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Bill let the potential recruits and donors see that the jehovah's Witnesses' Spiritual "Mother" - "Jehovah God's Wifely Organization", in their own oft-repeated boast, is not merely the SCARLET MOTHER HARLOT of Scripture, but far worse: the most EVIL type of BABYLONIAN **WHORE**, the disgusting kind who WHORES out the bodies of her OWN LITTLE INFANT CHILDREN, while GREEDILY POCKETING the proceeds collected from the DONOR PEDOPHILES more than happy to go DOOR-TO-DOOR selling Watchtower magazines in return for the privilege of being able to RAPE and SODOMISE LITTLE KIDS. When the very policies and practises and beliefs and control structures ENABLE and MAKE EASY such acts, perhaps we are NOT just talking SPIRITUAL-PROSTITUTION or SYMBOLIC-PROSTITUTION either, eh?

what are the ALLEGATIONS?

Whatever is needed to have him judicially KILLED, of course!!! You *HAVE* been a jW in power now, haven't you?

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Focus
(Watchtower-Filth-Remover Class)

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Watchtower Moves In For Kill On silentlambs

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Focus

Do not assume that your readers will be familiar with the disgusting Cult except as being represented by some harmless-looking kooks who come knocking at their door uninvited and often at inconvenient times.

Remember, the target audience is THE WORLD. Not the jWs! MOST OF THEM ARE BEYOND ECONOMIC REPAIR!

You are warning them (the world) ABOUT THE DANGER AT THEIR DOOR from a Cult that seems to have been DESIGNED to encourage PEDOPHILIA, harbor PEDOPHILES and give them operating opportunities!

SO, WHEN GIVING THIS MATTER OF HOW THIS CULT HAS REWARDED THE BRAVE MAN WHO PROTECTED THE LITTLE CHILDREN ALL POSSIBLE PUBLICITY, PLEASE:
(a) USE THE TERM "EXCOMMUNICATION" RATHER THAN "DISFELLOWSHIPPING", WHICH IS NOT UNDERSTOOD OUTSIDE THE CULT; and
(b) POINT OUT THE CONSEQUENCES TO A BELIEVING-jW LIKE BILL OF SUCH EXCOMMUNICATION: "THAT HE WILL SOON BE KILLED BY JEHOVAH AT ARMAGEDDON, WHICH IS IMMINENT", AND THE TORTURE THAT MUST CAUSE; and
(c) POINT OUT THE CONSEQUENCES TO ANY EXCOMMUNICATED jW: "THAT HE WILL BE SHUNNED FOREVER BY ALL HIS FRIENDS AND LOVED ONES WHO ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"; and
(d) POINT OUT THE TERRIBLE PERSONAL COST OF (c), GIVEN THAT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES HAVE BEEN SO STRONGLY DISCOURAGED FROM HAVING FRIENDS OR CONTACTS OUTSIDE THE CULT AND HAVE PROBABLY SPENT MUCH OF THEIR TIME WITHIN THE CULT TRYING TO CONVERT THOSE CLOSE TO THEM, PERHAPS WITH SUCCESS - IT IS A TRIPLE-DEATH.

Thanks!

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Focus
("Bring Armageddon to the Wicked Watchtower!" Class)

PS: No, the chairman is not the Pedo. While they are DUMB, they ain't that DUMB!

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Why SILENTLAMBS MUST be Judicially Crucified.

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why silentlambs *must* be judicially crucified (watchtower's reasoning) .

many have stated how dumb the wtbts must be for arranging the judicial execution of bowen, given what the international media can do (and i sincerely hope *will* do) with the story of what the "society of the mentally-ill or perverted" in brooklyn did to the person who tried to save children from brutal and repeated rape.. actually, they had no real choice.

their real stupidity (and of course organizational criminality) was ever letting the scandal get to this stage, and we here should all know the mindset that made that happen.. given the position today, they *have* to judicially murder (the actual sentence to be executed by their crazed killer-god jehooooobah, note) - not because to "let him off" would signal more rebellions from those only held in by fear, but because the only way they can discredit bill is by calling him a disgruntled, ex-jw apostate.

Focus

Why SILENTLAMBS *MUST* be Judicially Crucified (Watchtower's Reasoning)

Many have stated how DUMB the WTBTS must be for arranging the judicial execution of Bowen, given what the international media can do (AND I SINCERELY HOPE *WILL* DO) with the story of what the "Society of the Mentally-Ill or Perverted" in Brooklyn did to the person who tried to save children from brutal and repeated rape.

Actually, they had no real choice. Their REAL STUPIDITY (and of course ORGANIZATIONAL CRIMINALITY) was ever letting the scandal get to this stage, and we here should all know the mindset that made that happen.

Given the position today, they *HAVE* to judicially murder (the actual sentence to be executed by their Crazed Killer-god jehoooooBAH, note) - not because to "let him off" would signal more rebellions from those only held in by fear, but because the only way they can discredit Bill is by calling him a disgruntled, ex-jW apostate. THEY HAVE NO OTHER WEAPON.

As an organization, they can't well do that while he manifestly is still one of Jehovah's Witnesses, now, can they?

Note the idiotic Cult-defenders to be found email-bombing the BBC Panorama website at:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/audiovideo/programmes/panorama/newsid_855000/855727.stm
were already referring to Bill of being an ex-jW and/or acccusing him of lying when he stated otherwise. I somehow don't expect they will apologize to Bill even given the evidence of the judicial committee letter presented at:
> http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=32475&page=1&site=3
as the jW capacity to self-delude and be hypocritical is without parallel! Of course, maybe they think the offense was SOOO WICKED (exposing "Mother" as a Pedophile-Enabler and Whore) that Bill deserved not one but two excommunications - in a Cult of Craziness like the Watchtower, anything is possible, and dead horses are repeatedly flogged.

Sorry, Bill, to discuss you as if you were not there.

And PLEASE see:
> http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=32459&site=3
for some statistics to support the view that as many as *** ONE IN TEN *** adult male Witnesses in North America/Europe is a PEDOPHILE. Can't be true? Well, read it and show me where I have gone wrong.

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Focus
(Retribution Shall NOT Be Thine! Class)

PS: WHEN GIVING THIS MATTER OF HOW THIS CULT HAS REWARDED THE BRAVE MAN WHO PROTECTED THE LITTLE CHILDREN ALL POSSIBLE PUBLICITY, PLEASE:
(a) USE THE TERM "EXCOMMUNICATION" RATHER THAN "DISFELLOWSHIPPING", WHICH IS NOT UNDERSTOOD OUTSIDE THE CULT; and
(b) POINT OUT THE CONSEQUENCES TO A BELIEVING-jW LIKE BILL OF SUCH EXCOMMUNICATION: "THAT HE WILL SOON BE KILLED BY JEHOVAH AT ARMAGEDDON, WHICH IS IMMINENT", AND THE TORTURE THAT MUST CAUSE; and
(c) POINT OUT THE CONSEQUENCES TO ANY EXCOMMUNICATED jW: "THAT HE WILL BE SHUNNED FOREVER BY ALL HIS FRIENDS AND LOVED ONES WHO ARE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES"; and
(d) POINT OUT THE TERRIBLE PERSONAL COST OF (c), GIVEN THAT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES HAVE BEEN SO STRONGLY DISCOURAGED FROM HAVING FRIENDS OR CONTACTS OUTSIDE THE CULT AND HAVE PROBABLY SPENT MUCH OF THEIR TIME WITHIN THE CULT TRYING TO CONVERT THOSE CLOSE TO THEM, PERHAPS WITH SUCCESS - IT IS A TRIPLE-DEATH.

Edited by - Focus on 18 July 2002 15:2:1

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Watchtower Moves In For Kill On silentlambs

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Focus

Various people have asked about rules at a jW judicial Murder, which is what Bill Bowen faces.

Here are the main written ones. The unwritten ones - which always matter MUCH more in practise - in brave Bill's case are "Cut off, Kill, Cover-Up".

I have emphasized the key extracts of the "Law from Brooklyn". The intelligent reader will understand EXACTLY why I have highlighted what I have!

'PAY ATTENTION TO YOURSELVES AND TO ALL THE FLOCK' ACTS 20:28
Kingdom Ministry School Textbook
(c) 1991 WATCH TOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF PENNSYLVANIA All rights reserved
Publishers
WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY OF NEW YORK, INC. INTERNATIONAL BIBLE STUDENTS ASSOCIATION Brooklyn, New York, U.S.A.
Pages 107-113
UNIT 5 (b) Sharing on a Judicial Committee
'When having a hearing between your brothers, you must judge with righteousness. ' (Deut. 1:16) It is a serious responsibility to judge matters that affect people's lives and relationships with others. Elders must have a reasonably complete picture when judging a matter so that their decisions will not be based on partial knowledge or on personal feelings. They also need heavenly wisdom in order to make proper application of God's Word and to determine how far their showing mercy should extend. (Prov. 28:13; Jas. 2:13) They must treat every person with impartiality at all times and desire that the spiritually ill become well again, since a failure in this regard is unjust and violates the law of love.I Tim. 5:21; Jas. 2:1-9; 5:14, 15; w77 3/1 pp. 146-52.
Elders Are Teachers and Judges As 'Judge of all the earth,' Jehovah provides fatherly correction and discipline whenever needed. (Gen. 18:25; Heb. 12:5, 6) He has raised up elders to serve as counselors and judges. (Isa. 1:26) By judging in righteousness, you may turn others back from a sinful course. (Prov. 14:12;Jer. 10:23, 24) God's Word is the basis for needed correction. (2 Tim. 3:14-17) The responsibility of elders involves more than handling Judicial matters. You must also teach, making clear what God requires. Encourage the rendering of whole-souled service to God and faithful obedience to his righteous principles.
Applying Jesus' Counsel on Handling Certain Wrongs
Some accusations involve minor misunderstandings that should be handled on a personal basis. (Matt. 5:23, 24; 6:12, 14; Eph. 4:25-27) At Matthew 18:15-17 Jesus gave counsel on handling serious wrongs that might be settled on a personal basis. (w81 9/15 pp. 17-20; om pp. 142-5) Jesus' counsel concerns serious sins committed against one personally, such as fraud or slandersins serious enough to lead to a person's being expelled from the congregation. The person who believes he has been wronged takes the first step toward resolving the matter; elders may encourage him to do this.(Matt. 18:15) The second step involves taking one or two persons with him to speak with the individual. (Matt. 18:16) These should preferably be witnesses of the alleged wrongdoing or respected brothers, usually elders, who can examine the evidence and offer counsel for resolving the matter. They also become witnesses to the evidence presented in the discussion. The person who believes he has been wronged takes the third step, bringing the matter to the congregation, as a last resort. (Matt. 18:17) If the congregation elders are unable to bring a wrongdoer to his senses, he is to be treated 'as a man of the nations and as a tax collector.' The unrepentant wrongdoer would be expelled (disfellowshipped) from the congregation.
The Judicial Committee
Other cases of serious wrongdoing require special attention by the elders in order to determine what is needed to help the repentant wrongdoer and to preserve the spiritual health of all in the congregation. These include such sins as adultery, fornication, apostasy, and drunkenness. (See Unit 5 (a), pages 92-6.) Before forming a committee, elders determine if the accusation has substance. It must Scripturally be an offense serious enough to result in disfellowshipping. There must be either two witnesses or a confession of wrongdoing. If there is not enough evidence to form a committee but serious questions have been raised, two elders may be assigned to investigate the matter. If a judicial committee is needed, elders who are present at the Kingdom Hall should determine which elders will serve on the committee and which one will be chairman. The elders will take into consideration which elders are best qualified to handle the particular type of case that has arisen. (km 9/77 pp. 5-6) It is usually best for newer elders to serve first with more experienced ones. In a complex case, a judicial committee need not be limited to three members; it may warrant having four or even five experienced elders serve. More than one judicial committee may be operating at the same time in a congregation, depending on cases that arise. Elders called upon to care for this responsibility must exercise heavenly wisdom, have good judgment, and be impartial. (Deut. 1:13, 16-18) A sound knowledge of Jehovah's righteous laws and principles is necessary.(Ps. 19:7-11) They must weigh matters carefully, realizing that certain factors make situations differ from one another.
Instead of looking for rigid rules for guidance, elders should think in terms of principles; judge each case on its own merits. Before handling a judicial case, elders should carefully review Units 5(a), 5(b), and 5(c). They may also need to do research in the Society's publications and recent correspondence from the Society to find information that may apply or be helpful. Elders can be confident that with accurate knowledge, with experience and discernment, and with the help of God's spirit, they can judge in righteousness, wisdom, and mercy.
Handling Judicial Cases
Do not send an individual any kind of correspondence that directly accuses him of specific wrongdoing. It is best for two elders to speak with the individual and invite him to meet with the Judicial committee. Suitable arrangements should be made as to the time and place of the hearing. State what the person's course of action is supposed to have been. If it is necessary to send a written invitation, you should simply state what the individual's course is alleged to have been, the time and place of the hearing, and how the person can contact the chairman if the arrangements are inconvenient for him. If the accused wishes to bring witnesses who can speak in his defense regarding the matter, he may do so. However, observers are not permitted. No tape-recording devices are allowed. If the accused repeatedly fails to come to the hearing, the committee will proceed with the hearing but will not make a decision until evidence and any testimony by witnesses are considered. The committee should not take action against a person unless the evidence clearly proves this necessary. Failure to appear before the committee is not in itself proof of guilt.
What kind of evidence is acceptable?
There must be two or three eyewitnesses, not just persons repeating what they have heard; no action can be taken if there is only one witness. (Deut. 19:15;Jol1ll 8:17) Confession (admission of wrongdoing), either written or oral, may be accepted as conclusive proof without other corroborating evidence. (Josh. 7:19) Strong circumstantial evidence, such as pregnancy or evidence (testified to by at least two witnesses) that the accused stayed all night in the same house with a person of the opposite sex (or in the same house with a known homosexual) under improper circumstances, is acceptable. The testimony of youths may be considered; it is up to the elders to determine if the testimony has the ring of truth. The testimony of unbelievers may also be considered, but it must be carefully weighed. If there are two or three witnesses to the same kind of wrongdoing but each one is witness to a separate incident, their testimony can be considered. Such evidence may be used to establish guilt, but it is preferable to have two witnesses to the same occurrence of wrongdoing.
Judging With Righteousness, Wisdom, and Mercy
Elders must exercise wisdom in their questioning and godly qualities in their judging. In giving counsel or rendering decisions, avoid expressing opinions; be sure to judge in righteousness. (Deut. 1:16,17) You must ask pertinent, discreet questions to isolate main issues and determine how or why a problem developed. Probing questions should not go into needless details, especially in regard to sexual misconduct, unless this is absolutely necessary, such as in determining whether porneia had been committed. Elders need to treat the accused kindly and respectfully, never harshly. (w89 9/15 p.19) Seek divine wisdom to help you relate Bible laws to the issues raised or the charges being considered. (Jas. 1:5; 3:17,18) You must exercise mercy in matters of judgment, not only by showing compassion in the judgment rendered but also by expressing kind consideration and pity in your efforts both to bring wrongdoers to repentance and to heal and restore those who are repentant. (Rom. 2:4; Jas. 5:14-16; Jude 22,23) In cases where it is established that a serious sin was actually committed, the judicial committee should consider such factors as these:Is there evidence of the person's craving wrongful things or courting trouble? Or did the person momentarily succumb to weakness? (Jas. 4:1) Was he aware of the gravity of his sin? (Gal. 6:1) Had he been admonished that his course was leading toward danger? (1 Thess. 5:14) What were the circumstances leading up to the wrongdoing? Are there extenuating factors, such as emotional or mental disorders or having been a victim of some type of abuse in the past, that should be considered? Was it a single offense, or was it committed more than once? Was his confession voluntary, or did he have to be accused by others before confessing? Was his reluctance to speak more a result of deep shame than of lack of repentance? Above all does he show true repentance and manifest a heartfelt desire to avoid repetition of the wrong? Even though the wrongdoer is guilty of a serious offense, elders on the judicial committee realize that their aim is to recover the one who has fallen into a wrong course, whenever this is possible. (Jude 23) If he listens to them, showing true repentance, it may be that he can be retained as a brother and thus be spared being disfellowshipped. (Prov. 19:20; compare Matthew 18:15-17.) Neither the gravity of the wrong nor bad publicity finally determines whether the person should be disfellowshipped; rather, the determining factor is the individual's sincere repentance or the lack of it. Some manifest repentance right after their sin by taking steps immediately to confess; others manifest repentance later, even during the meeting with the judicial committee. (w83 1/1 pp. 30-1) It is in the person's favor if he voluntarily confesses, but the determining factor is: Is he repentant? There is good reason for you to weigh carefully claims of repentance when the individual has shown himself to be guilty of hypocrisy, lying, or making deliberate efforts to deceive. Also be cautious when it is apparent that the wrong act was preceded by deliberate scheming, perhaps in a cold, calculating way. This is quite different from when an individual, under the unexpected pressure or certain tempting circumstances, gives in because of human weakness.

Note how the same rules that have been effectively used to deny justice to the silent lambs by not exposing or disciplining their rapists, will be coldly twisted to deny justice to Mr "Silentlambs" Bowen by holding him responsible for "spoiling the name of Jehovah" (i.e. of the Watchtower), though the detail of what he will be charged with will be quite different and all to do with obedience, submission and belief. The rapist gets off, the whistleblower gets executed.

They'll promise a fair trial - and they'll mean, and will deliver, a Fine Hanging. All politely!

Note that within their Elder's "secret" Handbook, references to the Watchtower are interspersed with those from to Bible, each carrying equal weight.

--
Focus
("Justice in/from the Watchtower" - the world's shortest book! Class)

Edited by - Focus on 18 July 2002 14:57:54

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An Elder visited my Witness mother and said...

by morrisamb in

my mother felt the need to discuss the dateline episode.

the elder said he had not seen it but heard about it.

he said, "of course, sexual abuse is a crime.

Focus

Syn wrote:

Focus: That's the spirit! Nice post...you are always so succint when dealing with this type of person. It's rather amusing seeing them go down in flames actually

No, no - you misunderstand me entirely. I am only trying to help Brother Blooper, with words of "loving" (term (c) Witchtower Babble & Trickem Sicksiety) reproof and Elder guidance. I would NEVER insult this disgusting spiritual-pornographer and disease-vector, please understand!

An apology to me is in order.

--
Focus
( Class)

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Watchtower Moves In For Kill On silentlambs

by silentlambs in

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friends

draffenville

congregation

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Focus

Dear Bill,

Inevitable, of course.

1. You stand as much chance as did old Ray Franz - that is, absolutely no chance at all. YOUR JUDICIAL EXECUTION HAS ALL BEEN PRE-ARRANGED (see 3. below). If you are present, you will be asked the question that, while worded differently, equates to "Do you accept and submit to the full authority of the Governing Body of the Jehovah's Witnesses and that of the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society as God's sole visible representatives on earth." It is Catch-22, as whichever way you answer, they have you. If you say No, you have outed yourself, and if you say Yes, then [..you know..].

2. Please, Bill and others, think how to give this retaliation and punishment as much publicity as possible. EXPLAIN TO THE PRESS THAT TO A BELIEVING JW, THIS IS DIRECTLY EQUIVALENT TO A *SURE DEATH SENTENCE FROM WHICH THERE IS NO APPEAL, COMMUTATION OR STAY* AS ARMAGEDDON IS IMMINENT AND THOSE OUTSIDE THE PROTECTION OF JEHOVAH'S CLAIMED ONLY ORGANIZATION ARE TAUGHT TO SOON BECOME "BIRDSEED".
Do the Panorama and Dateline PUBLISHERS *and* REPORTERS all know yet? If not, why not? C'mon, readers, that means I am asking YOU to inform them.

3. I am instructed to suggest that, if the opportunity arises (i.e. you decide to show up to your judicial execution) you ask the Stooges facing you what was the substance of their RELAYED verbal communications in late May 2002 with others (Brooklyn, though of course they just may not actually been told this for sure, though if they have half a brain cell between them they will have deduced the source long ago) pertaining to you - or to deny before God (sure, we know they won't "swear") that there was any.

You are a Hero, and the Spiritual-Pimps who you have upset and/or exposed will be remembered only for what they are. Please derive comfort from this.

And you too will in time come to see their whole Disgusting Whoreganization for what it is, and be glad that you are well out of her. The only drawback to this "judicial murder" of you is that they will state you are an apostate ex-jW and use that to try and discredit your fine work.

They will fail.

They are L O S I N G.

Sure, there is a lot of hard work ahead, and alas millions of victims of this Filthy Cult of Shame, both in and out of it, still suffering, but WE ARE WINNING.

While they are "waiting on Jehovah" for aid, the pervasive growth of Information Culture and the Internet and its replacement(s) GUARANTEE OUR VICTORY AND THEIR CRUSHING DEFEAT

"An informed jW is very likely to soon be an ex-jW", of course. BUT THE GREATEST WORK IS PREVENTING ANY FURTHER SPREAD OF THIS DISEASE THAT MASQUERADES AS A RELIGION.

--
Focus
("I Disfellowshipped the whole GB back in 1975." Class)

PS: To others: the terms and conditions specified for the JC hearing for Bill are exactly as apply to all jWs. "They" are careful to do nothing overt that can be used to show that this COURAGEOUS man is being singled out and punished. Of course witnesses can be brought, but certain types of people won't be allowed, and the witnesses may not be permitted to be present throughout. Now, does "tape recorded" cover forms of recording other than tape? And what if the data is just "streamed"? AT THE VERY LEAST, A FEW FULL NEWS TEAMS OUTSIDE THE DF'ing STAR CHAMBER WILL ASSIST EXPOSING THIS CULT OF PEDOPHILES AND PEDOPHILE-ENABLERS.

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Attn: SILENTLAMBS! ONE IN TEN mJW a PEDO!

by Focus in

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shame!

Focus

RunningMan wrote:

Nice math. I think your assumptions are reasonable, and the logic is correct.

Thanks!

Your reply arrived while I was still editing the original (I know, I know, but that is how I put these little posts of mine together - they are not the scholarly essays of AlanF), and as I do not believe in editing a post once I have seen that it has received a reply, I must state here two points in the Watchtower's favor that I had not yet allowed for in the reasoning presented above:
* SOME OF THE 23,720 ARE NO LONGER jWs (perhaps, a tiny number were DF'd, or DA'd themselves, or died).
* There is an (unfortunately) small annual attrition rate (average for the countries concerned: 2%) among the general population of jWs, so my method slightly underestimates the total number who have been jWs during the period the WTBTS Pedo-database was compiled.

Given, however, that at every other stage I have used figures in the Watchtower's favor and given jWs the benefit of the doubt in order to arrive at the 1.06 : 10 jW "pedophile" ratio, there is probably a netting-off and balancing, making the conclusion of "1 in 10" among adult male jWs in the regions stated a reasonable one.

Although I find the specific result to be a bit hard to accept,

Truth is often hard to accept.
fwiw, I BELIEVE THE "ONE IN TEN" FIGURE AMONG ADULT MALE jWs.

If my math, logic (given my addition above) and stated assumptions are right, as you believe them to be, then either my source data is wrong - or the conclusion is right. Some of the source data (viz. the pedophile detection-failure ratio) is arguable - such is the nature of pedophilia that no one really knows - but I used the figure most favorable to the Watchtower from those available to me.

In the words of Mr. Sherlock Holmes:
"How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?" (Chapter 6, "Sherlock Holmes Gives a Demonstration", from "The Sign Of Four" by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle).

But Bill Bowen's data on the size of the Watchtower's Pedo-database (sorry, cops, not for you, says Teddy Jackass and his henchmen Pedo-Enablers) IS reliable - for I have been supplied with almost the same figure, almost certainly from a common source within Bethel.

Unfortunately, attempts to get a copy of the database have not been successful - from my source, I understand little of it is in computer-readable form. No doubt this is deliberate. I fear that much of this Pedo-database itself will be "disappeared" in order to "protect Jehovah's name". If Enron's accountants could... so could the Brooklyn Boyz.

your analysis shows clearly that the pedophile problem is huge among JW's - bigger than most other religions.

Yep, and bigger than that in ALL other LARGE (measured by adherents) religions.

Unsurprising, given that the fear, authoritarianism, absolutism, conformity, rule-intrusion, invasive control, extreme distrust of outsiders and "keeping God's name out of dishonor"-ism is FAR higher among jWs than among ANY other large religion.

JW's are dogged by a couple of their errors:
1) They have their own judicial system. Most religions do not. If a church member commits a crime and the church never knows about it, they are not liable. JW's, however, have painstakingly made it their business to know these things. Knowledge brings responsibility.
2) They are notorious record keepers. Everthing is written down. Therefore, every policy, every crime, and every action can be proven by their own records. By comparison, Catholic priests do not record confessions, so there is no evidence that they would ever have known of crimes among their membership.

True, and I was going to include some words precisely to this effect in the original, when I saw your reply. I have scrapped the Edit and will happily adopt your text. Indeed, these two points might be seen to argue for a lower figure being used for the undetected:detected ratio (as the chance of detection is higher among a record-keeping, snooping cult). However, I have mentioned half a dozen points which mitigate in the opposite direction, and in any case I used the lowest figure given for this "undetected" ratio amongst the general population (4:1, rather than the highest of 10:1 which would have resulted in a conclusion of eleven out of fifty adult male jWs in the region being pedophilic - which SURELY cannot be true, even among this Cult of Mental Disease..... Can it?

Before anyone asks, I will give the math relating to the pedo-danger posed when there are two adult male jWs at the door (a common situation).
If the probability that any one adult male jW in the US/Canada/Europe is a pedo is 1 in 10, i.e. 10%, then the probability any such given one is NOT is 100% less 10% = 90%.
So the probability that any two are not (assuming that the pedo jWs do not overall tend to band together or apart when going door-knocking, I admit) is 90% x 90% = 81%.
And it follows that the probability that it is false that "neither is a pedo" - i.e., the probability that one or both is a pedo - must be 100% less 81% = 19%.
It is very fair to assume that the pedophiles will be more active than the average jW at the door-to-door spiritual-pimping, scouting for vulnerable young recruits as "talent" - and to ensure he stays in top-standing at the Hall (increasing his chances with the lambs already within). Even if we say Mr Average Pedo jW is just 10% more active than Mr Average non-Pedo jW in terms of doors knocked at, the calculation becomes (to three significant figures of accuracy)
100% less (89.1% x 89.1%) = c20.6%, i.e. a little more than a one in five chance that at least one is a pedo, which is what I said. Perfectionists note that it is 89.1% not 89% because if the the 10% of "local" adult male jWs who are pedos are 10% more active than Mr Average, they are doing not 10%+1%=11% but c10.9% of the "knocking" (please, no pun intended: this is no laughing matter) work, calculated as (10%+1%)/(100%+1%). Splitting micro-hairs I know, but that is what the jW F iends specialize in when they rush to defend Satan's work.

"God's People" - fer sure, these experts at "WE NEVER QUITE CLAIMED THAT!"

--
Focus
(Knocking Down Those Walls of SHAME... Class)

Edited by - Focus on 18 July 2002 12:36:14

10

An Elder visited my Witness mother and said...

by morrisamb in

my mother felt the need to discuss the dateline episode.

the elder said he had not seen it but heard about it.

he said, "of course, sexual abuse is a crime.

Focus

Some half-witted oaf called "Bleep" babbled ON THE SUBJECT OF PEDOPHILIA AMONG THE WITLESSES:

Come on now I'm sure there are less crimes that happen in the JW family.

Did you ever study math? Statistics? ANYTHING?

Try biting on this, you disgusting, filthy apparent PEDOPHILE-ENABLER:

> http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=32459&site=3

ONE IN TEN OF "ADULT" MALE jWs IN THE WEST IS A PEDOPHILE.

Then find some stone to hide under, while sucking at the pus-oozing tits of your FOUL SPIRITUAL MOTHER, THE WATCHTOWER WHOREGANIZATION, THE GREAT WHORE OF BABBLE-ON, and her daughter HARLOTS the congregations and their Depraved Elder Class.

Or show some shame and come out of the DISGUSTING THING with which you are committing SPIRITUAL-ADULTERY.

Is that clear enough for you, you of the Swine Class (term as defined by the Watchtower in their masterful 1917 work on the Books of Ezekiel and Revelation) from among the NON-PROPHET (but YES-PROFIT) Blather and Trappem Sicksiety?

Stop misleading others by SPIRITUALLY-PIMPING for the FALSE-PROPHET and ANTI-CHRIST.

If you do not understand any part of this, take this to your Elders, together with your own posts so far. I know what will follow.

--
Focus
(Presiding Overseer Class)

21

Attn: SILENTLAMBS! ONE IN TEN mJW a PEDO!

by Focus in

jw
friends

shame!

Focus

Per the reporting on BBC Panorama and evidence obtained from a number of Elders within the New York Bethel, the number of Jehovah's Witnesses in the U.S., Canada and "Europe" who are actually suspected of pedophilia (not just run-of-the-mill child abuse, like heavy beating, which is rife among the jWs) by the Watchtower Society was 23,720 (the number on the secret database which they have been compiling for only a few years) whose contents they refuse to divulge to the proper legal authorities) a few months ago. Click here for the BBC website with the official transcipt and streaming video:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/audiovideo/programmes/panorama/newsid_2114000/2114320.stm

Police, Child Protection and other Social Services in the western world generally believe that:
(a) the vast majority of incidents of pedophilia reported to ANY responsible authority (and in the case of hapless jWs, their elders and the Society represent the Supreme Visible Authority on Earth) are genuine (though there may not be enough evidence to prosecute, because of the difficulties of proof beyond a reasonable doubt) - certainly 90% are bona fide.
(b) For every pedophile who is known (whether or not convicted), there are 4 to 10 pedophiles who are not. I would add that among the Witnesses, where most children feel particularly unempowered and older men reign supreme, where they know they will be disbelieved, where the older ones know from tales of other painful "meetings with the Elders" that the authorities they so greatly fear will place impossible burdens of proof upon them, that the star-chamber, hostile interrogations they will have to endure at the hands of the perpetrator's perceived allies and friends - remember, as often as not the pedophile is one of the Elders himself - will be real torture indeed and that they will be seen, whatever the outcome, as being wholly or partly to blame for bringing "Jehovah's name into disrepute" makes it far less likely they will ever open their little mouths about what their Brother did, the proportion is probably far higher. But I will be cautious, give the benefit of the doubt to the Watchtower, and stick with the lowest figure on the scale here - just a 4:1 ratio.

A careful web search on www.google.com etc. will confirm all of the above. Did you know approximately how many sexually-oriented images of young children (not 16-year old maidens - I am talking about 12-year olds, 10-year olds, 8-year olds, 6 year-olds.... are traded/exchanged/downloaded on the Internet alone each day? The figure is shocking.

So how many pedophiles are there among the jWs of North America and Europe?

Now, I shall NOT make ANY adjustment to:
1. The figures taken by the Police to indicate the extent of undetected pedophilia among the overall population (despite the many factors listed above making it less likely that child victims who are jWs will whistle-blow to anyone at all); or
2. To the figures for the likelihood that the allegation is false (despite "telling the truth" being drummed into young jWs at every opportunity); or
3. The number of pedophiles reported to jWs but not, for whatever reason (Elder incompetence? Bethel-bungling? Local cover-up? Bethel cover-up?) passed on to Bethel in a way that got the alleged perpetrator onto the secret database.

AT EACH AND EVERY OPPORTUNITY, I AM GIVING THE WATCHTOWER THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.

The math therefore yields:

23720 x 90% x (1 + 4) = 106,470

as being the number of pedophile jWs in North America and Europe. If you are arithmetic-challenged, what I did was use the data from (a) to deduct 10% as "false alarms", and then use the data from (b) to allow for a minimum 4:1 unreported:reported ratio for pedophiles.

Let us now work out the proportion of pedophiles among the Western Jehovah's Witnesses.

Here are the peak figures for JWs in the USA, Canada and a generously-defined Europe (there is no clear agreement over what Europe comprises - I have generously included islands and the Baltic states, but excluded other ex-USSR states), taken over the last few years (not just any one year) from the WATCHTOWER'S OWN PUBLISHED STATISTICS, and then rounded UPWARDS by me. Note that the higher are these numbers, the BETTER it is for the Watchtower (as the proportion of pedophiles will then be lower).

Albania 1,900
Andorra 200
Austria 21,000
Belgium 27,000
Bulgaria 1,100
Canada 120,000
Cyprus 1,900
Czech Rep 17,000
Denmark 16,000
Eire 4,700
Estonia 3,900
Finland 20,000
France 130,000
Germany 180,000
Gibraltar 200
Greece 28,000
Holland 33,000
Hungary 22,000
Iceland 400
Italy 240,000
Latvia 2,100
Liechtenst. 100
Lithuania 2,400
Luxembourg 2,000
Norway 10,000
Poland 130,000
Portugal 49,000
Romania 39,000
San Marino 200
Slovakia 13,000
Slovenia 2,000
Spain 110,000
Sweden 25,000
Switz'd 19,000
UK 130,000
USA 1,010,000
Yugoslavia 5,200
TOTAL 2,417,300

N.B. The figure for "Yugoslavia" contains the figures for all the modern states that used to be part of Yugoslavia.

And let us add a generous 82,700 for "nearly-there" publishers, and in respect of the few jWs in European states not mentioned above (e.g. in European Russia).

Most observers believe the Watchtower does not understate these published statistics (if anything, in recent years they are overestimates, to bolster the confidence of jWs who keep hearing about large numbers of disillusioned Witnesses leaving). Let us give the Watchtower the benefit of the doubt (yet again), however, and make no downward adjustment to their figures.

That brings us to a grand total of 2.5 million jWs in North America and Europe.

In reality, the likely figure is lower.

Almost all non-passive (i.e. not just "enabling") pedophiles are males (this agrees
with Court conviction records for pedophile offenses). So, let us ask how many of these 2.5 million North American or European jWs are MALES over the age of (say) 16? Though the Watchtower is tight-lipped about these things, and for whatever reason (greater ability to submit to unjust authority?), it is well known that females significantly outnumber males among the jWs in the richer countries. Such is the shortage of males (and to mate with an unbeliever would be an unequal yoking and is virtually prohibited), the number of frustrated "desperately seeking" Susans in the congregations is a matter of humor to all who know the jWs! And, there are a huge number of publishers counted who are only children. From the above, I would deduce that fewer than 40% of the 2.5 million are males over 16 years of age, i.e. fewer than one million.

Again, to be generous to the Watchtower I will take the figure of 1 million.

So, we have at least 106,470 pedophiles, almost all males, out of 1 million male jWs over 16 years of age and living in North America and Europe.

THAT WORKS OUT TO OVER ONE IN TEN OF 'ADULT' MALE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES (IN THE US/CANADA/EUROPE) BEING A PEDOPHILE

SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!

BILL BOWEN WAS THEREFORE *NOT* CORRECT TO CALL IT JUST AN EPIDEMIC AMONG THE JWs.

FOR, IT IS FAR **MORE** THAN AN EPIDEMIC!

IT IS A CULTURE.

THE WATCHTOWER SURE IS THE "PARADISE ORGANIZATION" ALL RIGHT. FOR PEDOPHILES.

I therefore accuse every thinking (OK, I know that lets most of the brainwashed Cult-Morons off the hook) adult Jehovah's Witness of being EITHER:
(a) A PEDOPHILE; or
(b) A PEDOPHILE-ENABLER.

"You will know the Truth and the Truth will set you free." -John 8:32

INTERNETTERS (ALMOST ALL OF WHOM ARE IN US/CANADA/EUROPE: per the CIA Facts website, those countries account for about 90% of Internet accounts) WHEN THOSE TWO MALE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES COME TO YOUR DOOR, there is better than a ONE IN FIVE chance that at least one of them has PEDOPHILIC TENDENCIES.

Still want to open your door when you hear THE KNOCK?

And if you do, think of what UPBUILDING things you could do next.

THEY WANT TO PROTECT THEIR CULT AT ALL COSTS. LET THE SILENT LAMBS WRITHE AND BE TORTURED.

Such "opportunities" helps recruit more male Jehovah's Witnesses, anyway, of a particular "persuasion".

Ideal material for the future Elder Class and the Bethel Class and the Governing Body Class, remembering their illustrious past. After all, Watchtower FOUNDER Charles Taze Russell was exposed as a NOTORIOUS PEDOPHILE both in COURT and in the "Brooklyn Eagle" newspaper, at least one GB member was quietly removed because of his buggery of young boys in his care, and third jW President Nathan Knorr was caught in the Bethel toilets instructing young male Bethelites in the use of their penises - "right handling", as he termed it, with demonstration provided... and much more.

FOR WHERE THERE ARE SHEEP - AND ESPECIALLY LAMBS - THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF WOLVES

******* ONE IN TEN *******, it appears.

Far worse than among other large religions/cults, one can but conclude.

But with typical braindead/criminal jW hypocrisy, we see from the Letters Column on the BBC website Witnesses claiming that the relatively uncommon incidences of pedophilia in the Catholic hierarchy proves they are from Satan, and the more common incidences within the Watchtower Cult proves:
(a) they are being persecuted; and
(b) the End of this Wicked System of Things is near; and
(c) the Jehovah's Witnesses are God's Only Chosen Organization.

Brilliant "logic", eh!

A PEDOPHILE PARADISE, enabled by those Disgusting SPIRITUAL-PORNOGRAPHERS in Brooklyn and their SPIRITUAL-PIMPS around the world.

--
Focus
(Disgusted! Class)

Footnote: Additionally, I am informed by my Bethel source that as and when the Watchtower claims that the figure of 23,720 pedophile suspects on their database is inflated, as some of the 23,720 individuals are in fact the same perpetrators who have been "double-counted" (i.e., with claims made against each of them by more than one victim), they would be ADMITTING they are in possession of VITAL evidence (i.e. of more than one victim and accuser for the very same pervert for the very same type of offense) which provides compelling indication of his guilt, but still refuse to pass on any data to the responsible authorities.

However, do not underestimate the sliminess of the Teddy-Jackass-Class (and J.R.Brown-Nose-Underclass) that rules in Crooklyn. They have this worked out already. Two witnesses, but each to a different pedophile incident, does not meet their strict """"Biblical"""" test for two witnesses or no claim at all. And you know, straight from the front-orifice of the JACKASS: "We do not go beyond the things that are written."

Edited by - Focus on 18 July 2002 10:38:38