in

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  i'm testing my hypothosis here.... the question is this.... "does the wt org.

  get special revelations from god today.".

  if they answer "yes," then they are going against the bible which says that all scripture is complete.. if the say "no," then we can say, "then why do you say we should follow you.".

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  Flowerpetal

  All religions make the claim of being the right religion and that their adherents are being led by God, which means they are taught that they are God's people or that they are the "church" which word is so often mentioned in the New Testament. Who teaches them that they are God's people? The leaders, whether it be a group of 12 men, or a pastor, minister, Pope, etc. of a church, who claim they have received a "calling" to minister, etc.

  Some are taught just to say a simple prayer to Jesus that they are sinners and ask to be forgiven of all their sins, and they become a "child of God" and claim "indwelling of the holy spirit." Others are taught to confess their sins in a confessional to a priest, who tells them their sins are forgiven.

  Still others are taught that they must become part of an organization which is headed by Jesus Christ, and he reveals all of God's purposes thru a body of men who then dispenses it in literature form for the rest of those in the organization.

  All groups use the Bible as proof of their claims. And perhaps all these religions have done more harm to the human race than good.

  That's my 2 cents.
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  Everlasting life on a Paradise earth..myth or reality?

  by shotgun in

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  everlasting life on a paradise earth.

  this hope permeates the very being of every jw.

  does it mention everlasting life on a paradise earth?

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  Flowerpetal

  I still do believe that the earth is here to stay and that it will be populated. I believe in the scripture at Revelation 22:1,2 and here it is from the KJV: "And he shewd me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations."

  My reasoning on this is anyone who is destined to live in heaven, doesn't need healing. And are there going to be nations in heaven? I don't think so. I believe the healing of the nations is going to be done right here on earth.

  The how's, wherefores, etc. is not mentioned in the Bible, so the society shouldn't speculate on it--but they do, and that's the part that's going beyond scripture. I'm not one to look at types, but I do believe in this one: Abraham's attempt at offering up Issac, was a drama played out which represented the Creator actually offering up his SON, for mankind. Because this was done BEFORE the nation of Israel was formed, it was not just for Israel, but for all of the human family. It must mean more than that there is just going to be one destiny and that is for people to live in heaven. The one hope is LIFE--but there are two places where it can be spent. Here on earth, after the healing has taken place, or in heaven, where those who dwell there are already healed.

  And Panda, as much as I love scientific explanations, can any scientist explain where magnetic gravity came from, where the elements came from, where the energy came from, and where "certain" masses came from, etc.? There weren't just always there. SOMEONE had to make them.
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  How Do You Recognize and Understand God?

  by Blueblades in

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  since mere words do not suffice and personal experience is just that.and since the act of knowing,reaching and touching god defies all words,and one has never had that personal experience,what then?.

  do life and death questions remain unanswered and answered if you believe in a belief system based on the written word of others and then your own leaf of faith?.

  since there have been centuries of change in the social,political,language,geographical and religious fields and schools of thought,the current bible is incomplete,many books have been deleted from it in order to preserve the church's power.the most glaring purge was at the ecumenical council of 325ce.. there isn't much left to answer the question except death itself.we buried my brother yesterday and i wonder if he finally has his answer.. blueblades

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  Flowerpetal

  I agree a bit with your thinking, BB.
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  Paradise Erf - What did you NOT look forward to?

  by Nosferatu in

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  remember when you were in the troof, and had the thoughts of paradise erf continually being pounded into your head?

  you'd be able to pet lions, eat fruit, and smile, but there were things that were going to be destroyed at armageddon.

  what were you going to miss in the old world?

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  Flowerpetal

  Heather, boy can I relate.....
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  Did the JWs take this urban legend and make it an experience????

  by BLISSISIGNORANCE in

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  i received this at work the other day.

  it was sent to myself and quite a few others who work in my department via email.. i have to say, it sounded an awful lot like a story i heard from some dubs.. i just thought it was interesting.................dubs always take everything as their own!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

  cheers, bliss.

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  Flowerpetal

  That is an excellent point, Jim!!
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  Have you been surprised?

  by Sassy in

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  by how many people

  even more so how many people you meet here and after getting a chance to know them, learn they know some of the very same people you do?

  (for example i met a woman here on the board whom i have never met personally but she knows some people that i grew up, even the 'brother' who gave me my first kiss..

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  Flowerpetal

  How do you find out if you know someone, and still keep your anominity? I'd love to find out that I might know some people here.
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  Paradise Erf - What did you NOT look forward to?

  by Nosferatu in

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  remember when you were in the troof, and had the thoughts of paradise erf continually being pounded into your head?

  you'd be able to pet lions, eat fruit, and smile, but there were things that were going to be destroyed at armageddon.

  what were you going to miss in the old world?

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  Flowerpetal

  I did have an idealized version of it and it was sort of like the people who lived a long time and were artisans in the Star Trek movie, Insurrection.

  Didn't it always seem, esp. in the old Star Trek episodes, the ones with Wm. Shatner, et. al that whenever there was a story about "paradise" it would get messed up or exposed at the end? Always with an explanation as to why man has a chance at Eden, but always refuses it.

  Anyway, after reading someone's post here about the "Paradise Erf" and how it could still be run by at least the elders masquerading as "princes" and everybody still being governed by rules, I really wonder now if such a paradise is possible where there would be true freedom.
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  Your Favorite Scary Movie?

  by Valis in

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  i watched this on bravo last night.

  so what's yer favorite movie for spookiness on halloween?.

  creature: "i have love in me the likes of which you can scarcely imagine.

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  Flowerpetal

  I think Stephen King's books scare me more than any movies do. I liked Needful Things, the book. My son saw The Ring and it scared him to death, but when I watched it, it didn't do a thing for me in the scare dept.
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  What scams did you use for counting your time?

  by Ivor Hope in

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  flowerpetals post and thread reminded me of some of the scams we would use to try to show the maximum numbers of hours spent in "service" for the smallest amount of effort.

  here's some of the ones i remember...just wondered if any of you had any other memories.. .

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  Flowerpetal

  IvorHope and Running Man gave many of the reasons why a person would hate service, especially when you know this is YOUR valuable time you are wasting which could be better served at home maybe catching up on some chores, reading USEFUL, EDUCATIONAL things, gardening, or doing something beneficial and healthful for your body--like exercise!
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  Those of who are trying to get out of the Borg....

  by Flowerpetal in

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  are you still going in service?

  if so, how do you present your message?

  i'm sure you disagree with a lot of wt teachings, so how are you handling this?

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  Flowerpetal

  I have been door to door maybe twice in the last three years. Why should I go when the person at the door won't know that I am NOT a child abuser? Since the WT allows child abusers to go from door to door without telling anyone, I refuse to go.

  And if they don't like it, they can just change their policy.

  Pistoff, If they changed their policy, would you go?