have been a member of jwr since 2008 and have not been to hall since june 2009, have celebrated 2 yrs without memorial - woohoo - that being said i have stopped by here frequently and decided yesterday to join your group.. it has been very enjoyable to read your stories as well as the other group i have been with, and so it just seemed reasonable to belong to both.. my story is no differant than all the others, the only thing is i was not born in.
that being said i also have no real issues with being an apostate (although i do believe it is used in the perjorative sense by the wt).. peace - brad.
Hi Brad...welcome!
Just a thought...if you are trying to fade w/o problem, you might want to consider a different screen name if the current one is actually your name. There is no question we have JW lurkers here and you could get outed. Fortunately, your name is a bit more common, so you might have some safety there. Just saying...
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/09/my-take-this-evangelical-says-mormonism-isnt-a-cult/?hpt=hp_t2.
editors note:richard j. mouw is president of fuller theological seminary, an evangelical school in pasadena, california.. by richard j. mouw, special to cnn.
some prominent evangelical pastors have been telling their constituents not to support mitt romneys bid for the presidential nomination.
I think this issue is "muddying the waters" regarding the presidential race. Orthodox Christians view any religion that does not embrace the orthodoxy of Christianity (Trinity, Diety Of Christ, Soul, Hell) to be a cult. Their definition of cult is not so much an isolationist group under the influence of a single leader or leadership that is high control, but rather that it is not "Christian" under the definition of orthodoxy. Using that definition, Robert Jeffress, was correct regarding Mormonism in his "definition" of a cult (this would also apply to JW's, Christadelphians, etc.).
Ralph Reed (former head of the Christian Coalition), who has never been know as a liberal Christian, stated it rather clearly when addressing the issue..."we aren't electing a Senior Pastor or Pope, we are electing the President, a political leader", thus his Mormonism shouldn't be a consideration of his qualifications, but rather his political agenda should drive that decision among voters.
I have no doubt, that if given the choice between Obama and Romney during the election, the majority of Evangelicals would vote for Romney despite their disagreement with his religious affiliation.
http://kristenfrihet.se/vtsvar/vtsvar1.pdf.
(thanks to augustin for bringing this to our attention in another thread.
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Very well researched and written!...unfortunately, it will just be a matter of time before some JW apologist will try to deconstruct and debunk this by making ad hominem attacks on Mr. Jonsson as a "mentally diseased apostate".
Mine is two-fold...the first meaning refers to one of my favorite bands from the 60's...the other meaning refers to how long I had been gone from the JW's when I joined the forum.
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one thing i miss about not buying vinyl now is the artwork on the album cover.
post some of your favorite album covers.
secretsexposed ofprivate bethel meeting, gideon school to be phased out, governing body sweating big dollar$ pedophilia case in virginia, atf watching, etc first, if theres enough donated then the watchtower society and their lawyers stay in lawrence hughes lawsuit over the blood issue but if not he drops watchtower and their lawyers yet keeps the doctors in thus cutting court costs, plus the doctors will either (1.
) third party the watchtower lawyers, that is go after them or (2.
) otherwise the watchtower lawyers and doctors will still have to be cross-examined in court and any evidence gained can be used to press criminal charges and have their licenses to practice law revoked.
It lost me wjith the donation appeal and the information from "Johnny the Bethelite"....
"we can't smoke pot with him... he's disfellowshipped!".
please keep 'em coming!
i wanna see more.
MMmmm...Kool Aid
the watch tower society, the christian congregation of jehovah's witnesses, the faithful and discreet slave, and the governing body of jehovah's witnesses, last week issued a "special" letter to all bodies of elders in the state of victoria instructing them to immediately apply for their working with children licenses and to comply with child protection laws.
the letter includes instructions that the contents are not to be made public or shared with members of the congregation.. .
this means an investigation authorized by the governing body of jehovah's witnesses and initiated by lawyers representing the watch tower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, inc. have concluded that the victorian working with children act 2005 and the associated child protection laws do indeed apply to all elders serving in congregations throughout the state of victoria both in the public ministry and in their internal ministry, which includes the theocratic ministry school.. .
In addition to the fine being $144,000, I found that the number of charges for each "individual" charged was interesting...the symbolic heavenly perfection number of 7!
hi everyone.
as a parting gift to you all before i take a much needed break from this forum, i thought you would be pleased to know that the independent, a leading uk newspaper, will be publishing a piece on the "mentally diseased" watchtower article in tomorrow's edition.. i would like to thank everybody who has assisted the journalist, jerome taylor, in his investigation.. best wishes to all of you,.
cedars.
Looks like it has made it down to Australia:
my answer is yes.
what about you?.
Using an anesthesia drug (Propofol) as a sleep aid is at least negligent and likely malpractice. To use it without life support equipment available makes it a recipe for disaster. One of the most common side effects of Propofol is hypoventilation (life threatening lack of oxygen), which if not treated can result in death. Propofol is administered as an IV drip, so it is unlikely a patient can easily self administer. Doesn't look good for Dr. Murray...
I just had surgery where Propofol was used, and I can attest from personal experience that it is extraordinarily fast acting. I am in the medical business and understand what happens in the operating room. I watched the anesthesiologist inject the Propofol into the IV bag and saw the first few drops of the milky white solution drug start to drip...then it was "lights out"! It is a fantastic tool for surgery, but lethal in unskilled hands.
