i'm just wondering if when anyone else hears people (jw's) say "well we must be living in the last days because look how awful the world is, look how awful people are to each other, look at the earthquakes, etc, etc, etc" that is doesn't really seem to make sense?
i mean look at the old testament.
i don't think people could be any crappier to each other than the examples put forth there!
People began prophesying about the last days as soon as Jesus was crucified. And they've been at it ever since. And they're not going to be giving up anytime soon. It's human nature.
Let the JWs continue to make fools of themselves. It's what they're best at after all.
Francoise
once again fred lurks where he isn't allowed.
why are you here fred?
maybe you're a closet apostate?.
SlayerLayer:
I live in Savannah, Georgia. Come on down.
Francoise
hello again...now that i am officially a horrible, unrepentant sinner (in the eyes of a polyester slack wearing, mini van driving, anal retentive man whore), i have a question (actually several, but i will start with one!
) brace yourselves: it is about 1975!.
where in the wt was the "prophecy" made?
Welcome, Praying Mantis, and CONGRATULATIONS!! on getting yourself out of the Borg.
Many people who leave or are kicked out have issues to resolve like: anger, feeling lost, feeling alone and even disconnected from God, depression, and other symptoms.
It's also a dangerous period in your life since many in your position will seek out another controlling and dangerous cult and join up in order to fill up an "empty" feeling.
I hope that if you are having any of these or similar feelings that you will bring it up here. Lots and lots of people here have had those same feelings, and have successfully dealt with them - and now are very happy, well-adjusted and guilt-free members of society.
I'm not detecting any of the above from what you've written so far, but I just wanted you to know that support is available here if you need it. Don't be bashful. We've all been there in one form or another.
Francoise
"muhammed is my savior" is a very interesting thread, and i'd like to get my two cents in, but am starting a new thread since the first has gotten so long already.. first off, let me say that i can't bring myself to criticize the personal beliefs of any ex-witness; i remember only too well the sense of relief-from-imprisonment i felt after i walked away.
for a long time afterwards, i was, at best, agnostic and open to lots of religious and spiritual ideas that i would never have entertained before.
it was sort of a pendulum effect: i grew my hair down to my shoulders, took up cigarettes, and listening to hard rock.
You said, in your quite wonderful post, "I believe, and devoutly so, that Christ is the fullest revelation of God. But I also believe that other religions contain glimmers of the same truth Jesus taught about the nature of God and the purpose of life."
I've noticed that myself. In fact, in the Tao Te Ching, written 600 years before Christ, Lao Tzu expresses sentiments that are exactly, not close, but exactly, those of Christ in the sermon on the mount.
Jesus came to illuminate a better way. It wasn't necessarily that no one knew this Way prior to him; he was to make this Way more clear. It's obvious that Lao Tzu and others in the East knew about the Way, and had known it for centuries. Thus we run a real risk, sitting in judgement of the religions of others - even JWs.
Each one of us has the right (and obligation) to step to the drummer we hear. And while it's deplorable that the JWs take what small glimmering they have of spiritual reality and use it to condemn all who disagree with their quaint interpretations, it's probably better for us to regard them as would a Ph.D. in mathematics regard little children in the first grade just learning to count. Aren't they so cute? Just learning to count? And so proud of themselves!
Of course, this is hard to do when you witness the Witnesses causing so much pain with their partial knowledge, false prophesy, condemnation, and lies. I guess that first grade analogy only goes for far, huh?
Francoise
the things you look into without the wt cynical mind behind every thought.. [ http://www.geocities.com/area51/6683/cydonia-face.html].
qwerty .
justa surfin!
Coincidence of light, shadow, and propitious arrangement of rocks.
for the majority of humans, certain events are surrounded by tradition and ritual.
marriage, the birth of children, entrance into adulthood, and death are all life-events which will be marked by most with a form of religious ceremony.
for the few who have left off affiliation with a religious organization, these events are marked differently - more by tradition than by mystic ritual.
"You know" calls God's judgements and actions "unvieled," and then goes on to label those who disagree with him as ignorant.
Let's go through this one more time, like in the third grade: "I" before "E"... Perhaps he should pay attention to that lumber yard in his own eye before calling attention to the mote in the eye of his intellectual betters.
Personally, I vote to apply the George Bernard Shaw treatment to Mr. Know, as some have done with Mr. Hall: the ultimate expression of scorn is silence. As far as I am concerned from this point forward, Mr. Know does not exist.
Francoise
has anyone on this board ever experienced contact with demons?.
i have heard demons talked about for years, however i have never known anyone that has had any real experiences with them, i have only heard storys.. .
(some quotes).
When you get right down to it, what is the real difference between a dream and waking life? If you never awoke from a dream, how would you know? How do you know you're not dreaming right now?
As they say in the East, "This is the world of illusion."
Francoise
love and tolerance for other's religious beliefs:.
" (the watchtower, 7/1 1967, pp.
" (the watchtower, 12/1 1961, pp.
The Borg doesn't see its own hypocrisy. Nor does it recognize or appreciate or admit its own false prophesying.
Do you all remember the times when the society brought back the concept of "blood guilt" for JWs? If your car had bad brakes and you knew it and failed to have them repaired, and then while driving your JW friends out in field service, for instance, you got in a wreck and someone in your car was killed, you were "blood guilty." And of course there are many other examples of the re-application of mosaic law by the Borg.
This was because that even though the old mosiac laws no longer apply, the "principle" still applies...according to the Borg.
Now consider the entire book of Galatians. The burden and thrust of the entire letter is a warning to those living in Galatia to be on the watch for any who would attempt to reimpose the old law. And the warning was made in the strongest terms.
There was no exception for the reimposition of the mosaic law via a claim that "principle" still applied. There was no exception at all.
So what we have here is the "only channel of communication that God is using today" violating the word of that changeless God in its naked attempt to reimpose the old mosaic law via specious claims of the application of "principle." It occurs to me that it's illogical to reimpose only a part of the mosaic law on "principle." If reimposing blood guilt is allowable and desireable, then the entire law must be reimposed. Can't pick and choose among the laws, after all.
I wonder when we're going to get back to stoning false prophets?
since drifting from the org over the last year or so i have been slowly updating my clothes.
i thought maybe it was just me who had been dressing like a middle aged matron since i was 23 but whilst talking to a young xsister recently i learnt that she too has thrown out most of the clothes she used to wear whilst a dub.. has anyone else found themselves doing this, and is it just a female thing?
Not just a female thing. When I left the Borg, I noticed that I had tons of black slacks, tan slacks, and white and powder blue oxford shirts. And that was it!!
Now I have shirts of every color in the rainbow; slacks of all sorts of colors; no sensible shoes; a beard, steel-rimmed glasses; and I forget what all else.
I'm a free man in more ways than one! Go for it!!
Francoise
i need any printed wt material posted that you would consider an direct attack on the catholic church.. thanks in advance - openminded
Hi Somebody:
Do you have that entire quote about the catholic church claiming to be the way of salvation for millions of people, etc., and that any organization making such a claim should be ready to defend its views?
You know the one? The one where the Borg shoots itself squarely through the foot? Would you post it here?
With Many Thanks,
Francoise
