" Seizeth the day and maketh the hay whilst the sun dost shine,
educate thyself and reap thy bounty."
1 Robin 1:1
AWAKE&WATCHING
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Make up your very own "Scripture" and post it here
by JH inrat 11:29. then rat opened a bottle of beer and said, "god is good" .
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Please read if you commented on topic re:FDS/BS- meeting elders-BACKGROUND
by AWAKE&WATCHING inmy situation is a little different than most.the only family i have in the borg are my in-laws who don't care much for me any way.
while my husband has studied off and on for years and is currently attending most meetings, he has never felt "ready" to get baptized.. i was in the truth (gag) for 10 years, went through a bad divorce from an unbeliever and disassociated myself , i was depressed, worn out and felt guilty for not being able to keep up with the "do more" bs.
i still believed and blamed myself.
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Minimus - you might regret you asked, sorry so long.
Funny thing is, I thought he'd totally freak out because we have truly been on the edge of a divorce pretty much since we got married almost 5 years ago. I figured this would be his "out" because he says he's "not cut out for the job" of being a husband.
I told him about 3 weeks into my awakening when I found out about the UN, I had to talk to someone and thought it couldn't hurt. He has been very understanding and listens to everything, which is surprising because we have really grown apart. It's almost like the guy I fell in love with is back. He feels that the BS "imperfect men" excuse is valid and I told him that contradicts "speaking for God". Very strange, I thought this would be the nail in the coffin. He wanted me to talk to the elders and I told him that I needed to do research.
I haven't been to ONE meeting since I woke up. We had a pretty serious talk when I didn't attend the convention. He said to me, "You should have gone, they answered a lot of your questions." I told him that from my research of the publications I knew what the Society's views are on every one of my concerns/questions because I have researched every one of them thoroughly.
Then I looked at him straight in the eye and said, " I AM NEVER GOING BACK." with serious conviction. I then said the part about hoping he never gets baptized to an organization, they aren't my mediator, only Jesus is, and I don't care if he is giving talks from the platform when he hangs out at bars because, " I don't believe that organization/religion represents God in any way he would want to be represented."
Kindly, I explained that when he has tried to help me by asking for answers to some of my questions (he did this to protect me because he is not baptized) it didn't help because the answers he got that made sense to him needed follow-up questions. I said, "I am a student of the Bible, I read those books on my shelf (History of Christianity, denominations and cults, world religions etc.), they aren't just there for looks. I was looking for the truth when I found this religion. You are not research minded and those answers that are acceptable to you no longer are enough for me."
Bottom line is he thinks "wait on Jehovah", "they admit they are imperfect", yadda, yadda. He doesn't believe I can get disfellowshipped for asking questions OR disagreeing, even if I don't accept the answers they give me.
He wants to go with me to talk to my friends, the elders, because he is willing to look at any of my information and I haven't taken the time to share it. I told him every question leads to 10 others and they lead to 10 others like pulling on a loose piece of yarn in a sweater, it just keeps unraveling.
Thanks for asking - that felt good to put it into words.
OOH! AAH! What an adventure.
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Need LOGICAL PRESENTATION that FDS is BS- talk w/2 elders wanting to help
by AWAKE&WATCHING inmy best friend showed up where i work to see what's going on with me.
i haven't called her since she told an elder at my hall that i was falling out of the truth, little does she know i've fallen and i don't want to get up.. i told her i had now done my research and i absolutely don't believe it.
she said she didn't want to hear my apostate stuff.
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I appreciate all of your opinions and advice.
Here's to independant thinking!
I started a new thread with a little BACKGROUND because I appreciate the warnings not to talk.
I am in no danger. My purpose is to be able to tell them these things while I still can. The fact that they are actually listening to me (so as to prove me wrong) is to me, a rare and amazingchance that most of us will never get. I truly have nothing to lose and there could be seeds of doubt that my information waters. To me this is an opportunity - not a waste of time, regardless of the outcome.
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Please read if you commented on topic re:FDS/BS- meeting elders-BACKGROUND
by AWAKE&WATCHING inmy situation is a little different than most.the only family i have in the borg are my in-laws who don't care much for me any way.
while my husband has studied off and on for years and is currently attending most meetings, he has never felt "ready" to get baptized.. i was in the truth (gag) for 10 years, went through a bad divorce from an unbeliever and disassociated myself , i was depressed, worn out and felt guilty for not being able to keep up with the "do more" bs.
i still believed and blamed myself.
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My situation is a little different than most.The only family I have in the Borg are my in-laws who don't care much for me any way. While my husband has studied off and on for years and is currently attending most meetings, he has never felt "ready" to get baptized.
I was in the truth (gag) for 10 years, went through a bad divorce from an unbeliever and disassociated myself , I was depressed, worn out and felt guilty for not being able to keep up with the "do more" BS. I still believed and blamed myself. I met my current husband and we dated for 12 years during the 11 years I was away from the congregation and the first year after my re-instatement. He was supposedly ready to get baptized, that was almost 5 years ago. His parents were JW's and it was our goal to serve Jehovah.
Our marriage has not been easy because he stays out late on week-ends with worldly friends,has a Bible study of his own and studies with a little boy from the hall. I have hated his hypocrisy and the fact that he is in the school. We have actually become close again because I share a lot of my new views with him.
I told my husband I no longer care if he parties and gives talks at the hall because I no longer believe that THAT religion represents God in any way he would want to be represented. I also made it clear that I hope he never gets baptized TO AN ORGANIZATION.
This has all come out slowly since May as "I have concerns, I am doing research in the Society's publications." I have told my best friend the same thing.
Two weeks ago I decided that I don't care if I am disfellowshipped because I am not totally free to write letters to the editor, support Silent Lambs, or anything else I might want the freedom to do. I feel the same way about my marriage and lack of that freedom. It's been rocky and I've put up with a lot, however my husband recently told me he recognizes that our problems have been his doing and he doesn't know how or why I've put up with it.
The elders are my friends and should not even be talking to me in an un-official
capacity because they already know the following:
1) I no longer believe in the FDS as God's channel of communication.
2) I've done tons of research on the evil internet.
3) I have read "Crisis of Conscience" and "Christian Freedom".
4) My intention is to explain why I feel the way I do. I am doing this at my best friend's request and am not afraid or worried about the consequences.
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Need LOGICAL PRESENTATION that FDS is BS- talk w/2 elders wanting to help
by AWAKE&WATCHING inmy best friend showed up where i work to see what's going on with me.
i haven't called her since she told an elder at my hall that i was falling out of the truth, little does she know i've fallen and i don't want to get up.. i told her i had now done my research and i absolutely don't believe it.
she said she didn't want to hear my apostate stuff.
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Hi all! I just logged on so I need to catch up on your advice. From skimming I can see that I probably should have included the fact that I don't have a lot to lose , relationshipwise by getting disfellowshipped. I was also a bad J.W. who kept her worldly friends so it's all good.
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Our Letter of Denunciation or 'Disassociation'
by Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit inwe have felt like we didn't need a letter, but suddenly we did, and it was liberating to write and send (multiple copies).. last para got biting and pointed, unfortunately, but facts are facts.
august 14, 2007. .
to whom it may concern:.
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I have succumed to the EVIL of all evils....
by R.F. in....and it's called college!.
that's right, the ultimate evil college is calling my name and i've fallen into the temptation.. my goal is to attend my old university starting in january.
i attended there about 5 years ago but dropped out to further my borg opportunities.
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R.F. - You came to the forum about the same time as me and I've read your posts with great interest.You've GROWN so much these past few months and I am so excited for you.
Broaden your horizons kiddo !
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Need LOGICAL PRESENTATION that FDS is BS- talk w/2 elders wanting to help
by AWAKE&WATCHING inmy best friend showed up where i work to see what's going on with me.
i haven't called her since she told an elder at my hall that i was falling out of the truth, little does she know i've fallen and i don't want to get up.. i told her i had now done my research and i absolutely don't believe it.
she said she didn't want to hear my apostate stuff.
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I just read all these replies and I am ready to cry, you guys are just awesome, loving, kind, helpful people,( even that ATHEIST guy).
On the one hand they say that they are God's chanel and that what they say and do is from God, but then when "prophisies" don't come true they say that they are just men and make mistakes. How are the faithfull JW's suppost to know when they are speaking for God and when they are just being imperfect men
The above quote is one of the main things I want to stick with because that is really where I started. How can I make them see that they (FDS) can't claim God is speaking to them and directing them until something is proven wrong and then claim "We're only human." ? It's just so contradictory and they can't see it.
Thank you all so much.
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Need LOGICAL PRESENTATION that FDS is BS- talk w/2 elders wanting to help
by AWAKE&WATCHING inmy best friend showed up where i work to see what's going on with me.
i haven't called her since she told an elder at my hall that i was falling out of the truth, little does she know i've fallen and i don't want to get up.. i told her i had now done my research and i absolutely don't believe it.
she said she didn't want to hear my apostate stuff.
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My best friend showed up where I work to see what's going on with me. I haven't called her since she told an elder at my hall that I was falling out of the truth, little does she know I've fallen and I don't want to get up.(Refused to talk to him.) I had told her I had "concerns" and needed to do research.
I told her I had now done my research and I absolutely don't believe it. She said she didn't want to hear my apostate stuff. I said then I really had nothing to say because I don't believe this is the truth. Long story short she ended up listening to me for 4 hours! I covered it all, not "God's channel", protected pedophiles, U.N./N.G.O., Malawi/Mexico, there's a reason they don't want us on the internet, 1975(which she was around for), false prophecies, flip-flops, yadda yadda yadda.
I no longer care about being disfellowshipped and have agreed to talk to 2 elders from her hall, I know them both well. My mission is to plant some seeds of doubt or water what might already be there.
I want to stick to WTBTS publications and just a point or two, i.e. false prophecies and flip-flops, and "God's channel". What should I do? I'd appreciate anything you all can do to help me.
Please refer me to threads or lists or sites or spell it out for me however you want.
THANKS! Robin P.S. My head is spinning.
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i love women so much that ------
by stillajwexelder ingod - i love women so much that if i had been a women i would be a lesbian
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Excellent taste!
ditto!
NOT A QUOTE, just my opinion. . . I KNOW - THEY ARE HOT
I can' get out of the quotie thingie !