Posts by forgetmenot

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A Salute to the Kids of Dubdom

by Room 215 in

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as the unfortunate school-age children of jws worldwide, or at least in christendom, face up to two of what must certainly be the most dreaded days of the school year -- today and monday, i don't think it would be remiss to do pay them tribute -- the honor of a brief recognition of some sort, say by the raising of a glass, a prayer, a couple moments' reflection, whatever.. i refer to all those of the trembling knees, quivering lips, moistened eyes and hollow feelings in the pits of their little tummies as they loyally face up to the humiliation of standing aside from the masses of christmas celebrants among their school friends.

how they must agonize over dealing with the incessant questions of their mates about ``what are you going to do this christmas," ``what did santa bring you?

'' -- not to mention listening to the spirited banter of their school friends recounting how much fun they had and what they found under tree christmas morning, etc.

forgetmenot

What an amazing thread! I experienced alot of horrible things as a JW kid. I remember not being able to sing certian songs, watch a movie that I had so looked forward to, receive gifts, or go to parties. And not like most JW kids, I didn't sit in the hall or go home. I had to sit there and watch everyone eat their birthday cake, give valentines cards, and give each other gifts. I remember being put in the front row in the center (I was a short kid) of the choir on concert night and having to just stand there. Oh and, even though I knew why we didn't celebrate everything, I never got the chance to explain. I had two other JW kids in my class and they alway beat me to the punch line "we don't celebrate (insert holiday or special occasion" and that was enough for most of the kids in my class. There was no.."well why?"..they were to busy having fun. (The cool (sarcastic cool) part was sitting at meeting and hearing the other kids tell how wonderful they felt when they were able to tell the kids at school why and blah blah...and how proud their parents where. When my family was viewed as slackers and non-improving ones and I was the one who actually tried to make a stand!)

Actually I was talking to my Grandma awhile back about Christmas (she's a JW) and she launched into the JW's big explaination of how Christmas began with warriors drinking the blood of the inncent or some such nonsense. I wanted to yell "Look around! Do you think that has anything to do with the celebration today? Are you stupid?".

Christams has such a better meaning and I hate the JW's double standards. If anything at all, can't they at least be consistent with their pagan crap. I wonder if the pagans ever went door to door(for anyreason)...or congregated in groups to discuss their pagan worship...now if we could find that do you think that they would say that has anything to do with what they are doing today. They do it for Christmas, why not with everything else. (I know the answer, just sit there...out in the middle of nowhere...and wait for God to come (1914..the other comings...) ...maybe next year? -- wouldn't that be grand?)

I put up with alot of crap from JW's and their kids. In fact I still put up with it. Your simpathies are held close to my heart and valued.

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What will happen to the children?

by YoYoMama in

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check out this news story: http://web.star-telegram.com/content/fortworth/2001/12/21/foreign/fw030707-1221-xa036-terror.htm.

many question jehovah on what will happen with the children during armageddon.

i don't know that answer entirely so i'll wait and see what happens.

forgetmenot

I have a whole different prespective on how God works. I feel that it is very cruel to sit around and tell children who will be mutilated, molested, and killed that it is all "part of God's plan." God works through people, though. Maybe the children seeing mercy will come when people, like ourselves, take an active stand against things (such as the people who do these things to children) that hurt and don't show love. Don't wait for God to work you, instead work with him. We are only imperfect human beings and I know that we can't solve all the problems of the world, but until we meet God face to face and he tells us how to do it, we can do a little help here on earth.

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To all Meek and Lost Ones:

by JWME in

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to all meek and lost ones:.

i have been kicked out by simon: my last post:.

thanks to all who have e-mailed me with their thoughtful questions and concerns.

forgetmenot

What an amazing thought on Jesus and Vampires. Now do you believe this, messenger, or are you just trowing it out as an idea some one else has? I think that the difference is that Jesus brought love into the world and that Vampires did it only for the reward they would recieve (everlasting life). Actually, Jesus warned against just doing something for the reward of it. Back in the Old Testment, Men were supposed to obey all the rules and traditions. But Jesus came to change that. So in reality Jesus is actually fighting the physical reward (everlasting life wanted by most Vampire wanna bee's) and replaced it with a mental reward (love).

PS-Person who started this--I think it's going to take more then calling someone demons possesed and telling them to come back. You aren't Jesus, you can't call out demons lickity-split ya know!

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My first Christmas ornament

by Mulan in

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last night we went to downtown seattle, to ride the annual holiday carousel.

(the rain stopped for that whole day, thankfully) almost my entire family came, except for our youngest son and his wife, who work evenings.

so there were 3 of our adult kids and their mates, seven grandkids, the father of one of our step granddaughters, who came from sweden for christmas, and princess' sister in law and husband who came from boston for the holidays........we jammed the elevators!!

forgetmenot

This is my (immediate) family's first real Christmas. We're going to give presents and everything. However we didn't deck the house with lights, even though nobody from the Hall would come and see us anyway. We have two trees. My sister's is about three feet tall and mine is only about a foot tall. But I love both of them! Last summer I found tiny antique ornaments for my little tree. My tree will also be the centerpiece for a table decoration at a "Christmas" dinner. A close family to mine gave us three Christmas movies. As I put one of them back in their boxes I was thinking about how a couple of years ago I would be aghast at what I had just watched. I thought about how much trouble we would be in if anyone knew (mind raced to where would be hide them if any one came over!). But then I realized that it had been ages the last time someone from the Hall had come to visit to "encourage". It just drives me nuts. The last time someone came to visit, it was this elderly couple out in service. They stopped by to see how we were and all. In fact, it's been so long ago, that one of them has already passed away (like a year ago).

What drives me even more nuts is the attitude of the rest of my family who are still JW's. My aunt and her husband are "slackers” but they still believe the organization is the way, the truth, and the light. She had made a comment to my grandfather (a prominent elder in the congregation) that no one even calls to see why they don't go to meetings anymore. In fact, the only one who called from the congregation was a lady that wanted to know if they wanted an Entertainment Book. My grandfather said that he didn't think much of that lady anyway. I thought, "if the only lady who called them is not thought highly of, then what of the countless others who didn't even call?" At least the lady called them! But I just get so worked up about how much love JWs show and how much they think they show.

I’m so glad that I no longer have to deal with the JW’s emotional constipation! Oh, and have a wonderful Christmas and New Year!

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To all Meek and Lost Ones:

by JWME in

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to all meek and lost ones:.

i have been kicked out by simon: my last post:.

thanks to all who have e-mailed me with their thoughtful questions and concerns.

forgetmenot

Who is this guy? Please explain the need to reajust your audiences thinking.

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I am sooo ashamed!

by moman in

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i am so ashamed to admit that i waz called a jehovahs witnesses, that sometimes i want to move & change my name!.

how many of you feel the same, or do you share the camp of those who say, "everything happens for a purpose"?

even though i have been out for about 3 yrs., i still can't believe i waz that stupid!

forgetmenot

I wasn't ashamed, a little disappointed though. I left when I was young and having a big figure in you're life destroy itself and its image in front of you is sad. But it has given me good critical thinking skills that I probably wouldn't have had.

And anther thing. Alot of you say you (feel) felt stupid. Some of the smartest people get trapped into a cult. YOu don't have to be stupid to get in. You just don't have to think. Stupidity isn't a trap, not thinking is a trap. And it looks like alot of you have helped yourself out of this trap because you're here thinking about how you can benefit and move on with this new lesson in life. Being intelectual and intellegent are two totally different things.

Congrads all on being wonderfull, intellectual people!

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ex-JW Christians Suck!

by mikepence in

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there, i said it.. how can you leave one brainwashing controlling world view and dive right into another?!.

duh!!!.

see http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=17131&site=3 for a great example of why they suck.. aaaaaarrrrrrgggghhhh!.

forgetmenot

Don't get so excited. Not everyone falls right back into the hell hole (or a similar hell hole) they came from. But I have met some of them, and they can be frustrating sometimes. Don't be discouraged. Whatever you search for or do, do it because you want to not because you need to show everyon else something. PS I didn't get to look at your site because of an error message. Maybe someother time. Have a nice day!

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The Bible Is Whatever You Want It to Be.

by Englishman in

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i don't read the bible very much.

i don't call god 'jehovah', either.. you know why, of course, both the bible and 'jehovah' make me think of the wtbts.

that, folks, is a very unpleasant memory, so if satan is living in brooklyn, he's succeeded in pushing me away from the good book.

forgetmenot

I believe the bible is a book written to a certian group. However, it can be very much to our benefit. And the bible does hold alot of good ideas about living your life so that you can reap the best rewards off of it. Because I believe this, I find it very easy to accept believes (even those that don't really worship "God" particualarly). My reasoning is that maybe the group this book was written for this group because they needed a little extra push in the right direction (the right direction being one of love and kindness). Whereas those in the Orient didn't every hear of the bible, had a heading in a better direction or a more open manifestation of love. After all, would it make sense that he'd ignore half the human population, they were made in his image too ya know.

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Why the bible does'nt make sense to me

by Leander in

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for some odd reason this morning when i woke up the first thing that came into my mind was the suffering and pain that humans deal with on a daily basis.

again i'm not really sure what made me think about that so early in the morning.

(maybe it was a dream i had).

forgetmenot

Your quote: "For example lets look at the area of sex. In our society and in our imperfect state its a perfectly natural thing to want to have sex with those we are attracted to whether we are married to them or not." My comment: Who said sex was a sin and that it was a result of imperfect sin that we want it? No way. I think that God only meant sex when you didn't have it out of love.

Do you know the saying "you only miss a good thing until you don't have it"? Well maybe God is trying to get this across to us. And obviously it didn't work in the garden for God to just tell us that this is a good thing. Only after we have experienced life on earth, and all it's hellish aspects, can we really appreciate the openess we can have with God if we so choose to. And maybe only after we're dead and with God (I believe in a very diffrent after-life than most people but I do believe the almost everyone thinks that some profound openness with happen after you die) in a true open state when love can be felt in it's extreme raw state will we realize that God's love is worth so much.

And maybe God realized after Adam and Eve sinned that maybe instead of letting humans into a paradise first (then having them mess up and get kicked out and have to suffer), he should make them suffer first and then give them a paradise. Maybe then they won't take it for advantage. Hope this has SOMETHING to do with your post.

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HOW DO YOU MEND A BROKEN CHILD'S HEART?

by termite 35 in

please, anyone broken their children's heart over the wtbts?

i've been away from meetings for quite a wwhile now and have finally had to face the fact that i am responsible for my childrens 'lost' looks lately.

i've tried to sow a few little gentle doubts to ease them into the thought that were not going to meetings as 'the org may have got some things muddled up'.but its so strange to find yourself in this position; the worst is seeing their little faces as you struggle to find the right words that won't upset them.

forgetmenot

I'm only 17. We started to leave the organization of JW's when I was 15. It wasn't hard for me because a lot of the children in the congregation didn't really pay any attention to me. I was happy because I didn't have to put up with their crap anymore, and could hang out with the so called & "bad association" of the world. My sister, though, has always been the center of attention and she was angry when we left. She continued to go to meetings but then she too got tired of it all. She was tired of everyone asking why the rest of her family wasn't going. After she got used to it and saw how the people in the congregation hurt their members and didn't show love, she stopped going.
I think that children are most effected by emotion. They know what it feels like when someone has hurt them emotionally. If you somehow let them in on how the JW's are not kind to their mom/daddy they will recognize why it's not good for mommy/daddy to go. I think that this would be more effective then trying to teach them about philosophical differences.