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  Question for our scholars...

  by tenyearsafter in

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  i was asked an interesting question by a jw relative and was not exactly sure how to answer it...thought i would throw it out to the scholars on the board:.

  what was the expectation of an afterlife for faithful ones living before jesus was sacrificed?...did they believe they would have an afterlife on earth or in heaven?.

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  Leolaila...excellent explanation of the thought process Adam and Eve might have had during the early times in their lives. It certainly seems during a reading of Genesis there is very little regarding the thought-process or maturity of either Adam or Eve, leaving one to wonder why it is so brief in explaining the events leading from their creation to their disobedience. It begs the question of whether their understanding of death was based on what they might have seen in the life cycles of animals or if they had a realization of a specific life span for themselves.

  I think the point my relative was trying to make was that God created man to live forever on earth, and thus there would have been no concept of an afterlfe at the beginning.
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  How long were you a member of Jehovahs Witnesses?

  by Quirky1 in

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  me, about 7 years...

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  Born in

  Baptized at 17

  DF'ed at 44 (44 seems to be a popular age based on the posts!)

  Now 57
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  Question for our scholars...

  by tenyearsafter in

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  i was asked an interesting question by a jw relative and was not exactly sure how to answer it...thought i would throw it out to the scholars on the board:.

  what was the expectation of an afterlife for faithful ones living before jesus was sacrificed?...did they believe they would have an afterlife on earth or in heaven?.

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  Leolaia, Narkissos and JWFacts...thank you very much!! I hadn't even thought of the relationship of the state of the dead in the En-Dor story.

  How would you answer the question as it pertained to Adam and Eve prior to their disobedience? Did they have a concept of death (and an afterlife) or were they "programmed" to live forever on earth? Since God told them they would die "that day" if they ate of the fruit, did they have an expectation of dying at some point even if they remained faithful? I realize that this is dependent on taking the Bible at literal face value, but that is what makes sense to JW's (most of the time!).

  I apologize for so many questions, but this one piqued my curiosity!
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  Question for our scholars...

  by tenyearsafter in

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  i was asked an interesting question by a jw relative and was not exactly sure how to answer it...thought i would throw it out to the scholars on the board:.

  what was the expectation of an afterlife for faithful ones living before jesus was sacrificed?...did they believe they would have an afterlife on earth or in heaven?.

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  Thanks everyone! I have to admit I felt a bit stupid when I heard the question, because my first reaction was to say "on earth"...but then I realized that was based soley on my JW education and not on anything I read in the Bible. I thought of Enoch and Elijah being "taken" away, but that didn't mesh with the rest of the OT accounts of death.

  Slimboy, I am with you...I thought there was a resurrection hope as well in the OT, but was that back to the earth or heaven?

  Unclebruce, I am with you on what the WT teaches, ie: earth, BethSarim, etc...but I am sure my JW relative was trying to show they are right about this and everyone else is wrong and I couldn't think of the way to refute him. I hate it when that happens!!

  Morgana and Narkissos...those are good points and make sense. Thanks!
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  Question for our scholars...

  by tenyearsafter in

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  i was asked an interesting question by a jw relative and was not exactly sure how to answer it...thought i would throw it out to the scholars on the board:.

  what was the expectation of an afterlife for faithful ones living before jesus was sacrificed?...did they believe they would have an afterlife on earth or in heaven?.

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  I was asked an interesting question by a JW relative and was not exactly sure how to answer it...thought I would throw it out to the scholars on the board:

  What was the expectation of an afterlife for faithful ones living before Jesus was sacrificed?...did they believe they would have an afterlife on earth or in heaven?
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  High speed internet...need advice you guys

  by WuzLovesDubs in

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  im moving into my own place come april 1 (yay!!!!

  ) and in this house we pay over $100 a month between comcast tv cable and high speed internet.

  what do you guys use?

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  Hi Wuz...my experience has been that most of the services end up being the same price after their "sign up" specials end. You might want to check and see if Verizon Fios is available in your area. It offers a nice combo of phone, TV and high speed interenet for around $100...I have found it to be very fast and reliable. Good hunting!
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  Who here has just let the JW stuff go?. I NEED HELP GUYS!!!!!!!.................

  by oompa in

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  ....i am so frikkin obsessed about the jw lies and my newfound truths about them, and it is prob driving me crazy or causing depression.....if i wake up in the middle of the night, i never get back to sleep as my mind starts racing about jw crap and how it affects my marriage, and then how can i make this marriage work with her such a hardcore dub....i told my wife i now realize i am an abusive husband.....i must stop talking to her about the real truth!!

  !..........it is killing her inside and we have had soooo many bad discussions that turn into arguments......on top of that she says she is now closer to jah and the org than at any other time in her life, that now that she has no positive direction from me, she relies totally on jehovah and prays to him more than ever..... we talked about separation, and that i was going to lose her over our religious differences........i feel so sorry for what i have put her through, and i know that if i can not really shut up with my ohsohelpful comments of truths about this truth she will leave me due to "spiritual endangerment".......and she said she is damm close to that happening.....i told her i knew it to and would so hate to lose her due to our religious differences.

  at my recent shepherding call, they said to try and stop focusing on the negatives i have found in jw, and focus on the good things...and that is not a bad idea even if i never go back to meetings....there are good things about dubs....the efforts at ending racism and at least for me, some really good lifelong friends.......even their hope for the future was pretty good to me, even though it is a bunch of crap and i no longer believe the bible is gods word or inspired.....it does have some good suggestions for a happy life and ideas as to how to treat others........but so do just about every holy book of other faiths........ i had plans to start going to some meetings with my wife, but today, after a sleepless night i told her i just dont think i can do it, and just as she strongly believes it is the truth, i do not, and that i think the guys on the gb are not led by holy spirit cause if she will read the proclaimers book, she will see we have never gotten a single bible inerpretation of prophecy correct.......so she says "so what is there?

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  Hi Oompa...I empathize with you. Trying to argue with a sold in JW is next to impossible. When that JW is your spouse, it makes it even harder. One thing I have learned about people in general is that attacking their belief systems makes them defensive and unyielding. Have you tried to just take the approach of asking your wife to show you where in the Bible it states things she is saying is truth? For example, ask her in a kind way to share where in the Bible it states that Adam was perfect and would never die. Most JW's I know believe that the Bible is God's word, so try and use that as your way to make a point. Tell her that you want her to use the Bible, not WTS literature to help you understand. The Bible may make your points much more effectively than you can...how can she argue God's truths?!
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  WTF? Anyone else get this?

  by AWAKE&WATCHING in

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  got this in a pm about three days ago so sorry if it's been discussed.

  from: scott williams., .

  country: ivory coast .

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  Ooops...sorry for the blank!

  This is a typical scam that has been going around for years. Most of them originate in Nigeria and are mass e-mailed hoping one sucker takes the bait. This is the first time I have seen it posted on a discussion board, but it makes sense for these scammers to spread their net for new victims.
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  WTF? Anyone else get this?

  by AWAKE&WATCHING in

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  got this in a pm about three days ago so sorry if it's been discussed.

  from: scott williams., .

  country: ivory coast .

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  The Three Stages of Meeting Attendance Freedom

  by Nosferatu in

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  during my exit from the jws, i went through three stages of being free from the meetings.

  stage 1: going to the meetings, but disliking it.. stage 2: stopped going to the meetings, but remembered every day that i was supposed to be going to the meeting.. stage 3: "oh yeah!

  thursday's a meeting night!

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  I'm with Homerovah...stage 5...I don't even think of meetings (or as my non-JW wife refers to them as, "tax seminars"!!)