Posts by tenyearsafter

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Great Video: Why you should never talk to the police, even when you are innocent and did nothing wrong..

by Elsewhere in

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even if you are innocent and did nothing wrong... do not talk to the police!.

great video!.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7nc5sgik.

tenyearsafter

I think that this video is belaboring the obvious. Everyone has the right to not answer questions asked by the police. If you are under arrest and given your Miranda rights, all you have to say is you don't want to answer questions and that is the end of the story. The single biggest landmine people under suspicion run into is that of voluntary or spontaneous statements. Those can and will be used against you if incriminating...you'd be amazed how many people feel the need to bare their soul.

I think this lawyer might be taking it a bit to the extreme...what if the questions are for the purpose of investigating a crime that you are the victim of...are you going to "dummy up" and not talk to the police investigating? I think that might not work to your best advantage. Unless you plan on taking the law into your own hands, there is no reason to not speak to police if you are a victim.

My advice...use common sense and stay out of compromising situations!

TYA

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C.O.'s: Why Are Elders Such Cowards?

by metatron in

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the stories never stop.

abusive, egotistical, demanding, ungrateful and arrogant circuit overseers all over the place and "men" -the elders - take it.. i have seen a number of these itinerant predators offend entire congregations with their behavior and i can count the incidents where elders actually showed some b@lls and stood up to them on one hand.

why are elders such cowards?

tenyearsafter

But how do you really feel Metatron?

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Question regarding Holy Spirit...

by tenyearsafter in

i am still muddling my way through both sides of the trinity argument, but i would be very interested in hearing the explanation for the nontrinitarian view of the holy spirit and what it is in light of ephesians 4:29-32 where it speaks about "grieving the holy spirit".

if the holy spirit is just god's active force, as we were taught as jw's, how can we grieve it?

grieving would indicate a personality or feelings that could be "grieved".

tenyearsafter

Thanks Stephen...I appreciate your posts!

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Question regarding Holy Spirit...

by tenyearsafter in

i am still muddling my way through both sides of the trinity argument, but i would be very interested in hearing the explanation for the nontrinitarian view of the holy spirit and what it is in light of ephesians 4:29-32 where it speaks about "grieving the holy spirit".

if the holy spirit is just god's active force, as we were taught as jw's, how can we grieve it?

grieving would indicate a personality or feelings that could be "grieved".

tenyearsafter

Jeremiahjs - Are you saying that the Holy Spirit is a life force that powers all other beings including Jesus and Satan? I am having a bit of trouble understanding what you are saying. Were you ever a JW? Are you Trinitarian or non-Trinitarian? I look forward to your response...

TYA

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Question regarding Holy Spirit...

by tenyearsafter in

i am still muddling my way through both sides of the trinity argument, but i would be very interested in hearing the explanation for the nontrinitarian view of the holy spirit and what it is in light of ephesians 4:29-32 where it speaks about "grieving the holy spirit".

if the holy spirit is just god's active force, as we were taught as jw's, how can we grieve it?

grieving would indicate a personality or feelings that could be "grieved".

tenyearsafter

FS - Thanks for your insight. I agree that the WT way of accurate knowledge being required for salvation doesn't jive with the Bible...if accurate knowledge was required, how did the thief crucified next to Jesus qualify for being with Jesus in Paradise? Escaping WT circular reasoning is a difficult journey, but one worth taking. Wherever it ultimately leads is how we experience freedom!

JD - I appreciate what you are saying and can see your point and being a force and a person. I still struggle with why it has to be complex. Physics and math are complex, and only a certain few truly grasp the full workings of their theory. In the 1st century, very few of the people that heard the Good News were educated...most were illiterate. I would be surprised if they typically could grasp and accept even the simplest form of the Trinity's complex Godhead. Not arguing validity, but rather the logic behind the complexity versus simplicity argument. You will get no disagreement from me regarding the WT explanation...it always seemed to convenient for my taste.

TYA

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help me please

by recovering in

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my mom just called (she is an active jehovah's witness) she basically has very little to do with me.

however she want's to come and visit me and my wife on christmas day .

she lives in another state and wants spend the night.

tenyearsafter

Hi Recovering,

The fact you are DF'ed makes what you are saying even more troubling. If she is a staunch JW, she shouldn't even consider staying in the home of a DF'ed person. Since she doesn't seem to have a problem with breaking her integrity to get a free place to stay, then I think you need to stick to your guns and tell her she is welcome to stay with you but not welcome to make conditions for that stay. If the shoe were on the other foot, would she remove WT literature and stay home from meetings as a condition to your visiting and staying with her?

Just my two cents worth...

TYA

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Question regarding Holy Spirit...

by tenyearsafter in

i am still muddling my way through both sides of the trinity argument, but i would be very interested in hearing the explanation for the nontrinitarian view of the holy spirit and what it is in light of ephesians 4:29-32 where it speaks about "grieving the holy spirit".

if the holy spirit is just god's active force, as we were taught as jw's, how can we grieve it?

grieving would indicate a personality or feelings that could be "grieved".

tenyearsafter

Designs - Thanks for the suggestion...it sounds like that would be an interesting study topic.

JD - I guess I still have a problem grasping the difference between seperate "persons" and that they can be both an "it" and a "he", as in a force and a person. There are some things that our imperfect minds can't truly grasp. I think that is why I have a problem accepting the classic explanation of the Trinity. Don't get me wrong, I don't buy the JW explanation, but I struggle with the concept of immanent Trinity. Your website is very well written and researched, but I have to think that it would be very difficult for an under or uneducated person to understand and sort out. Why would God make an understanding of his character so complex?

Watkins - Thanks for your thoughts. I tend to think more along the lines of what you are saying. I think being from God and part of God is easier to understand than the more complex explanations of the Trinity taught by orthodox Christianity. I still have to believe that if God was trying to reach even the most simple and uneducated person, he would not make important salvation issues so complex and difficult to understand. I have to believe the nature and character of God is critical to having a relationship with him...afterall, how can you love and have a close relationship with someone you don't know? As soon as it takes "someone" to have to interpret things for God, I think it is a red flag signaling a deviation from simple truth.

Great comments everyone!

TYA

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Introducing myself

by Aeiouy in

and a third continuation........meh.

however, breaking up with her had a very good affect on me.

an unexpected one.

tenyearsafter

Aeiouy,

Welcome to the board! I understand how you feel as I experienced a similar situation with my mom. She is still a JW. I was DF'ed about 15 years ago and explaining to her that I wasn't coming back was extremely difficult. She has continued to accept me and does not shun me. I am still her son and she is not willing to break that bond. It sounds like your mom feels the same way about her kids, so I would just tell her how you feel. You don't have to tell her that you will never return, but it sounds like she wouldn't shun you if you tell her about your doubts and do the "fade". Don't be surprised if she involves the elders...if she does, you will be pressed to explain your doubts so they can see if you qualify as apostate. If they find you apostate, you will get DF'ed unless you fall on your sword, tell them you will change and beg forgiveness. I wish you the best...this transition is always difficult and emotional.

TYA

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help me please

by recovering in

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friends

my mom just called (she is an active jehovah's witness) she basically has very little to do with me.

however she want's to come and visit me and my wife on christmas day .

she lives in another state and wants spend the night.

tenyearsafter

Just as you had/have to abide by her rules in her home, she needs to respect your home and rules. I didn't pick up if you are DF'ed or DA'ed? If so, why would she visit you if she is a "good" JW? It sounds to me like she is being very manipulative so as to block your normal routine in having any type of Xmas celebration. Tell her she is welcome to come, but you aren't changing the family's plans to accommodate that visit.

Good luck...

TYA

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Question regarding Holy Spirit...

by tenyearsafter in

i am still muddling my way through both sides of the trinity argument, but i would be very interested in hearing the explanation for the nontrinitarian view of the holy spirit and what it is in light of ephesians 4:29-32 where it speaks about "grieving the holy spirit".

if the holy spirit is just god's active force, as we were taught as jw's, how can we grieve it?

grieving would indicate a personality or feelings that could be "grieved".

tenyearsafter

Cameo,

Thanks for the comment...interesting. I wasn't really thinking along the more ethereal route you mention, but I think what you say has alot of truth in it. I am finding it quite enlightening how many different viewpoints on this subject are being expressed. I guess I am a bit of a linear thinker and tend to see subjects as either one way or the other. Thanks for your different look at the subject...

TYA