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  Waiting on jehovah ... and the Governing Body

  by Focus in

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  ("i've already disfellowshipped the governing body" class).

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  The Complete Scammer's Guide - by "Pastor" Russell (New Light!)

  by Focus in

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  2. friends

  most of us are reasonably familiar with reports of scandalous goings-on of that old jellyfish lecher, the founder of the watchtower cult, the one and only charles taze russell.. but, are these stories true?.

  this thread is going to be devoted to his allegedly scurrilous activities.

  so, bookmark it, please, bro' focus is in possession of noo light, and we're going to explore russell like you've never seen him explored before.. we're approaching his 100th death anniversary, and for all i know this virtual exhumation may lead to a real one.

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  it's believable, but just.

  EdenOne, I'm sorry to be the one to have to break this to you, but you have evidently missed not one, but three highly pertinent facts.

  (1) It is, in fact, not in the least bit surprising that Maria Russell would have been there in Canada in court,

  Rev'd J.J. Ross, clearly a man of means*, would have paid for her passage.

  After all - he had just then voluntarily paid for all the costs of Charles Russell's own passage to Hamilton!

  Yes, the defendant voluntarily paid for Russell to come and press his plaint. Didn't you read the record?

  Why did Ross take this extraordinary step? Simple if you have followed the story.

  The Canadian Ross had published a very accurate and highly damaging expose of Russell's crooked ways. Russell had responded by filing an official complaint of criminal libel against Ross, expecting Ross to be scared and back down.

  But quite the opposite happened. Russell had hugely underestimated the intelligent and resourceful Ross.

  As a result of Ross's vigorous response, Russell had no intention of coming to the trial, realizing by now that Ross would not back down, had amassed plenty of evidence and was more than spoiling for a fight - and a chance to obtain additional material with which to expose Russell. Which indeed Ross did, producing a second pamphlet with a supplement and still more damaging material about the rogue.

  Russell realized his bluff had been called.

  He realized that if he, the allegedly criminally-libelled party, now failed to show up in court, the case would automatically be dismissed, and that this was the best outcome for him. He would not need to climb down and could claim (as he did) that he didn't have the money to go to Canada (a total lie; he'd just returned from a luxury cruise of the Caribbean).

  Instead Ross brilliantly outwitted Russell by paying for his enemy's passage, and publishing that he had done so.

  Now Russell was hoist with his own petard, and his excuse that he couldn't afford it (the liar had been pleading poverty for nearly a decade by then, having hidden all his wealth behind corporations and trusts) had been taken away by Ross's brilliance.

  So he went, the case proceeded - and it was thrown out.

  * How do I know Ross was well-off? He'd published and distributed a number of free pamphlets and paid for Russell's passage to the court.

  So, inviting Maria Russell too, all expenses paid, would have been the smart thing for Ross to do - who knows what more would have then come out in open court, that had not during the divorce proceedings. Maria had now been thoroughly cheated by the "Pastor" over alimony and was no doubt boiling with rage against her villainous "spouse".

  And Ross was smart.

  Conclusion: Ross had the brains, motive and had the money, and Maria most certainly the motive. Only EdenOne is surprised with his illogical comment "The article barely passes the credibility test".

  (2) We will now use the logical tool of reductio ad absurdum for a second "proof".

  Several years ago, Russell had unsuccessfully tried to sue the Eagle for libel. The newspaper knew he would not spare them if they got something wrong.

  Stating that his ex-wife was willing to testify for the defence where the defendant had written a pamphlet which was almost as scathing of Russell's "character" (sic) as mine would have been, is clearly highly defamatory.

  Had Russell brought suit, truth would be the only possible defence.

  The burden of proof would have fallen on the person publishing the libel.

  If indeed the Eagle had been unable to prove that Maria had been there to testify for the defence, the paper would have suffered a ruinous loss in the libel court back in New York, and Russell would have never stopped crowing about it until syphilis, arsenical poisoning or even cystitis.

  Were they insane to take that risk, and undo everything? Further, they were a well-respected paper and would be trashing their own reputation.

  Using reduction ad absurdum, as they were clearly not setting themselves up to be hammered in the courts and lose their reputation and a lot of money, to someone they did not love too well, it follows that the article is absolutely accurate.

  (3) If even a word of this Brooklyn Daily Eagle account was untrue, or misleading, the Watchtower would have seized on this to show bias and persecution.

  The WYS has had over 100 years in which to do this.

  The Watchtower has not done it.

  They have attacked the Ross pamphlet, but they've never contested the Eagle's coverage of this.

  Q.E.D.

  Three reasons. You go looking for train tickets for Maria, I don't have any. I'm sure the Eagle kept all the proof it needed, and threw it away after the dirty old liar died as the libel question died with Russell.

  So, you are wholly wrong, yet again. This is getting tiresome. I'll forgive evil (perhaps) but never such frightful boring-ness. Yes, I'm fed up of proving you've misuderstood things. Please think long and hard before posting these sort of ill-thought out doubts, right?

  I can't manufacture other sources. This happened over 100 years ago. No one knew back then that this crazy kooky cult would morph into a giant worldwide disease.

  Note: I don't need telling the following: I am careful to accuse only of that which I can reasonably prove, at least on the balance of likelihood (though usually beyond a reasonable doubt). I don't need lessons about this - thanks all the same.

  I'm now post-limited (i.e., muzzled) by choosing to deal with that odious swine on the other thread, instead of taking things to RL where it is far more satisfying, so you won't be hearing from me for some time.

  Next time - please - reflect carefully, and try to learn from your errors. Experience is the best teacher, but it is very expensive, and it has to be your expense. I'm not going to continue subsidising your education, EdenOne.

  What are you going to do for me, now?

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  "God-breathed Scriptures"

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my study responds to the articles inspiration and canon in the book, insight on the scriptures.

  there can be few topics of more significance, regardless of ones attitude to the bible.. http://www.jwstudies.com/god-breathed_scriptures.pdf .

  doug.

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  Do you think Paul, with his colossal ego, felt he was writing inspired words at the time.

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  Don't be absurd.

  He felt he was setting up a lucrative scam.

  Which he was.

  And one that would feed his colossal ego.

  "Follow the money," as they say in Jerusalem and elsewhere.

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  A "follow up" meeting?!?!

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well, now they want a follow up visit!

  when you tell the elders that you have doubts and they say " its okay, we have had our doubts.

  having doubts is not apostasy.

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  As one Elder said, sometimes things are said and done that are not exactly right, but protecting the flock is a just cause and the motives were pure.

  Wow.... You really do have it bad.

  "Pure motives" of "protecting the flock" from learning the truth, that is...

  The truth being that they are being systematically Spiritually-Raped by a giant, greedy, MLM-oriented publishing corporation.

  These lowlifes ("Elders") are none other than Spiritual-Sodomizers. By the definition of "Spiritual Fornication" that the Watchtower itself published. Want the reference?

  The sooner you start thinking that they ARE the Enemy - a ruthless, untrustworthy, lying, despicable enemy too, pretending to be the opposite - the better equipped you are to deal with this filth.

  Their ONLY hold over you is due to the love you have for others.

  That is how low down and hateful they are. They will use something essentially "good" in you, in order to control you and make you do evil.

  Try to do it your "fade" way first, by all means.

  If it looks like it isn't working, switch to Plan B. A giant shift.

  Scare the life out of these rapists. Tell them if they impede your "fade", you will set up a website exposing the Watchtower fraud, and you will name them and have their photographs on page one of the site. Get your camera out and take their photos on the spot, while you say that.

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  Is it a sheep or a goat?

  by Caedes in

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  2. current

  so which biblical 'kind' is it, a sheep or a goat?

  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26882203.

  a rare, hybrid animal that is part goat and part sheep has been born on a farm in the republic of ireland.

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  Neither a sheep nor a goat, as far as I can see. More like a noisy, stupid jackass that enjoyed watching its own mother being spiritually-sodomized.

  It's an abomination!

  You got it.

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  A "follow up" meeting?!?!

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well, now they want a follow up visit!

  when you tell the elders that you have doubts and they say " its okay, we have had our doubts.

  having doubts is not apostasy.

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  DATA-DOG:

  These things cause me so much anxiety that I lose sleep. I will literally have a knot in my stomach for days because of this. It's like the Elders are so pre-occupied with getting the demons out of my head, that they have not considered that drilling through my skull is a bad idea

  Boy, you still have it bad.

  These assh*les are simply lying, uneducated, impotent, ignorant Spiritual-Pedophiliac Wolves. Keep telling yourself that.

  Why the f**k should YOU be afraid? THEY should be afraid. Very afraid!

  Print out a short copy of my list:

  http://www.freeminds.org/history/list.htm

  in advance. Get them in the room and lock the door surreptitiously. Start reading it with, and then, to, them - loudly.

  Tell them the key to the room will cost them a hundred bucks. If they start to give you a hundred bucks, say sorry they tarried too long for the virgins, and the price is now a grand.

  When eventually they call the cops, have a good story ready. The key is advance preparation. If you are smart and play this right, this will go very badly for them. No need to lie, either. They did attempt to sodomise you - just spiritually.

  I assure you that you won't see the dirtbags again.

  The secret is not feeling sorry for them.

  

  That above is one more truth about The Truth.

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  can Satan read your mind?

  by doodle-v in

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  2. friends

  i talked to my brother today who is still a practicing jw (i've managed to fade) .

  we were talking and suddenly he asked me if i thought satan could read my mind.

  and he said "yeah i though the answer was yes and then i found out that satan cant read my mind".

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  I'm far more comfortable with a (non-existent) SATAN reading my mind than a (also non-existent) JEHOVAH reading my mind.

  Satan and I would probably be on very good terms.

  Neither of us tells lies or deceives others. All the non-human lying in the Bible is committed by gOD, starting from the first chapter of Genesis. Satan never tells a single lie.

  Neither of us goes out and kills people, despite the temptation. Satan doesn't kill anyone in the Bible, but gets the blame for Jehovah's goof-ups. Jehovah, in contrast, slaughters (and intends to slaughter) billions.

  And so on...

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  Giving "Jehovahs spirit" credit for mundane, everyday things!

  by BU2B in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am hearing this more and more and it is like nails on a chalkboard.

  i hear it from the wt, from elders, from my parents and from jws in general.

  this had to be jehovahs spirit!

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  OneEyedJoe:

  Thing's I've heard attributed to holy spirit/Jehovah

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  Finding a roll of toilet paper in the street while in service (apparently the pioneer sister had just run out and couldn't afford groceries for another couple days)

  Hmmm.

  How did the toilet roll get there, then? Sure wasn't by divinely ordained materialization, was it?

  Fact Check:

  It was somebody else's toilet roll.

  If jehooover is to get credit, then he caused some other poor person to lose or drop that toilet roll in the first place.

  A toilet roll which they may have desperately needed... You Know what I mean.

  So this shameful Gooober gawd, not just a Pedophile-Enabler (his two-witnesses rule) and a Bestiality-Encourager (he brought the animals, teaches the WTS, to Adam to choose one to have sex with; it didn't happen only because Adam showed better taste) and a Liar (starting with the "on the day ye shall eat fruit from this tree, ye shall surely die"), is also a THIEF.

  Filthy swine...

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  Watchtowers God cannot see very far into the future.

  by Jeannette in

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  2. family

  he wanted all his people to be window washers, toilet bowl cleaners, floor moppers, minimum wage workers, not get an education to get higher paying jobs and have some security, and now this country is being flooded by plenty of workers that will do minimum wage jobs.

  kind of leaves us begging.

  why didn't he see this coming and encourage us to get educated while we had the chance.

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  What "Watchtower gOD" would that be, then? There's no room for his sort in the organization.

  Here, look at the Official Organizational Chart and try to find Jehooover:

  

  Oh, he is in there somewhere in the middle.

  If you're looking for Jesus, he's there too... Above the "Former Jehovah's Witnesses". But only just. See "Pigs covered with excrement".

  (This chart seems to have been inspired by my own List of 100 Watchtower Ranks - whoever took that inspiration, well done!)

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  "New Book" God's Kingdom Rules

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i heard that on sat the jws released a new book at the convention god's kingdom rules.

  is it a verse by verse of ezekiel or daniel?

  does it mention the "overlapping generation"?

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  Yes, Anomaly, that is a despicable lie on p53.

  It is worse than just a lie. It is a carefully crafted deception, designed to fool all but those both vigilant and knowledgeable.

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