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More Tips for KID-MURDER (special for F iend)

by Focus in

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some more tips on child murder (for the benefit of our dear "friend"):.

*** w91 6/15 18 [italics mine].

if you have children, are you sure that they agree with and can explain the bible-based stand on transfusions?

Focus

Tallyman:
Message relayed. I am happy to see that you are unfazed by lurkernomore, which probably is one of the bio-degradeable WTS-apologists from a.r.j-w who is really irked that justice was done; I hope you continue to post here (h2O, thanks to the ravages of Moderator 101 and cohorts, is increasingly a waste of time: as they sowed, now shall they reap).

BadAssociate:

i'm not sure if the subtle approach you're using to draw your f iend out will succeed. impeccable content

Yes, I thought I was being too subtle for him... These spiritual drunkards think they are playing golf with god but miss the wood for the tees.

jelly:

Isn't wonderfull that the sociey is there to let people know what they believe .. I think this is the stupidest thing I have ever seen in print.

On the Watchtower Scale of Sheer Idiocy, where 0 represents a sensible, balanced, fair statement (rare indeed in WTS-LitterItchAhhh) and 10 represents babbling insanity, IMO it only scores a 6 or 7. Right up there at 9 is the following brilliancy:

Revelation 14:20 'And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and (six) two hundred furlongs' [means] A stadium is 606 3/4 English ft,; 1200 stadii are, mi., 137.9. The work on this volume was done in Scranton, Pa. As fast as it was completed it was sent to the Bethel. Half of the work was done at an average distance of 5 blocks from the Lackawanna station and the other half at a distance of 25 blocks. Blocks in Scranton are 10 to the mile. Hence the average distance to the station is 15 blocks, or 1.5 mi. Official Railway Guide time table distance Scranton to Hoboken Terminal, 133.0 mi. New York City Engineer's official distance Hoboken to the Bethel, via Barclay Street Ferry, Fulton Street and Fulton Ferry, 8,850, 4,950, 2,540 and 1,460 feet respectively, or a total of 3.4 mi. Shortest distance from place where the winepress was trodden by the Feet Members of the Lord, Whose Guidance and help alone made this volume possible. mi., 137.9.. John 6:60,61 .. Matt. 20:11

Fine spiritual food on page 230 of 'The Finished Mystery', 1917, a People's Pulpit Association publication for the Watchtower Society.

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Focus
(Hoboken Class)

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http://www1.tip.nl/~t661020/wtcitaten/part1.htm
http://localsonly.wilmington.net/jmalik/TheList.zip
http://www.concordance.com/watchtower.htm
http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/the_list.html
http://www.3dom.freeserve.co.uk/main.htm

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More Tips for KID-MURDER (special for F iend)

by Focus in

jw
friends

some more tips on child murder (for the benefit of our dear "friend"):.

*** w91 6/15 18 [italics mine].

if you have children, are you sure that they agree with and can explain the bible-based stand on transfusions?

Focus

SOME MORE TIPS ON CHILD MURDER (for the benefit of our dear "Friend"):

*** w91 6/15 18 [italics mine]
If you have children, are you sure that they agree with and can explain the Bible-based stand on transfusions? Do they truly believe this stand to be God's will? Are they convinced that to violate God's law would be so serious that it could put at risk a Christian's prospect for everlasting life? Wise parents will review these matters with their children, whether they be very young or almost adults. Parents may hold practice sessions in which each youth faces questions that might be posed by a judge or a hospital official. The goal is not to have a youth repeat by rote selected facts or answers. It is more important that they know what they believe, and why. Of course, at a court hearing, the parents or others might present information about the risks of blood and the availability of alternative therapies. But what a judge or an official would likely seek to learn from speaking with our children is whether they maturely understand their situation and options and also whether they have their own values and firm convictions.

One wonders where the spineless coward is hiding - for hiding it certainly was that F iend received in this forum. Advice from the FDS on dealing with apostates is to be found at http://206.61.99.151/forum/thread.asp?id=3754&site=3 - I wonder if it qualifies as Policy, which is a term which which F iend was idiotically contending had a clearcut meaning when applied to a cheating, lying, disgusting, weasel-wording whoreganization such as the Watchtower Babble & Trappem Sicksiety.

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Focus
(Stoning is FAR too good for them! Class)

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Sorry ".forbid..to kill apostates&...

by MacHislopp in

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hello , a stern warnig to everyone..... *** w52 11/15 703 questions from readers ***.

in the case of where a father or mother or son or daughter is disfellowshiped, how should such person be treated by members of the family in their family relationship?p.

c., ontario, canada.. we are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from god and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of israel in the wilderness of sinai and in the land of palestine.

Focus

Forbidden to kill apostates, MacHislopp? I think you need some New Light on this matter, perhaps you are not keeping up to date!

*** w01 7/15 9-11 Righteous Requirements ***
The kingdom of God is the highest government anyone can serve. To be acceptable all kingdom service must find its motive in love for Jehovah. All desiring to be pleasing to God must always keep this foremost in mind. A call to action is now going forth to Jehovah's people throughout the earth. It is a righteous call, and action is a righteous requirement. This is not a new call to action but a revival of one Jehovah's people obeyed in the days of Israel. Jehovah is our great God and Christ Jesus is his anointed King. In 1918 the King came to his temple class which is composed of the dedicated, spirit-begotten and anointed members of his body. He has judged them clean and commissioned them to act as his 'faithful and discreet slave'. -Matt. 25:45-47. The King has placed this slave over his earthly household and has given him charge over all his goods with specific instructions to bring forth 'food in due season' for the household of faith. The servant was also anointed 'to tell good news to the meek .. to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to those taken captive and the wide opening of the eyes even to the prisoners; to proclaim the year of good will on the part of Jehovah and the day of vengeance on the part of our God; to comfort all the mourning ones'. -Isa. 61:1-3. The Scriptures and the facts clearly establish that the commission given to the 'faithful slave' is grounded in the Word of Jehovah. There is only one organization on earth today fulfilling these righteous requirements - The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society under the direction of its Governing Body. Jehovah through the Governing Body is now proclaiming his day of vengeance. This Society was authorized by Jehovah to bring forth things new and old for the household of faith and do his work. Therefore it is fully qualified and duly authorized to issue a 'call to action' to all who claim to be on Jehovah's side in these final days to busy themselves in doing the work of Jehovah. This 'call to action' sent out by Jehovah through the Society is based on the fulfilled prophecies of his Word clearly revealed to those who have the mind of Jehovah, in such Watchtower articles as 'What It Takes to Keep Separate from the World' in the June 15, 1980 issue, 'Godly Conduct Toward Others' and 'Disfellowshiping - How To View It' in the September 15, 1981 issue, 'Christ Hated Lawlessness - Do You?' in the July 15, 1992 issue and 'At Which Table Are You Feeding?' in the July 1, 1994 issue. These thrilling prophecies were called to our attention during the past year and clearly reveal Jehovah's requirements for those who are under the leadership of his King. These are, therefore, right and righteous requirements for every dedicated servant of Jehovah. As the above mentioned articles show, Jehovah prophesied that his servants would 'hate those who are intensely hating you, O Jehovah,' and would feel 'a loathing for those revolting against you.' How does Jehovah issue the call to his people? Does it come in the form of a harsh ultimatum: You do thus and so, or else? No! Such ultimatums are not necessary. Jehovah never adopts that attitude toward his servants. Instead, he foretold that his servants would offer themselves willingly. (Psalm 110:3). His anointed King prophesied 'whoever wants to save his soul will lose it; but whoever loses his soul for my sake will find it.' This call is therefore for those who love Jehovah and rejoice in his righteous requirements and who wish to live in and accept the responsibilities of his government. Such show their faith and faithfulness by their response to the call to action. When this class sees the issue and hears the call, that is all that is necessary. Jesus says of them, 'For they know the good shepherd's voice, and a stranger will they not follow.' (John 10:4,5) Jehovah always issues his call to action in an organized, systematic manner. This is emphasized throughout the Bible, from the opening chapters of Genesis to the concluding chapters of Revelation. Let us consider two by way of illustration. In Genesis 1:26 Jehovah issued a 'call to action' to his Son, the Logos, and such other agencies as were required for the creation of man, in these words: 'And God went on to say: 'Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness.'' This is all there was to it. Jehovah expressed his will. That expressed will became 'organization instructions' to the Logos. It was at that time that 'the morning stars joyfully cried out together, and all the sons of God began shouting in applause'. (Job 38:7) Another splendid illustration of Jehovah's expressing his will, which expressed will became 'organization instructions' to Jesus and all other servants of Jehovah participating in the great drama, is the 110th Psalm, particularly the first three verses: 'The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is: `Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet. The rod of your strength Jehovah will send out of Zion, saying: 'Go subduing in the midst of your enemies.' Your people will offer themselves willingly on the day of your military force. In the splendors of holiness, from the womb of the dawn, you have your company of young men just like dewdrops.'' Every organization requires specific instructions for those who serve in it. In the past Jehovah issued his 'organization instructions' to his servants through his central agency or channel. Each one joyfully accepted his part and faithfully carried it out. Now, the apostle says, Jehovah speaks to us through his Son. (Heb. 1:1,2) The Son has returned as King; he has come to his temple. He has appointed his 'faithful and discreet slave', who is his visible representative, and says to those who are privileged to represent him upon the earth, 'This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations' (Matthew 24:14); and, 'Do I not hate those who are intensely hating you, O Jehovah, and do I not feel a loathing for those revolting against you? With a complete hatred I do hate them. They have become to me real enemies.' These expressions of God's will by his King and through his established agency constitute his law or rule of action for the 'faithful and discreet slave' and for their companions today. Jehovah breaks down our organization instructions further and makes them more practicable by further instructing us through his Word. He says, 'In case your brother .. should try to allure you .. you must not accede to his wish or listen to him, nor should your eye feel sorry for him, nor must you feel compassion, nor cover him protectively; but you should kill him without fail. Your hand first of all should come upon him to put him to death, and the hand of all the people afterward. And you must stone him with stones, and he must die, because he has sought to turn you away from Jehovah your God.. Then all Israel will hear and become afraid, and they will not do anything like this bad thing again in your midst.' Apostates are lawless ones and these always try to allure Jehovah's faithful ones to serve 'other gods.' Our obligation to hate lawlessness applies to all activity by apostates. Our attitude toward apostates should be that of David, who declared: 'Do I not hate those who are intensely hating you, O Jehovah, and do I not feel a loathing for those revolting against you? With a complete hatred I do hate them. They have become to me real enemies.' These directions come to us from Jehovah through his established agency directing what is required of us; and, for those who really love Jehovah and are guided by his counsel, that is a reasonable requirement. It is for our good that these requirements are made; for thereby we are enabled to prove our integrity and magnify Jehovah's name. The time has come when each one must bear his own burden fully before Jehovah

. With the loving provisions that he has now made in supplying us with spiritual counsel and instructions as to our obligation towards apostates, there is absolutely no excuse for any Christian man or woman to claim to be unable to accept this assignment and assume full responsibility for it. Those who really love Jehovah and are fighters for the New Order will not try to excuse themselves on any ground, but will hear Jehovah's word when he says, Let us do thus and so, and always keep in mind the us includes Christ, who will be with us in every undertaking, and angels too, if all invisibly. -Matthew 18:20. Jehovah through his 'faithful and discreet slave' now states to us, 'Let us seek out apostates in our territory and deal scripturally with them.' That becomes our organization instructions and has the same binding force on us that his statement to the Logos had when he said, 'Let us make man in our image.' It is our duty to accept this additional instruction and obey it. But someone will say, 'The conditions are different. In the case of the Logos, he could accomplish what Jehovah commanded him to do; but when it comes to seeking out apostates, that is out of all reason. We have never sought out apostates before, and besides, Jehovah never authorized us to kill other humans. It just can't be done.' We have all heard that argument before. And if it were true it would look bad indeed, and would imply that Jehovah was asking us to do something that is impossible for us to accomplish. The children of Israel walked around Jericho seven times the last day. Phinehas was empowered to clear out what was bad from Israel's midst (Numbers 25:6-8). As loyal servants of Jehovah, so will his holy spirit empower us today in his holy elimination work to rid this one-day paradise earth of loathsome apostates.

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Focus
(Stay Anonymous and thank AF! Class)

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PEDOPHILES are to WTS as flies are to honey?

by Focus in

w73 11/15 703-4 questions from readers ***.

do paul's words at 1 corinthians 6:1-7 mean that under no circumstances should a christian take to court a case involving a fellow believer?

-u.s.a. here paul was showing the corinthian christians the inconsistency of taking disputes between christians before secular tribunals.

Focus

Michael3000 wrote:

No. No, I cannot agree. The WTBTS routinely tells elder bodies that if they report a molestation incident to the authorities (especially when it's not required to do so by law), that the elder body is on it's own - no help from "Mother".

Which, of course, is in line with what I have already written - the WTBTS uses many overt and many more covert methods to discourage molestations from being reported to secular authorities. For reasons that anyone who studies this thread will understand.

A gentle hint, Michael3000: threading is not obvious here, so you should state with whom you are disagreeing (or agreeing) - the casual reader might think you were disagreeing with me! Now, that would not do.

The person with whom you are rightly disag eeing is, in fact, a particula ly odious, unt uthful, misleading, weasel-wo ding, hypoc itical, deceitful, vile, unpleasant, insolent spi itual-pimp (*) who posts he e unde the name "F iend".

His web-b owser (ah, the "r" is working again!) often develops technical faults (to quote a PB-ism) when he is on the losing end of arguments, so don't hold your breath.

Note: (*) Of course, Fiend might just be quite mad and stupid instead - giving him the benefit of the doubt.

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Focus
(WTBTS=FRAUD Class)

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Big Boys Don't Cry........

by ISP in

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big boys don't cry!

well that's what we are told anyway!

and i guess this convention is widespread in many cultures.

Focus

LDH opined:

Esther 8:9 is the longest verse !

In what language and what version, my dear?

Using the KJV (English) Bible, here are the 11 shortest verses by character count (shortest first)
John 11:35
1 Chronicles 1:25
1 Thessalonians 5:16
1 Chronicles 1:1
Exodus 20:13
Deuteronomy 5:17
1 Chronicles 1:26
Nehemiah 10:15
Luke 17:32
Exodus 20:15
1 Thessalonians 5:17

And the 11 longest (longest first):
Esther 8:9
2 Kings 16:15
Jeremiah 21:7
Ezekiel 48:21
Esther 3:12
Joshua 8:33
Daniel 5:23
Ezra 3:8
Jeremiah 44:12
2 Chronicles 31:1
Ezekiel 43:11

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Focus
(Face The Facts! Class)

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Angels and the Preaching Work

by Focus in

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the following idiocy may be found at http://www.cinternet.net/~rsmith/pages/illlink4.htm.

angels and the preaching work.

angels are busy today as before (acts 8: 26; rev.

Focus

The following idiocy may be found at http://www.cinternet.net/~rsmith/pages/illlink4.htm

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Angels and the Preaching Work
Angels are busy today as before (Acts 8: 26; Rev. 14: 6; Matt. 13. 39). We don't always know what is going on behind the scenes, but the angels know. Think back to a day when you went out in field service and were discouraged. Maybe the person at the first house was not interested, and the second house was a not-at-home, etc. But after you went home feeling discouraged, suppose you could look in on what was happening behind the scenes....
Angel noted the apathetic responce of the lady at the 1st house and commented on her heart condition. The second house you marked not-at-home, but the angel noted that the householder saw you and recognized that you were one of Jehovah's Witnesses, so she didn't come to the door. Then the next house was not-at-home because both the husband and the wife were at work. You left a tract in the door. Later, the angel noted on his house-to-house chart that the man came home from work and picked up the tract. He made a comment to his wife about Jehovah's Witnesses having been at their door while they were at work. The angel notes the responce to the tract and to your call.
So, even after you are home, the effects of your work are still going on. You may be busy with household or family activities, but the angels are still hard at work noting the responces in your territory from your work.
Now, the angel makes a further note on the 2nd house. While you were at the third house, the householder at the second house called her friend, the householder at the 4th house, and told her not to answer her door. The angel appropriately noted the present heart condition of both householders.
Meanwhile, across the street, a lady working in her flower garden notices you passing by. She comments on how well-behaved your children are. And you didn't notice, but down the street a garbage truck driver began talking to his companion about Jehovah's Witnesses. It seems that the co-worker has Witnesses living next door and he tells the driver of what fine neighbors they are. The angel notes this.
So, now, as you have a glimpse into what might be happening as the angels carry out their part in connection with the preaching work, does it not bring joy to you to know that you're working with such zealous angelic co-workers? And while it can get discouraging, remember that, while the greatest joy is in harvesting fine fruit, the groundwork requires many long hours of hard plowing.
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So, in much the same way that the fact that the WTS has made all sorts of false prophesies proves it is NOT a false prophet and is in fact the one true faith, the fact that no one wants to listen to JW "wisdumb" indicates that the preaching work is successful and subject to a great deal of zealous interest. Oh it is invisible interest, of course... Fine WTS logic! What a shame that the angels can't be counted as back calls, though.

PS: I take it the reference to the garbage truck is the paddywagon in which the JWs arrived.

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Focus
(Logic Class)

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NEW RELIGION! NEED INPUT!

by TR in

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this is sort of a take-off of the "what should the wt do" thread.. i need to get together a board of directors and elect a president and officers.

we need to figure out a doctrine, a manifesto, and a set of disciplinary rules.

we need to figure out a way to fund our new movement.

Focus

What could I do?

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Focus
(Really Useful Class)

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NEW RELIGION! NEED INPUT!

by TR in

jw
friends

this is sort of a take-off of the "what should the wt do" thread.. i need to get together a board of directors and elect a president and officers.

we need to figure out a doctrine, a manifesto, and a set of disciplinary rules.

we need to figure out a way to fund our new movement.

Focus

What could I do?

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Focus
(Really Useful Class)

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BLOOD, Dr Muramoto, Furuli & Prominent Beth...

by Focus in

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"can the ethiopian change his skin color?

"it has never been proven that a single disease is due to germs.

"the watchtower society .. i view it the same way that my students view me, as a teacher" - http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/322/7277/37#el74.

Focus

Fredhall scribbled on his nappy:

Boy Focus, It seems that Furuli is kicking Dr. Muramoto rear-end.

Do check out http://bmj.com/cgi/eletters/322/7277/37 - you have the respective rear-ends confused.

The information in this thread is the sort of material that Prisca in http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=3441&site=3 is critical of appearing in this forum. It would not do for me to quote the Watchtower now:
"Again we ask, What is the motive of these critics? Are they encouraging wakefulness on the part of God's people, or are they, rather, trying to justify themselves for falling back into sleepy inactivity? (1 Thessalonians 5:4-9)" - 1986WTWR 03 15 16-20, 'Allow No Place for the Devil!'
would it?

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Focus
(Even Satan tells the truth sometimes? Class)

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PEDOPHILES are to WTS as flies are to honey?

by Focus in

w73 11/15 703-4 questions from readers ***.

do paul's words at 1 corinthians 6:1-7 mean that under no circumstances should a christian take to court a case involving a fellow believer?

-u.s.a. here paul was showing the corinthian christians the inconsistency of taking disputes between christians before secular tribunals.

Focus

In line with my commitment given in http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=3537 , I take this opportunity to bring this thread back on to the top of the board, if only for a short while.

This thread represents the sort of barbeque that Prisca would prefer did not occur in jehovahs-witness.com - a BARBEQUE that comprises WATCHTOWER-APOLOGISTS being GRILLED and refuted!

Well, it is in your face again, Sis!

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Focus
(Antitype of the 'Are Picnics Theocratic?' Class)