Posts by tenyearsafter

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THE WITCHTOWER - March 2009: The Ten Plagues Today, Salt in God's Purpose

by processor in

the third issue of the witchtower is now complete:.

the ten plagues today: how does jehovah use his witnesses to bring ten antitypical plagues upon mankind?.

meeting - in ancient times and today: should you attend the jw meetings?.

How Would You Handle A Teen Who's A Pothead & Drunk In Your Home?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i know of a 15 year old boy who is always into trouble.

he's the product of divorce, is adhd and has been in trouble with the law.. he is very rebellious and has no job yet always has his booze and pot.

his mother cannot control him at all.. how would you deal with such a situation?.

Seriously Min, there are programs out there that incorporate the discipline of boot camp and counseling sessions for specific issues such as substance abuse. As a cop, I have seen numerous kids go out of control...many outgrow it, but some are just wired wrong. There is no one good answer, but I have seen some good results from the boot camp/counseling model. If he is a runner, he needs to be in a lockdown facility or he will be in the wind. Rehab might help, but truly rebellious kids will usually "escape" after a day or two in an unsecured treatment center.

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WANTED ! JW Apologist

by wobble in

this must have been mentioned before,but now reniaa is back it could be fun.. if jw's are even part way to the truth,and all other religions are false, then they must have a doctrine that is unique to them,given by holy spirit, but plainly taught in the bible,without resorting to fancifull exegesis and bouncing around from verse to verse out of context etc.. what is that doctrine?.

love.

wobble.. .

tenyearsafter

ugh Oompa...that line of reasoning drives me crazy. I have heard that from my own mother and it just isn't true. There were numerous 2nd Adventist birthed religions that taught the same things. The 7th Day Adventists and Christadelphians had the same beliefs about the major doctrines. It wasn't until later years that SDA's accepted the Trinity. They still don't believe in Hellfire or Immortal Soul, and do believe that Jesus was Michael the Archangel. Even Mormons don't teach Trinity and Hellfire.

Why is it ok to ignore "minor" falsehoods or errors when it comes to choosing the earthly channel of God on earth, but it is acceptable (and mandatory) to discipline the members of that very group for a myriad of "minor" infractions as defined by that chosen group?? Me thinks something doesn't add up....

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How Would You Handle A Teen Who's A Pothead & Drunk In Your Home?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i know of a 15 year old boy who is always into trouble.

he's the product of divorce, is adhd and has been in trouble with the law.. he is very rebellious and has no job yet always has his booze and pot.

his mother cannot control him at all.. how would you deal with such a situation?.

tenyearsafter

boot camp for teens works wonders with behavior challenged kids...

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45 JW Rules/Teachings that "go beyond" writings of the Bible

by oompa in

(1 corinthians 4:6) .

.that in our case you may learn the [rule]: do not go beyond the things that are written,.

.. 45 jw rules/teaching that "go beyond the things that are written" in the bible.

tenyearsafter

Hi Oompa...I just read your other thread...sheesh, could the reasoning be anymore flawed?? I guarantee you that if there was a problem at WT headquarters, there would be no hesitation on the part of the staff to call the police...and if deadly force was required to handle the situation, oh well. Gotta love that rational form of reasoning!

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45 JW Rules/Teachings that "go beyond" writings of the Bible

by oompa in

(1 corinthians 4:6) .

.that in our case you may learn the [rule]: do not go beyond the things that are written,.

.. 45 jw rules/teaching that "go beyond the things that are written" in the bible.

tenyearsafter

How about not being "beyond reproach" if you work as a police officer?

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Did You Hate Going In Service???

by minimus in

jw
friends

i really thought it was a stupid waste of time!

especially weekend mornings and holidays..

tenyearsafter

I dreaded every moment...I never felt I accomplished anything and always felt that I was disturbing people. At the end, I never used literature...I just shared a scriptural thought and that felt a bit better, but I never felt "good".

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WANTED ! JW Apologist

by wobble in

this must have been mentioned before,but now reniaa is back it could be fun.. if jw's are even part way to the truth,and all other religions are false, then they must have a doctrine that is unique to them,given by holy spirit, but plainly taught in the bible,without resorting to fancifull exegesis and bouncing around from verse to verse out of context etc.. what is that doctrine?.

love.

wobble.. .

tenyearsafter

Thanks Earnest...your honest answers are respected and appreciated.

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WANTED ! JW Apologist

by wobble in

this must have been mentioned before,but now reniaa is back it could be fun.. if jw's are even part way to the truth,and all other religions are false, then they must have a doctrine that is unique to them,given by holy spirit, but plainly taught in the bible,without resorting to fancifull exegesis and bouncing around from verse to verse out of context etc.. what is that doctrine?.

love.

wobble.. .

tenyearsafter

Earnest...I agree with you. The early church was unclear except for the Gospel message which centered on that Jesus came to earth, was sacrificed and was raised. The sacrifice was taught as being a gift of grace (or undeserved kindness) and could not be earned by anything someone could do by their own works. Those are the basic salvation issues. I am over simplifying, but I am just trying to draw a contrast to some of the issues that have been raised here. Being overly legalistic and pharasaic is definitely not what the early church was about. The issue that I have (and I believe the others on this thread have) is that the WTBTS is absolute in their demands of complete acceptance of their teachings. You cannot be a JW if you don't publicly accept these things. I am sure there are numerous JW's that privately may not agree, but if they were to make those feelings known to other JW's, they would be disciplined. No one claims that everything JW's teach is wrong...but accepting the points you agree with is not good enough...it is all or nothing.

Regarding the "new light" process you mention in your answer to leavingwt, how many thousands of JW's were DF'ed over current issues that later were changed? Destroying people's lives and then shrugging it off as we are changing because new light has been revealed is NOT a sign of truth and direction by Holy Spirit. As far as I am know, none of those people DF'ed because of "old" thinking were automatically reinstated once the new light was revealed. It isn't about the issues, it's about absolute loyalty to the Society. Just based on that alone, how can anyone support that as being the true religion?

Earnest, you sound like an intelligent thinking person...what would the JW's have to do for you to reject them? I am not talking about the individual doctrinal issues you might agree with, but rather to either accept or reject as an organization. Reniaa continues to deflect that question by saying she agrees with most of what JW's teach...and she is willing to overlook what she doesn't agree with. Is that your position?

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WANTED ! JW Apologist

by wobble in

this must have been mentioned before,but now reniaa is back it could be fun.. if jw's are even part way to the truth,and all other religions are false, then they must have a doctrine that is unique to them,given by holy spirit, but plainly taught in the bible,without resorting to fancifull exegesis and bouncing around from verse to verse out of context etc.. what is that doctrine?.

love.

wobble.. .

tenyearsafter

Has Earnest left the thread as well?