were you a born-in or became one as an adult?
how long were you in for?
what made you realise it was all wrong?
Were you a born-in or became one as an adult?..... neither it was as a young teenager
How long were you in for ? ...many decades
What made you realise it was all wrong? my INFP personality (idealism )was broken due to lack of love
Are you fading or have you completely gone? intense fading
"i contend that we are both atheists.
i just believe in one fewer god than you do.
when you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why i dismiss yours.
"Perception is the acknowledgment that love and purpose, while not tangible phyiscally, are realities of the human experience. Perception also teaches us that love and purpose do not need to be linked to religion or a god ... " ~~~~ATJ
This seems to make sense , that human experience can help you understand the realities of intangible things and therefore to be fair would have to apply to realities concerning perceptions of God also
yet many here discount "religious experiences as invalid"
It has been said ...that the Heavenly God can be perceived in these three ways
1)creation 2)conscience 3) communication ( some personal human experience then )
If you take away the intangible perception factor two of the three can be invalidated by all other humans but onesself
"i contend that we are both atheists.
i just believe in one fewer god than you do.
when you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why i dismiss yours.
Jeff I think you make some very thought provoking statements.... I would need time to ponder it ?????
"i contend that we are both atheists.
i just believe in one fewer god than you do.
when you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why i dismiss yours.
The greatest truths are told in jest
Jesters do oft prove prophets.
Shakespeare
"i contend that we are both atheists.
i just believe in one fewer god than you do.
when you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why i dismiss yours.
"You would have to be open that your purpose in life, your "spirituality" is not linked to either believing or not believing."~~AlltimeJeff
It all still involves sensing or seeing that which is unseen to the human literal eye...at least in the following definition it does
So a basic definition of spirituality is the quality of one’s sensitivity to the things of the spirit. And what are these things of the spirit? These are those that cannot be directly perceived by our senses but whose effects can be deduced or inferred by our observations, like love, justice, peace, etc.
So the basic meaning of spirituality is that it is a term which encompasses everything that we cannot see directly with our eyes, directly perceive by the other senses and know by our mere reason. That is spirituality in its basic meaning
http://spirituality4now.blogspot.com/2010/02/meaning-of-spirituality.html
"i contend that we are both atheists.
i just believe in one fewer god than you do.
when you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why i dismiss yours.
There is no need for gods that perform specific little tasks or represent specific areas of life when you have One God that is almighty and powerful
control of just say thunderbolts doesn't do it for me ! It's going to be a stormy day over the bay before I look to Thor for salvation
It's all about the redundancy thing !!!
"i contend that we are both atheists.
i just believe in one fewer god than you do.
when you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why i dismiss yours.
I think many here could quite naturally take to another god.... Sarcasm
It doesn't matter what you or I BELIEVE. What matters is what is true. I could jump off a tall building and say that I don't believe in gravity.
"The truth will come out in the pudding "
i was just wondering what everyone here found the most frustrating to talk to jws about, list as many as you feel..
1)Trying to explain that YHWH is not the same as Jehovah (the honor in using a name ...is what that person stands for not some sort of magical
password) (You honor your parents for example by respecting them not by repeating their name like
John or Mary over and over again )
2)To understand that a ratio of JW's of 1 in a thousand is the same as 1% in is not a hight ratio but a very low one
3)That love (kindness from the heart ) is the "perfect bond of union ".. not meeting attendence ,obedience, perfection
or "total unity" in thought or beliefs
4)that the word "Grace' not 'underserved kindness" conveys a kinder, encouraging, and more meanful appeal
5) "your works "are your simply your actions all day long , not field service and meetings
6) While disfellowshipping is Bibical it was only used in extreme cases , not to control people and cut off normal family activities
i do, so i was just curious.. i know the org tends to attract/cause/contribute to people having low self-esteem, so i figure a lot of people must have it as bad or worse than me..
@RubaDub I would want to hear it... seriously . I am thinking you may have said this tongue in cheek
but is that not part of the root cause to self-esteem and depression problems we fear that people we see us a weak ?
Self-esteem seems sometimes to be a day to day thing often affected they how other people react to us ... it is hard but only if we can look past
this to our self-worth. We all to often hide our feelings out of fear.
All too often we (myself included for sure) want to be seen as postive and sure of ourselves.. the truth is
we all could use many encouraging words... a nice "pat on the back .. 'I understand buddy your hurts and fears !"
Does anyone wish to share a hug today ? because I could sure use one !!
75% of people with depression
don't seek treatment likely due to fear or shame of appearing weak
i do, so i was just curious.. i know the org tends to attract/cause/contribute to people having low self-esteem, so i figure a lot of people must have it as bad or worse than me..
"Self-esteem is the measure of how you feel about yourself at a given moment in time"
Respect is earned. Honesty is appreciated. Trust is gained. And Loyalty is returned...however
without feeling or acknowledging one's own self worth,one cannot feel too strongly either way about themself.
"Therefore , the issue seems to be whether or not we seek validation from the exterior, from others (self-esteem), or from the interior, from our inner nature (self-worth)"
http://integral-options.blogspot.com/2006/07/self-esteem-vs-self-worth.html
We have been taught that to love ourselves is a sin... to have 'false pride' is.. maybe... but to genuinely love and respect ourselves is the bedrock of all wonderful relationships and happiness
Nobody can make you feel inferior without your consent. ~Eleanor Roosevelt
