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Changes in Watchtower Literature

by FrankRaven in

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3, p. 228).. rewritten.

"this calculation shows a.d. 1874 as marking the beginning of the period of trouble; for 1542 years b.c.

rewritten.

FrankRaven

The quotations on this page clearly show how the Watchtower has changed its own history by re-writing its own literature in an attempt to avoid being revealed as a false prophet.

"That the deliverance of the saints must take place some time before 1914 is manifest...Just how long before 1914 the last living members of the body of Christ will be glorified, we are not directly informed;" (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 3, p. 228).

Rewritten

"That the deliverance of the saints must take place very soon after 1914 is manifest... Just how long after 1914 the last living members of the body of Christ will be glorified, we are not directly informed;" (Ibid., 1923 ed.)

"This calculation shows A.D. 1874 as marking the beginning of the period of trouble; for 1542 years B.C. plus 1874 years A.D. equals 3416 years. Thus the Pyramid witnesses that the close of 1874 was the chronological beginning of the time of trouble..." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 3, p. 342, 1889 ed.)

Rewritten

"This calculation shows A.D. 1915 as marking the beginning of the period of trouble; for 1542 years B.C. plus 1915 years A.D. equals 3457 years. Thus the Pyramid witnesses that the close of 1914 will be the beginning of the time of trouble..." (Ibid., 1905 ed.)

"Also, in the year 1918, when God destroys the churches wholesale and the church members by millions..." (The Finished Mystery, 1917 ed.).

Rewritten

"Also, in the year 1918, when God begins to destroys the churches and the church members by millions..." (Ibid., 1926 ed.)

These are some of the writings foundational to Watchtower history, but what of more recent examples?:

"Also, as reported back in 1960, a former United States Secretary of State, Dean Acheson, declared that our time is "a period of unequaled instability, unequaled violence." And he warned: "I know enough of what is going on to assure you that, in fifteen years from today, this world is going to be too dangerous to live in." (The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life, p.9. [as published prior to 1975]).

Rewritten

"Also, as reported back in 1960, a former United States Secretary of State, Dean Acheson, declared that our time is "a period of unequaled instability, unequaled violence." Based on what he knew was then going on in the world, it was his conclusion that soon "this world is going to be too dangerous to live in." (The Truth that Leads to Eternal Life, p.9. [as published after to 1975]).

Note that this was changed after the significant Watchtower date of 1975, which was strongly hinted to be the date for the beginning of the millennium reign of Christ, failed to materialised.

"The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century." (w89 1/1 12 "The Hand of Jehovah Was With Them" [as originally published in the Watchtower magazine]).

Rewritten

"The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our day." (w89 1/1 12 "The Hand of Jehovah Was With Them" [as it appears in Watchtower bound volumes & CD-ROMs])

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Europeans Outlaw Net Hate Speech

by NewLight2 in

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http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,56294,00.html.

europeans outlaw net hate speech .

by julia scheeres .

FrankRaven

it's getting there even in this country.Washington D. C. considers this type of writings as part of the Press.Therefore D.C.,at this time and place,will do nothing against the internet.Of course the U.S.P.S.,Phone Communications,have been trying to get their finger,$$$$,in the internet.

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Diet Bias: Evolution vs. Creation

by patio34 in

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1. creation viewpoint: if one takes the bible literally, then it follows that all humans were vegetarian until the flood.

in fact, gen. 1:30 states that all creation ate vegetation.

one could deduce also from the bible that the carnivore/prey cycle is not god's original plan and that possibly it would be done away with in a paradise earth (isaiah somewhere).

FrankRaven

there's a great book out on Evolution or creation called,"Not By Chance."It answers most questions on the issues.And just another thought...many scientists are turning their backs on darwinism,(evolution).Why?They themselves,scientists,are seeing the fallacy of evolution.

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Do you Believe?

by FrankRaven in

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i have this exciting test..... do you believe test .

test a jehovahs witness belief today with the following questions: you will be surprise of the answer they will give you.

do you believe, jesus was crucified on a cross?.

FrankRaven

I have this exciting test....

DO YOU BELIEVE TEST

Test a Jehovahs Witness belief today with the following questions: You will be surprise of the answer they will give you.

DO YOU BELIEVE, Jesus was crucified on a cross?

See old Watchtower Magazine from prior to 1930 known as The Watchtower Herald of Christs presence. In the upper right hand corner of the cover page there is a cross inserted in a crown which is one of the Masonic symbols.

DO YOU BELIEVE, Michael worships Jesus Christ?

The Watchtower;

Nov. 1879; Page 4; His position (Jesus) is contrasted with that of men and angels, as he is Lord of both, having All power in heaven and earth. Hence it is said, let all the angels of God worship him: [That must include Michael the chief angel, hence Michael in not the Son of God] and the reason is because he has by inheritance obtained a more excellent Name than they.

The Watchtower;

July 15, 1898; Page 216; Yes, we believe our Lord Jesus while on earth was really worshipped and properly so.

DO YOU BELIEVE, Christmas is important no matter what date it is observed?

The Watchtower;

Dec. 15, 1903; Page 457; Christmas is an important event and it should be celebrated and properly join all those whose hearts are in the attitude of love and appreciation toward God and toward the Savior.

The Watchtower;

Dec. 1, 1904; Page 364; Since the celebration of our Lords birth is not a matter of divine appointment or injunction, but merely a tribute of respect to him, it is not necessary for us to quibble particularly about the date. We may as well join with the civilized world in celebrating the grand event on the day which the majority celebrate-Christmas Day.

The Watchtower

; Dec. 15, 1926; Page 371; Christmas is very important regardless of the Date it occurred.

DO YOU BELIEVE, Pastor Russell was the faithful and discreet slave?

The Watchtower;

April 15, 1904; page 125. The faithful and discreet slave is one individual and not a company of people.

The Watchtower;

Dec. 1, 1916; page 357 & 374. Pastor Russell claimed he was the faithful discreet slave in private conversation with people.

DO YOU BELIEVE, Jesus returned in 1874?

The Watchtower;

Feb. 1881; page 188; A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. New light never extinguishes older light but adds to it. Jesus returned invisibly in 1874.

The Battle of Armageddon; Studies in the Scriptures; Series IV;

1897; page 621; Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874 A.D., according to the testimony of the prophets

The Watchtower;

Sept. 15, 1922; page 278; Jesus returned in 1874 to power.

The Watchtower;

March 1, 1923; page 67; The scriptures show that his second presence was due in 1874.

The Watchtower;

Jan. 1, 1924; page 5, Surely there is not the slightest room for doubt in the mind of a truly consecrated child of God that the Lord Jesus is present and has been since 1874.

Creation;

1927; (2,175,000 edition); page 289; The scriptural proof is that the period of his presence (Jesus) and the day of Gods preparation is a period from 1874 A.D. forward.

DO YOU BELIEVE, Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega?

The Finished Mystery;

1917; Page 15; I am the Alpha and the Omega. The first and the last. Our Lords great honor is shown in that He was not only the first of Gods creation, but the last.

The Finished Mystery

; 1917; Page 57; Jesus was not raised in the flesh.

The Finished Mystery

; 1917; Page 318; Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega.

DO YOU BELIEVE, Roman 10:14 is applied to Jesus Christ?

The Watchtower;

Dec. 1, 1903; Page 3282; Roman 10:14 is applied to Jesus.

DO YOU BELIEVE, All the creatures in heaven and on earth worships the Son Jesus.

The Watchtower

; Aug. 15, 1941; Page 252; All the creatures in heaven and on earth worships the Son Jesus.

DO YOU BELIEVE, Jehovah disposed of Jesus body by dissolving it into constituent elements of atoms?

The Watchtower

; Sept. 1, 1953; Page 518; What happened to the perfect fleshly body of Jesus after his death? The Scriptures answer: It was disposed of by Jehovah God, dissolved into its constituent elements of atoms.

DO YOU BELIEVE, ex-priest Johannes Greber, who is a spiritualist claimed spirits helped him in his translation of the New Testament?

The Watchtower

; Feb. 15, 1956; Page 110; The Watchtower quotes a ex-priest Johannes Greber, who is a spiritualist states spirits helped him in his translation of the New Testament.

The Watchtower

; Feb. 15, 1956; Page 111; Late in the summer of 1923 Gods holy spirits contacted Pastor Greber. In his spare time he started to work on his book Communication with the Spirit World. Later he translated the New Testament with the help of Gods spirit World. At times, he was given the correct answers in large illuminated letters and words passing before his eyes.

DO YOU BELIEVE, Jesus returned in 1881 for the anointed class and the door was shut and no one can be a member of the anointed class at this point?

The Watchtower;

Oct/Nov. 1881; page 289; Jesus returned in 1881 for the anointed class. The door was shut and no one can be a member of the anointed class at this point.

DO YOU BELIEVE, The six volumes of Studies in the Scriptures are practically the bible itself and all you need is to read these volumes without the Bible and still be in the truth?

The Watchtower;

Sept 10, 1910; page 4685. The six volumes of Studies in the Scriptures are practically the bible itself. Reading the bible alone for 10 years, a person can go into darkness, but reading the six volumes of Studies in the Scriptures without the bible, the person can be in the light.

DO YOU BELIEVE, the Bible has mistakes?

The Watchtower;

April 1, 1920; page 103; It is freely admitted, The Finish Mystery has mistakes, so does the bible.

DO YOU BELIEVE, the Holy Spirit has been taken away in 1918 when Christ came to the temple to gather the faithful ones?

Preservation;

1932; pages 193-194; The Holy Spirit was taken away from the Watchtower when Jesus pronounced Judgement in 1918 when he came to the temple and gathered the faithful ones.

DO YOU BELIEVE, angels sends the message to the Watchtower and no longer the Holy Spirit?

Vindication;

1932; page 250. It is angels that sends the message to the Watchtower and has been rendering this service to the remnant since 1919.

DO YOU BELIEVE, 6000 years of human history ended in 1972?

The Truth Shall Make You Free,

1943, page 152; 6000 years of human history ended in 1972

DO YOU BELIEVE, The millennium began in 1873?

Thy Kingdom Come

, page 305; The millennium began in 1873

DO YOU BELIEVE, Sodom and Gomorrah will receive a second opportunity?

Plan of the Ages

, page 110; Sodom and Gomorrah will receive a second opportunity

The Watchtower

, March 1965 page 139; Sodom and Gomorrah will receive a second opportunity

DO YOU BELIEVE, Michael the archangel is the pope of Rome?

The Finish Mystery;

The Watchtower and Bible Tract Society; 1917; page 188-189; And there was war in heaven. between the two ecclesiastical powers, pagan Rome and Papal Rome. Michael Who as God the Pope H275; C62 and His angels The Bishops...

A Jehovahs Witness today will say NO to everyone of those questions. This is old light for them. This was truth and is no longer consider truth.

Did anyone ever see the Steven Spielbergs movie Back to the future? Picture yourself as a Jehovahs Witness and you get into a Time Machine and go back 100 years to the year 1900. You visit the Governing Body at Bethel in Brooklyn to warn them about the doctrine they currently believe is old light and it is no longer consider the truth in the 21 century. You show them the evidence of new printed articles of the future publication by the organization refuting these doctrines above. What do you think the Governing Body will tell you as the future Jehovahs Witness?

Heres what the governing body of the Watchtower will tell the future Jehovahs Witness:

1. You are an apostate and not a true Jehovahs Witness. This is the truth because we are Gods Spirit directed organization. These doctrines we believe today in our generation are true and are taken from the Bible.

2. You are not a true Jehovahs Witness unless you believe these doctrines.

Hoped you all enjoyed it......

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Another SERIOUS WTBTS False Teaching...

by AGuest in

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may you all have peace!.

based on the "insight" and "aid" books... mary, the sister of lazarus, and mary the magdalene are two different people.

according to the bible, however, they are one... and the same:.

FrankRaven

AGUEST------

Both Marys are not the same.Since I don't trust anything that is written by the Watchtower,I fully trust the Holy Bible as,"Final Authority."And since scripture says,"All scriptures are inspired....."anything the NWTHS prints is a lie.

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What do we believe?

by elihab50 in

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i am a catholic and am curious to know what jehovah's witnesses really believe.

i have heard many things but would rather recieve things right from the source.

i would like to know what differences you have with catholicism based on what you know or have heard.

FrankRaven

elihab50...........what's this G-d,thing? now I'm not sure,but almost am positive that where you ever a muslem using another S/N?I think so.Now here's the reason...........

back in the 70's I was working for D.C. and studied analysus of hand writings.Plus understanding styles....Example......you have a special style in what you write and how you write it.It's in the person's thinking process.So if you ever try to change the style it's,almost,impossible.Sooner or later one goes back to the style in which they started out with.

An Atheist is just a person who hasen't been properly introduced to God yet.Now an atheist may not believe in God,but God sure believes in you.

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Does God Deceive Us?An Answer

by FrankRaven in

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i've read what joe alward wrote.if he's an atheist,i can see why he won't trust the bible.i mean after all,he has done the one major thing most folks why try to tear the bible apart to prove absolutely nothing.

by taking a verse out of content and not reading the next verse can mean anything for anyone.i mean the watchtower does it all the time.

example: ezekiel 20:25,"therefore i also gave them up to statutes that were not good,and judgments by which they could not live.

FrankRaven

SixofNine...is it foolish to search out something that may resolve many unanswered questions or is it foolish just seeking it?Yet who's the fool to follow or being followed?

Many questions arise out of many answers,yet the answer may not be important as understanding the question.

The Bible.....that's interesting.Some may work for me and not work for others.Yet to be insulting by calling one a fool to believe...........So the question is back at you...what do you believe and why?

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Does God Deceive Us?An Answer

by FrankRaven in

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i've read what joe alward wrote.if he's an atheist,i can see why he won't trust the bible.i mean after all,he has done the one major thing most folks why try to tear the bible apart to prove absolutely nothing.

by taking a verse out of content and not reading the next verse can mean anything for anyone.i mean the watchtower does it all the time.

example: ezekiel 20:25,"therefore i also gave them up to statutes that were not good,and judgments by which they could not live.

FrankRaven

Sounds good to me...as a realist,but as a minister....It matters not who did what or how,but what's important,to me,is who said it and why.

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Bible: Women are Inferior

by JosephAlward in

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no teaching in the bible is clearer and more consistent than the one which holds women to be inferior to men.

below i show that it is taught that the woman was created from man, for man, that man--not woman--is the glory of god, and that women are not allowed to teach or control man because the woman, not the man, is the one who was deceived by the serpent.

" (1 corinthians 11:2-9) "for a man...is the image and glory of god: but the woman is the glory of the man.

FrankRaven

Sounds just like my Wife's former Pastor.He felt the same way good ole` Joe felt.Guess what.That Pastor no longer minister's to anyone.

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Does God Deceive Us?An Answer

by FrankRaven in

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i've read what joe alward wrote.if he's an atheist,i can see why he won't trust the bible.i mean after all,he has done the one major thing most folks why try to tear the bible apart to prove absolutely nothing.

by taking a verse out of content and not reading the next verse can mean anything for anyone.i mean the watchtower does it all the time.

example: ezekiel 20:25,"therefore i also gave them up to statutes that were not good,and judgments by which they could not live.

FrankRaven

Why not?