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  Are There Certain Posters You Trust Here?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been on this site for a number of years now.

  i don't easily trust just anybody.

  having said that, there are a few persons here that know my real identity and i'm comfortable with them.. are there certain posters that you trust here?.

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  quietlyleaving

  I trust you too snowbird

  I've met a few from JWN and can vouch for them - creativhoney, ip-sec, diva, crumpet and mr majestic

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  Is the book of Job anti-humanist? Zizek's alternative reading.

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the book of job has sometimes been read as an anti-humanist reply to the notion that the creator is a god who takes a personal interest in humanity.. job was stricken with illness and various trials.

  his three "friends" suggested that he must have done something to offend god for these terrible tribulations to have befallen him.

  job protested his innocence.

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  quietlyleaving

  very interesting slim and I hope you get a discussion out of this topic. Personally I think there is possibly room for both readings even if they very contradictory. what does Zizek have to say specifically?

  Another thing - I would like to know approximately when Job was written and what period does its ideas reflect. I ask this because I was reading something similar regarding Socratic thought. Socrates is credited with changing the direction of Greek philosophy away from cosmology to man's position in the world during the 5th century BC.

  edit: interestingly wiki suggests that Job may stem from Sumerian legends

  Possible Sumerian source The Assyriologist and SumerologistSamuel Noah Kramer in his 1959 book History Begins at Sumer: Thirty-Nine "Firsts" in Recorded History (1956), provided a translation of a Sumerian text which Professor Kramer argued evinces a parallel with the Biblical story of Job. Professor Kramer drew an inference that the Hebrew version is in some way derived from a Sumerian predecessor.
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  Did You Personally Know Any JWs That Were Sexually Molested By Other JWs?

  by minimus in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i knew of a handful (which is too many) that were molested by a jehovah's witness.

  it was not typical in my experience.

  what about you???.

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  quietlyleaving

  yes
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  An atheist and a creationist are walking along a riverbank . . . .

  by nicolaou in

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  2. beliefs

  the course of this river has obviously been designed, it's avoiding every single tree on the riverbank!.

  creationist: are you trying to tell me that all those plants know where the riverbank is?.

  atheist: no one designed the river!

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  can you step into the same river twice...
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  Reading the bible and loving it

  by digderidoo in

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  2. friends

  after looking at some read the bible in one year plans, i have been toying with the idea of giving it a go.

  i don't know if anybody has come across these plans, but each day of the week you put about 15 minutes aside and read a bit from the ot, a psalm, an epistle and a gospel.

  eventually after a year you've read the lot.. although as a jw i have read most of the bible, i only did it within the constrains of referencing from a wt publication.

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  I also want to re-read the bible. I attend some of the meetings and always try to read on in the bible along with my KIT whenever NT scriptures are mentioned. This has been a very re-refeshing experience for me. I agree that going back after unravelling a JW, and for me even a chrisitian, mindset and re-routing by means of a completely different outlook is very rewarding and inspiring.
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  Saw outlaw at the beach the other day...not bad lookin.....

  by oompa in

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  i followed the little tree icons directions and have loaded pics before but doubt this came through as when i upload it to the little tree box only a red x appears even though my picture appears in the box..........help please if this does not post and i am in explorer not chrome.

  outlaw i took this from my boat...and could just see you on board!.....oompa.

  yep, just like i thought...no picture!

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  thankyou oompa - so outlaw! almost exactly how I pictured him
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  Saw outlaw at the beach the other day...not bad lookin.....

  by oompa in

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  i followed the little tree icons directions and have loaded pics before but doubt this came through as when i upload it to the little tree box only a red x appears even though my picture appears in the box..........help please if this does not post and i am in explorer not chrome.

  outlaw i took this from my boat...and could just see you on board!.....oompa.

  yep, just like i thought...no picture!

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  still waiting!!!!
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  European Court: No Crucifixes in Italian Schools

  by behemot in

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  http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/11/03/world/ap-eu-italy-religious-symbols.html?_r=1.

  your opinion?.

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  I have mixed feelings about this. Crucifixes can be seen as cultural symbols that transcend religion but on the other hand in Italy they have a strongly religious significance as they also do in Chrisitan countries. But in Italy, on popular feast days there are often religous processions in which crucifixes are held aloft. This happens a lot. So I can see why this mother fought to have them removed from the classrooms of the (secular?) schools her children attended as she wanted to hold them to the secularly neutral education they promised.
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  Spirituality?

  by startingover in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as a jw, i'm sure we all realize now that our "spirituality" was gauged by your meeting attendance and how many hours you put in field service.

  to jw's it seems to be a mechanical thing.

  as a jw i could relate somewhat to the word because of what it meant in that scenario, but now that i'm out and an unbeliever i cannot relate to the word in any way.

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  spirituality has to do with how we deal with disaster and I agree that this involves aesthetics particularly an aesthetics of the sublime. Being reduced to nothingness and then rising above only to fall again - rising and falling. Religion imo does have a part in this
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  Re-cap of my wife's awakening last week.

  by Open mind in

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  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/experiences/176622/1/update-from-open-mind.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/177326/1/point-of-no-return-had-the-f-d-slave-talk-with-my-wife.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/private/178025/1/my-jw-wife-is-looking-at-jws-on-the-net-wahoo.

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  quietlyleaving

  excellent links. I think its time to resurrect this subject with my other half and couple it with questions regarding who Jehovah actually is. If the WTS have gone for the convenient popular option in choosing Jehovah as God's name could the WTS have also gone for a convenient option regarding his personality too?

  Somehow convenience and truth (truth on their terms) do not sit together very well

  edit: on the official JW site there is lots of worthwhile info re the divine name to build an argument - check it out - this is fun