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  Suzi Mayhem Outdoes John Cleese

  by AlanF in

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  a critique of suzi mayhem's theory of god .

  i thought, when suzi first posted this, that it was a joke something like john cleese's classic "brontosaurus theory" skit in a monty python episode.

  but mr. "dark clouds" has sort of asked me to critique it as if it were a serious theory, so here goes.. i'll address this to suzi, but suzi dear, don't take this too seriously.

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  I will work through the math and come back here with an opinion as to whether the stated proximity is to be expected (also, please put an email address in the body of your text). Just a couple of points to be clarified first:

  larc wrote:
  

  Focus, Thank you for your thoughts. Let me provide a little more detail [..] Also it was possible to add the fifty other ratings and correlate this total

  larc, there are many measures ("metrics") for correlation, as I'm confident you are aware. The additive method of arriving at a "rest of population" score table is IMO most meaningful if the correlation coefficient being computed is one of rank - is it, and what formula is being used? Also, who says a 0 and a 9 score for a particular food item are "worth" as much as a 4 and a 5? Where one is computing a sum (or mean; same end result here) of 50 scores, this point is very moot. Linearity is an assumption.

  square root

  I take it if the correlation coefficient was -ve, the logic you use would require the "square root" to be defined as the negative square root of the absolute value of the coefficient (rather than i times the positive value thereof?)

  I want to congratulate you on your first point of contention. You are absolutely right about similiar but wrong judgements producing overestimates. No one among the reviewers or the editor mentioned this. In measurement theory for 90 years, they have assumed that [..] Thanks again, for your comments they were well thought out.

  Note that you can use a Monte Carlo (stochastic) technique yourself (just in Excel, say) to bypass the math and see whether pseudo-random evaluations still produce the closeness you have stated.

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  Focus
  (Thinking for oneself occasionally is a profitable exercise Class)
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  Suzi Mayhem Outdoes John Cleese

  by AlanF in

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  a critique of suzi mayhem's theory of god .

  i thought, when suzi first posted this, that it was a joke something like john cleese's classic "brontosaurus theory" skit in a monty python episode.

  but mr. "dark clouds" has sort of asked me to critique it as if it were a serious theory, so here goes.. i'll address this to suzi, but suzi dear, don't take this too seriously.

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  larc stated:
  

  Alan,
  Since you are mathematicly gifted, I would like run an idea by you.

  AlanF has not yet responded, so I'll put my oar in if I may. What I don't comment on, I don't have an issue with.

  It has to do with the degree of accuracy in human judgements. The standard method for determining this is to correlate one person's quantified judgements, e.g., on a rating scale, with another person's judgements. The correlation coefficient is assumed to be the proper index of accuracy. This has been the standard metric for the past 90 years. However, there is a problem here. One person is being compared to imperfect standard, i.e., another person. Therefore, the correlation is an underestimate of one person's accuracy.

  The last statement is incorrect. The two people could be making the same, though wrong, judgements (could happen for a variety of reasons - to name but one, common socio-economic-educational sources of "error") - in which case the correlation coefficient would be an overestimate (not an underestimate) of the target person's accuracy.

  If a person could be compared to a "true score", this would be a better index. Empirical tests have been done by correlating one person's score with the sum of a larger number of others.

  Please be very explicit here - there are at least two very different ways to interpret what you have just stated.

  Did you mean using a population "average" instead of a second individual for the purpose of comparison?

  Measurement theory assumes that as a larger sum is used, the error term decreases, since error between people is random,

  Please justify the last clause. Most "random" things aren't.

  therefore, the sum approaches the theoretical true score.

  I do not understand this statement - please be specific and use precise terminology. Is regression towards the mean meant?

  There is a body of research using this line of reasoning. Another approach is to correct the correlation between two people by taking the square root of the correlation.

  As a typically-defined correlation coefficient belongs to [-1,1], half the range will produce an imaginary result when square-rooted.

  No one, to date, has tyed these to methods together. I conducted an experiment and found the correlation between (1) the summed scores approach and (2) the square root approach is .982.

  You do not mention sample size. One cuckoo doth not a spring make, or however the saying goes.

  Not bad, for a result in the "soft science" of psychology. I met great resistance from the journal reviewers and the journal editor. Finally, the editor wrote that if I obtained the empirical results from a second sample and applied it back to math corrections in the first sample, he would give it another look. I am in the process of doing this within the next two weeks. Anyway, I ran this by you to see if you had any thoughts on my logic or the math involved.

  If you are more specific, I am sure meaningful opinions can be expressed.

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  Focus
  (The Generation of Random Numbers is FAR too important to be left to Pure Chance! Class)
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  Suzi Mayhem Outdoes John Cleese

  by AlanF in

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  a critique of suzi mayhem's theory of god .

  i thought, when suzi first posted this, that it was a joke something like john cleese's classic "brontosaurus theory" skit in a monty python episode.

  but mr. "dark clouds" has sort of asked me to critique it as if it were a serious theory, so here goes.. i'll address this to suzi, but suzi dear, don't take this too seriously.

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  riz noted:
  

  CunningLinguist.
  Hmmmmmm... Focus, oh nevermind.

  Nor is it a question of tongue in cheeks!

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  Focus
  (antitype of Master-Baiter Class)
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  Suzi Mayhem Outdoes John Cleese

  by AlanF in

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  a critique of suzi mayhem's theory of god .

  i thought, when suzi first posted this, that it was a joke something like john cleese's classic "brontosaurus theory" skit in a monty python episode.

  but mr. "dark clouds" has sort of asked me to critique it as if it were a serious theory, so here goes.. i'll address this to suzi, but suzi dear, don't take this too seriously.

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  darkcloud quoted Hawking in an attempt to refute AlanF:
  

  Imaginary time may sound like science fiction but it is in fact a well-defined mathematical concept.

  darkcloud, a 7-dimensional vector space is also a totally well-defined mathematical concept.

  However, to assign real-life meaning to such is impossible, and it is in that context that the terms were used in the beginning of this thread.

  I therefore think you are misinterpreting Hawking by, ummm, an angle of about pi: what you quote supports AlanF, rather than confounding him.

  The usefulness of an imaginary dimension in all sorts of branches of physics stems (pun) purely from the fact that it is easier to add than to multiply [ e^(i*x) = cos(x) + i * sin(x) and all that ].

  It does not make the imaginary real, You Know - merely useful.

  Note that I mentioned 7-dimensional vector space before in my example of a well-defined mathematical concept. I did not mention 4-, 5-, 6-, 8-, 9- etc. dimensional vector spaces as the vector product (cross-product) cannot be defined for them (it has meaning only for 3- and 7- dimensional vector spaces). When you have understood this, and the proof of this, please do come and debate with me. Till then, kindly accept my assurance that AlanF is far more correct than are you.

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  Focus
  (Topological Physicist of the CunningLinguist Class)
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  The elusive Brother Some.

  by Norm in

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  the elusive brother some and the watchtower society.. in brooklyn , they have for years been bothered by a shady and very mystical brother.

  they usually call him some.

  we receive constant reassurances from the watchtower that what is printed in the literature is the truth.

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  Dear (Now Ex-) Brother Norm

  For the above act of apostasy (quoting as you did from Old Truth), you are hereby disfellowshipped.

  While the fact that you are not one of Jehovah's Witnesses might make some believe that such a sanction is meaningless, there is indeed sound theological evidence(*) to support its propriety - without a doubt, as is obvious to every truly consecrated child of Christ.

  Brother Some
  (Physical Facts of Focus Class)

  (*) Unfortunately, the sound theological evidence is too complex for you to understand.
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  JW Venus Williams has been NAUGHTY

  by Focus in

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  a reliable source (other than the national enquirer, that is) has reported that jw venus williams has been spotted in public passionately kissing an older male called "frankie" outside a mall near palm beach gardens, florida, and then getting into a car with him.

  the couple met at the art institute of fort lauderdale.... is this chaste behavior as required by the watchtower?.

  how long before the 20-year old gets the chop?.

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  A reliable source (other than the National Enquirer, that is) has reported that JW Venus Williams has been spotted in public passionately kissing an older male called "Frankie" outside a mall near Palm Beach Gardens, Florida, and then getting into a car with him. The couple met at the art institute of Fort Lauderdale...

  Is this chaste behavior as required by the Watchtower?

  How long before the 20-year old gets the chop?

  --
  Focus
  ("Bringing God's People into DISREPUTE" Class)
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  Your best caption please.

  by nicolaou in

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  we all know how this works, just give us your best caption for this pic' .

  [why do i get the feeling that 'gutter' will crop up more than once?].

  nic'.

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  "I'd like to teach the world to lie, in perfect harmony"

  or

  "Look at those nice pictures of the people who make fun of us being tortured and killed by Jehovah God, honey.. look at the little girl, her puppy and her doll falling into the abyss. Doesn't she look like that Amy in your class, the one who said that Jehovah's Witnesses were wrong? Serves her right!"

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  Focus
  (Focussed Class)
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  The difference between a JW and an IDIOT

  by Focus in

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  Jedi larc asked:
  

  Focus,
  Are you an attorney?

  No, I am honest.

  If not, you missed your calling.

  I assume you did not mean that as an outright insult...

  And said Kismet:

  [sundry praise snipped]
  You are too much like Friend then you may care to admit.

  Do you require to pay more attention to your reading skills, Kismet? I am not legalistic. I concern myself with substance over form. I write as I think and believe. I do not ally myself with, or support, that which I know to be wicked and evil. I will take personal risks and make RL sacrifices in order to destroy things that should be destroyed. And I tell and honor truth.

  Therefore, any similarity between myself and the deceitful, tricky, unpleasant, weasel-wording, hypocritical, double-agenda'd, thoroughly despicable members of the F iend Class is very much in the eye of the blind beholder.

  Which is perhaps why we don't see a certain objectionable mouthpiece of the spider around here that often now..

  Not that you should read me as being at all hostile to that vicious little toe-rag! In fact, I wish him only the best, and have the will and the means to get him where he truly needs to go (perhaps he doesn't see it quite that way, yet).

  Know what I mean?

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  Focus
  (Anti-WT Class)
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  The difference between a JW and an IDIOT

  by Focus in

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  Kismet unwisely scribbled on Apr 27, 2001 at 10:33:42AM:
  

  The difference between a JW and an IDIOT????
  A JW didn't ask this question.

  Well - I didn't ask a question either. FYI: the subject of the thread is "The difference between a JW and an IDIOT" and the body text of my post contained only an ".". No question was therefore asked by me. Hint: the absence of a question mark indicates this, and context proves it.

  Now we shall see who was asking a question.
  Someone wrote this:
  "The difference between a JW and an IDIOT????"
  Well it is a question (question marks galore providing prima facie evidence thereof)!

  And - ahem - the author of this question is - KISMET!

  At which point I shall requote Kismet:

  A JW didn't ask this question.

  With the implication that not a JW but an idiot asked this question - an idiot called Kismet, one can but presume!

  Don't abuse yourself in this way.. let me help you with your self-image problem!

  Kismet - who'll take a shot at an open net any day

  While the propulsion of spheroids is a pastime of no interest to me - I think what Kismet scored in its (goal)post here is termed an "own goal"

  No hard feelings. You seem to like being dismantled from time-to-time - remember the F iend episode? - so I feel it would be churlish not to oblige. Why not prepare by tussling with the deputies first - even Lennox needed to practise!

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  Focus
  (Walks-on-H2O Class)
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  Your best caption please.

  by nicolaou in

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  we all know how this works, just give us your best caption for this pic' .

  [why do i get the feeling that 'gutter' will crop up more than once?].

  nic'.

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  Yeru wrote:
  

  pair of dice

  You have misspelled paradise.

  HTH.

  --
  Focus
  (Wooden Class)