Walter Martin once said," We really have a lot of people to bring to the Lord." Yes..the JW. Never forget the JW...they are honest, sincere, and very loving people....As for the WatchTower Bible & Tract Society..that's another issue:-)
FrankRaven
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The real truth is that you know you've recovered when you stop caring about JW's
by gubberningbody init's perhaps sad, but perhaps a bit of wisdom to come to realize how insignificant jws really are.. .
you finally get to the point where you don't even care what happens to the borg one way or another.. .
this said after almost four years..
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Watchtower 1954 = "Jesus had NO Beard and nice short hair?? What?
by Witness 007 in1954 - 1968 jesus appeared in all publication pictures as a clean shaven short haired "witness" man....remember?.
watchtower 1954 p.511 q.f.r "why do watchtower books now show jesus with short hair and no beard?
....because he is shown that way in representations that are older then the traditional effeminate looking pictures...".
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FrankRaven
According to jewish customs in those days, it was forbidden for men to be clean shaven(face) and to cut one's hair short.And even in the bible it tells us that Jesus never broke any jewish law.Anyone say other wise never read history,unless that one is stuck in the Watch Tower writings
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I'm a Neutral Jehovah's Witness
by Martini indear brothers and sisters,.
i martini, will confide in you that i have become a neutral jehovah's witness.
i wonder if i'm not coining a new phrase here!.
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FrankRaven
There's comes a time when you come to a cross roads in this world where you want to go.Society tells you that if you leave you leave Jehovah God,because one needs to follow the Society so you can obtain food in due season.But do you really?
What Jesus says in simple;"I am the WAY,the TRUTH,and the LIFE.No one comes to the Father except through Me."..Simple enough I'd say.
I no longer listen to the Watchtower Society.They can't save me.Only prayer can and Christ's saving GRACE.
So it's up to you.
PEACE
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Watchtower & Abaddon
by FrankRaven ina while back i heard that the watchtower said that christ and abaddon was the same.so i asked a few jws and they said,yes.. so i looked it up.in 1992 this is what the gb said......... .
i was off line......getting ready to shut down for the night.then i remembered my wt cd and abaddon.so i put it on.... a few months back a witnesses said that jesus was abaddon...i asked a few witnesses and they agreed.i couldn't believe it.wt says that christ was abaddon?since at the time i didn't have the cd i forget it until tonight.over the past few months i had posession of the wt cd library........ {watchtower;5/1/92,page 11}there it was.under,"keep close in mind of day,"the watchtower society said that christ was abaddon.may 1,1992 of the watchtower.. now,four,i know we do have a few differences,but check it out yourself.. sure...i was being sarcastic when i said sadeum+abaddon=christ...acccording to the watchtower......but i looked it up...it's there.......the witnesses were really right...the wt does say it.. my heart goes out to those poor witnesses because they must believe what the gb says....and the gb says that christ is abaddon.. how evil the wt really is?i just scratched the surface............ peace.
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FrankRaven
A while back I heard that the Watchtower said that Christ and Abaddon was the same.So I asked a few JWs and they said,yes.
So I looked it up.In 1992 this is what the GB said........
I Got It! I was off line......getting ready to shut down for the night.Then I remembered my WT CD and Abaddon.So I put it on...
A few months back a Witnesses said that Jesus was Abaddon...I asked a few Witnesses and they agreed.I couldn't believe it.WT says that Christ was Abaddon?Since at the time I didn't have the CD I forget it until tonight.Over the past few months I had posession of the WT CD Library.......
{Watchtower;5/1/92,page 11}There it was.Under,"Keep Close In Mind of Day,"the Watchtower Society said that Christ was Abaddon.May 1,1992 of the Watchtower.
Now,Four,I know we do have a few differences,but check it out yourself.
Sure...I was being sarcastic when I said Sadeum+Abaddon=Christ...acccording to the Watchtower......But I looked it up...it's there.......The Witnesses were really right...the WT does say it.
My heart goes out to those poor Witnesses because they must believe what the GB says....and the GB says that Christ is Abaddon.
How evil the WT really is?I just scratched the surface...........
PEACE
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DON'T GIVE JEHOVAH WITNESSES A BREAK
by Iwasyoungonce init has almost always been my experience that when encountering a jehovah witness with sword drawn to defend relgion the first demand is to establish what clan (relgion) i have been branded with.
thus the nit picking of my faith can take place.
like a tit for tat.
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FrankRaven
Why give a Witnesses a break?If anything,I don't.When I finally broke back in 1989,at first I began to ask JWs questions,not of their faith,but of the Watchtower.Then they tried to belittle me and told me I had no right,judging,their faith.I said,"not faith but your religion HQ."
Over the years I had very little success about asking on the Watchtower,by asking JWs.A few did look into my question and they'd vanish.VEry few Elders would give me little of their time.Ray Franz looked into it and we all know what happen to him.Imagine,He was of the Anointed at Bethel in the Writing commette.
I'm usually in the Bord room in AOL posting questions to JWs because they ask.Boy,the response.I get called anything from a lyer to things I can't repete.When I find one studying with JWs I ask...then I find out that they ask other JWs.I get a nasty answer.
I try to ask with love and I get a devil of an answer.But I do hear that a few think.Thinking,Watchtower says,is independent thought and that's evil.
If one leaves the WT it's not leaving Jehovah God.I can't stress it enough.I realize for those who have family in the WT it can ruin your life.That's sad,but there is one thought that brings joy to my heart and Spirit....God will judge and judge the Watchtower He will.
Will I continue?Yes.The work is well worth the pain,because God's promise is everlasting Peace.
PEACE BE WITH YOU
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Fred Price a Jehovah's Witness????
by JT infor years i have seen this guy on tv i recall going out to la for a dc and his church was located in the territory of the bethelites family i stayed with and we laughed at how he was getting over on folks, just taking their money.
and now i learn that he got his early training from the jehovahs witnesses.
yes i think fred price is my new idol.
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FrankRaven
Fried Price?He has a rich church out on the Crenshaw dist out in Los Angels....Front seats in the church will cost you $1,000.He knows that religion is one of the biggest business around.
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Changes in Watchtower Literature
by FrankRaven in3, p. 228).. rewritten.
"this calculation shows a.d. 1874 as marking the beginning of the period of trouble; for 1542 years b.c.
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FrankRaven
The quotations on this page clearly show how the Watchtower has changed its own history by re-writing its own literature in an attempt to avoid being revealed as a false prophet.
"That the deliverance of the saints must take place some time before 1914 is manifest...Just how long before 1914 the last living members of the body of Christ will be glorified, we are not directly informed;" (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 3, p. 228).
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"That the deliverance of the saints must take place very soon after 1914 is manifest... Just how long after 1914 the last living members of the body of Christ will be glorified, we are not directly informed;" (Ibid., 1923 ed.)
"This calculation shows A.D. 1874 as marking the beginning of the period of trouble; for 1542 years B.C. plus 1874 years A.D. equals 3416 years. Thus the Pyramid witnesses that the close of 1874 was the chronological beginning of the time of trouble..." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 3, p. 342, 1889 ed.)
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"This calculation shows A.D. 1915 as marking the beginning of the period of trouble; for 1542 years B.C. plus 1915 years A.D. equals 3457 years. Thus the Pyramid witnesses that the close of 1914 will be the beginning of the time of trouble..." (Ibid., 1905 ed.)
"Also, in the year 1918, when God destroys the churches wholesale and the church members by millions..." (The Finished Mystery, 1917 ed.).
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"Also, in the year 1918, when God begins to destroys the churches and the church members by millions..." (Ibid., 1926 ed.)
These are some of the writings foundational to Watchtower history, but what of more recent examples?:
"Also, as reported back in 1960, a former United States Secretary of State, Dean Acheson, declared that our time is "a period of unequaled instability, unequaled violence." And he warned: "I know enough of what is going on to assure you that, in fifteen years from today, this world is going to be too dangerous to live in." (The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life, p.9. [as published prior to 1975]).
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"Also, as reported back in 1960, a former United States Secretary of State, Dean Acheson, declared that our time is "a period of unequaled instability, unequaled violence." Based on what he knew was then going on in the world, it was his conclusion that soon "this world is going to be too dangerous to live in." (The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life, p.9. [as published after to 1975]).
Note that this was changed after the significant Watchtower date of 1975, which was strongly hinted to be the date for the beginning of the millennium reign of Christ, failed to materialised.
"The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century." (w89 1/1 12 "The Hand of Jehovah Was With Them" [as originally published in the Watchtower magazine]).
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"The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our day." (w89 1/1 12 "The Hand of Jehovah Was With Them" [as it appears in Watchtower bound volumes & CD-ROMs])
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Europeans Outlaw Net Hate Speech
by NewLight2 inhttp://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,56294,00.html.
europeans outlaw net hate speech .
by julia scheeres .
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FrankRaven
it's getting there even in this country.Washington D. C. considers this type of writings as part of the Press.Therefore D.C.,at this time and place,will do nothing against the internet.Of course the U.S.P.S.,Phone Communications,have been trying to get their finger,$$$$,in the internet.
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Diet Bias: Evolution vs. Creation
by patio34 in1. creation viewpoint: if one takes the bible literally, then it follows that all humans were vegetarian until the flood.
in fact, gen. 1:30 states that all creation ate vegetation.
one could deduce also from the bible that the carnivore/prey cycle is not god's original plan and that possibly it would be done away with in a paradise earth (isaiah somewhere).
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FrankRaven
there's a great book out on Evolution or creation called,"Not By Chance."It answers most questions on the issues.And just another thought...many scientists are turning their backs on darwinism,(evolution).Why?They themselves,scientists,are seeing the fallacy of evolution.
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Do you Believe?
by FrankRaven ini have this exciting test..... do you believe test .
test a jehovahs witness belief today with the following questions: you will be surprise of the answer they will give you.
do you believe, jesus was crucified on a cross?.
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FrankRaven
I have this exciting test....
DO YOU BELIEVE TEST
Test a Jehovahs Witness belief today with the following questions: You will be surprise of the answer they will give you.
DO YOU BELIEVE, Jesus was crucified on a cross?
See old Watchtower Magazine from prior to 1930 known as The Watchtower Herald of Christs presence. In the upper right hand corner of the cover page there is a cross inserted in a crown which is one of the Masonic symbols.
DO YOU BELIEVE, Michael worships Jesus Christ?
The Watchtower;
Nov. 1879; Page 4; His position (Jesus) is contrasted with that of men and angels, as he is Lord of both, having All power in heaven and earth. Hence it is said, let all the angels of God worship him: [That must include Michael the chief angel, hence Michael in not the Son of God] and the reason is because he has by inheritance obtained a more excellent Name than they.The Watchtower;
July 15, 1898; Page 216; Yes, we believe our Lord Jesus while on earth was really worshipped and properly so.DO YOU BELIEVE, Christmas is important no matter what date it is observed?
The Watchtower;
Dec. 15, 1903; Page 457; Christmas is an important event and it should be celebrated and properly join all those whose hearts are in the attitude of love and appreciation toward God and toward the Savior.The Watchtower;
Dec. 1, 1904; Page 364; Since the celebration of our Lords birth is not a matter of divine appointment or injunction, but merely a tribute of respect to him, it is not necessary for us to quibble particularly about the date. We may as well join with the civilized world in celebrating the grand event on the day which the majority celebrate-Christmas Day.The Watchtower
; Dec. 15, 1926; Page 371; Christmas is very important regardless of the Date it occurred.DO YOU BELIEVE, Pastor Russell was the faithful and discreet slave?
The Watchtower;
April 15, 1904; page 125. The faithful and discreet slave is one individual and not a company of people.The Watchtower;
Dec. 1, 1916; page 357 & 374. Pastor Russell claimed he was the faithful discreet slave in private conversation with people.DO YOU BELIEVE, Jesus returned in 1874?
The Watchtower;
Feb. 1881; page 188; A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. New light never extinguishes older light but adds to it. Jesus returned invisibly in 1874.The Battle of Armageddon; Studies in the Scriptures; Series IV;
1897; page 621; Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874 A.D., according to the testimony of the prophetsThe Watchtower;
Sept. 15, 1922; page 278; Jesus returned in 1874 to power.The Watchtower;
March 1, 1923; page 67; The scriptures show that his second presence was due in 1874.The Watchtower;
Jan. 1, 1924; page 5, Surely there is not the slightest room for doubt in the mind of a truly consecrated child of God that the Lord Jesus is present and has been since 1874.Creation;
1927; (2,175,000 edition); page 289; The scriptural proof is that the period of his presence (Jesus) and the day of Gods preparation is a period from 1874 A.D. forward.DO YOU BELIEVE, Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega?
The Finished Mystery;
1917; Page 15; I am the Alpha and the Omega. The first and the last. Our Lords great honor is shown in that He was not only the first of Gods creation, but the last.The Finished Mystery
; 1917; Page 57; Jesus was not raised in the flesh.The Finished Mystery
; 1917; Page 318; Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega.DO YOU BELIEVE, Roman 10:14 is applied to Jesus Christ?
The Watchtower;
Dec. 1, 1903; Page 3282; Roman 10:14 is applied to Jesus.DO YOU BELIEVE, All the creatures in heaven and on earth worships the Son Jesus.
The Watchtower
; Aug. 15, 1941; Page 252; All the creatures in heaven and on earth worships the Son Jesus.DO YOU BELIEVE, Jehovah disposed of Jesus body by dissolving it into constituent elements of atoms?
The Watchtower
; Sept. 1, 1953; Page 518; What happened to the perfect fleshly body of Jesus after his death? The Scriptures answer: It was disposed of by Jehovah God, dissolved into its constituent elements of atoms.DO YOU BELIEVE, ex-priest Johannes Greber, who is a spiritualist claimed spirits helped him in his translation of the New Testament?
The Watchtower
; Feb. 15, 1956; Page 110; The Watchtower quotes a ex-priest Johannes Greber, who is a spiritualist states spirits helped him in his translation of the New Testament.The Watchtower
; Feb. 15, 1956; Page 111; Late in the summer of 1923 Gods holy spirits contacted Pastor Greber. In his spare time he started to work on his book Communication with the Spirit World. Later he translated the New Testament with the help of Gods spirit World. At times, he was given the correct answers in large illuminated letters and words passing before his eyes.DO YOU BELIEVE, Jesus returned in 1881 for the anointed class and the door was shut and no one can be a member of the anointed class at this point?
The Watchtower;
Oct/Nov. 1881; page 289; Jesus returned in 1881 for the anointed class. The door was shut and no one can be a member of the anointed class at this point.DO YOU BELIEVE, The six volumes of Studies in the Scriptures are practically the bible itself and all you need is to read these volumes without the Bible and still be in the truth?
The Watchtower;
Sept 10, 1910; page 4685. The six volumes of Studies in the Scriptures are practically the bible itself. Reading the bible alone for 10 years, a person can go into darkness, but reading the six volumes of Studies in the Scriptures without the bible, the person can be in the light.DO YOU BELIEVE, the Bible has mistakes?
The Watchtower;
April 1, 1920; page 103; It is freely admitted, The Finish Mystery has mistakes, so does the bible.DO YOU BELIEVE, the Holy Spirit has been taken away in 1918 when Christ came to the temple to gather the faithful ones?
Preservation;
1932; pages 193-194; The Holy Spirit was taken away from the Watchtower when Jesus pronounced Judgement in 1918 when he came to the temple and gathered the faithful ones.DO YOU BELIEVE, angels sends the message to the Watchtower and no longer the Holy Spirit?
Vindication;
1932; page 250. It is angels that sends the message to the Watchtower and has been rendering this service to the remnant since 1919.DO YOU BELIEVE, 6000 years of human history ended in 1972?
The Truth Shall Make You Free,
1943, page 152; 6000 years of human history ended in 1972DO YOU BELIEVE, The millennium began in 1873?
Thy Kingdom Come
, page 305; The millennium began in 1873DO YOU BELIEVE, Sodom and Gomorrah will receive a second opportunity?
Plan of the Ages
, page 110; Sodom and Gomorrah will receive a second opportunityThe Watchtower
, March 1965 page 139; Sodom and Gomorrah will receive a second opportunityDO YOU BELIEVE, Michael the archangel is the pope of Rome?
The Finish Mystery;
The Watchtower and Bible Tract Society; 1917; page 188-189; And there was war in heaven. between the two ecclesiastical powers, pagan Rome and Papal Rome. Michael Who as God the Pope H275; C62 and His angels The Bishops...A Jehovahs Witness today will say NO to everyone of those questions. This is old light for them. This was truth and is no longer consider truth.
Did anyone ever see the Steven Spielbergs movie Back to the future? Picture yourself as a Jehovahs Witness and you get into a Time Machine and go back 100 years to the year 1900. You visit the Governing Body at Bethel in Brooklyn to warn them about the doctrine they currently believe is old light and it is no longer consider the truth in the 21 century. You show them the evidence of new printed articles of the future publication by the organization refuting these doctrines above. What do you think the Governing Body will tell you as the future Jehovahs Witness?
Heres what the governing body of the Watchtower will tell the future Jehovahs Witness:
1. You are an apostate and not a true Jehovahs Witness. This is the truth because we are Gods Spirit directed organization. These doctrines we believe today in our generation are true and are taken from the Bible.
2. You are not a true Jehovahs Witness unless you believe these doctrines.
Hoped you all enjoyed it......