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  Secret book--PDF--(Family Care and Medical Management for JW's!)

  by Atlantis in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  1992 family care and medical management for jehovah's witnesses.

  (approx.

  85mb) this publication is now unavailable from the watchtower, with no plans for republication.

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  Link has expired. Anyone know where I could refind this and a copy of the Benefit From Theocratic Ministry School Education--2001--PDF?
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  Bible Law encourages pedophilia-really, not a joke. See Deut. 22:25-29

  by oompa in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  these sex laws have bothered me for some time.

  until coming here i was unaware of all the pedophilia problems in the org.

  the interesting thing about these two bible laws are that if a girl was engaged, and screamed during rape, the rapist only is executed.

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  Writing this as it sparked a memory of something taught from the Bible in a talk once as good. I haven't looked it up yet since I really don't remember where it was found and wanted to write this before I forgot what I wanted to say.

  It REALLY bothered me as a child, my mom poo hooed my outrage in discussing it after the meeting. The account was of an old man who had a young girl who slept naked with him at night to keep him warm as he was supposedly too old to retain his own body heat. Anyone remember that account?
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  Do You Recognize Your Baptism?

  by sweetstuff in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i was promised that this generation would no means pass away.

  (live forever book, pg.

  154) i brought this up, although it has probably been discussed before, because i am sure some people right now are worrying how to handle an elder's visit or call.

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  No.

  When asked the two questions from the platform to the group I didn't say yes. I let 5 of friends from my cong get in line ahead of me, wanting to back out.

  I was also 12 - too young to have a supposedly be able to decide anything else for myself, but they encouraged me to make a contract with GOD that and if I broke anything the WTBS said I would be condemed to die? Then why couldn't I decide whatever else I wished to do since EVERYTHING else should have paled in comparison?

  Don't get me wrong I SO wanted to do the right thing, to make my mom proud, to be accepted. We had 19 of us kids baptised at that assembly - our cong was #1 in numbers for that. It was also something they boasted about, which I thought real strange. There we so many of us we had the question and answer sessions for baptism conducted like a bible study group. We took turns each reading the answers from the book. The youngest by the way that day was ****5**** years old. I wonder how they got educated answers on loose conduct with that wee girl. She probably couldn't even sensibly choose her wardrobe daily. And Jesus waited until he was 30? The Son of the Almighty God was 30 - and here we kids were choosing a cult that would RULE every fiber of thought, action, and well-being in our lives.

  I was SO scared if I didn't get baptized I'd die since I "knew" the truth. That was drilled into my head all the time. *sighs*

  Which reminds me also of my cousin who got baptised to avoid military service (he went to prison) but a few years later got re-baptised because he got "baptised for the wrong reasons the first time". So if we think our first baptism was not valid God overlooks it and erases it? I thought it was a thing once done it was a non-negotiagble contract. Any thoughts?

  The elders NEVER knew I didn't aswer yes - I wonder if I didn't even have to go through all those JC meetings Inquistions after all if they had known that. Any formers elders know?

  *ponders*
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  Aug 15th WT

  by mouthy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  has anyone read it "jehovah is a lover of justice " page 26 paragraph 16 & 18 please read it .

  what rubbish .

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  *IF* this actually occurs (though I hear as it was in the days of Noah - paraphrashing cause it's easier - blah blah they said it's still the same, you get the idea). I would truely love to be judged by my heart and love for Jesus and Jehovah (is that who he/she/it? really is) and be standing there alive with ALL those who made it, then look over and see the ones I dearly love even now in the JW's. The truely humble, meek, and so hurt and misguided but they had more (maybe less) courage to stick it out. So many of the JW's are full of crap but the ones I think of most are the ones who; were as I used to be - shorn, trusting, and questioning.
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  The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures in pdf format?

  by IndependantThinker in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've spent the last 2 months listening to talks of former and current jw's, reading, using the wt cd, going through my collection of watchtowers from 1879-1947 (which i do have on .pdf if anyone is interested) and books i've managed to not lose in many moves since 1964.. is there a .pdf of the 1969 the kingdominterlineartranslationofthegreekscriptures anywhere?

  i got one as a gift in 1969 when was a little girl and after going through many boxes of publications i can't find mine.

  i need it to collaberate some things i have heard and unless i can read it for myself i can't take someone else's "saying" that the kit says something.

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  That's how I got them. I found the link again.

  http://isohunt.com/torrents/watchtower?ihs1=12&iho1=d&iht=-1&ihp=4 It's listed as "Watchtower Publications".

  Watchtower Bible and Tract Society - Jehovah's Witnesses - Watchtower Publications - 1879 to 1949 2.8 GB in 71 files.
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  i've been hurt by a witness

  by tenderheart in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a jehovahs witness has destroyed my marriage and reputation , she told my husband horrible things about me and told him,.

  he's young he should leave me and find some one else, she told every one that would listen that my childrens farther is a peadophile,.

  he's never even been to court, so people in the area shun me and my children, she's judgemental she gossips, she's bullied me and my children for years, she's very demanding and is aways after some thing, i fell out with her because i was very depressed and could not cope with her, she's called me terrible things in the street her family have terrorised me and my family in our home, my children have been victimised and accused of horrible things, when i was really depressed she told me i had done nothing for her thats why she is being horrible to me, not one week went by in twenty years when she did'nt ask for some thing, i said no once to her she wanted 80.00 just after the birth of my daughter, she started a row and did not speak to me for 5 years, i'm really hurt as this woman was really hard to cope with she often upset me and i always made excuses for her, turned the other cheek and she turned on me and my children over some thing that should have been sorted out with kindness, i'm so sad i don't know how to stop hurting..

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  I'd also suggest calling the congregation she attends and letting the Body of Elders know of her conduct.
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  Anyone going to a Mabon/autumnal equinox celebration/ritual?

  by White Dove in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i will be going to bell, book and candle for an open mabon ritual.

  it'll be my first time.

  i'm so excited to see what happens at one of these!

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  IndependantThinker

  explaintion link here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mabon

  Where is Bell, Book, and Candle?
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  The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures in pdf format?

  by IndependantThinker in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've spent the last 2 months listening to talks of former and current jw's, reading, using the wt cd, going through my collection of watchtowers from 1879-1947 (which i do have on .pdf if anyone is interested) and books i've managed to not lose in many moves since 1964.. is there a .pdf of the 1969 the kingdominterlineartranslationofthegreekscriptures anywhere?

  i got one as a gift in 1969 when was a little girl and after going through many boxes of publications i can't find mine.

  i need it to collaberate some things i have heard and unless i can read it for myself i can't take someone else's "saying" that the kit says something.

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  I just zipped all the WT pdf's and am looking for a place to up load them. The zipped file is 2,833,074KB. So too large to upload to sendspace and it doesn't seem to like my attempts to upload each individual .pdf (they range is size between 12 and 15 megs each for the years).

  I'm going to keep searching for a host site I can post them and post here when it's done unless someone wants a 2 gig zip file to host :)
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  The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures in pdf format?

  by IndependantThinker in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've spent the last 2 months listening to talks of former and current jw's, reading, using the wt cd, going through my collection of watchtowers from 1879-1947 (which i do have on .pdf if anyone is interested) and books i've managed to not lose in many moves since 1964.. is there a .pdf of the 1969 the kingdominterlineartranslationofthegreekscriptures anywhere?

  i got one as a gift in 1969 when was a little girl and after going through many boxes of publications i can't find mine.

  i need it to collaberate some things i have heard and unless i can read it for myself i can't take someone else's "saying" that the kit says something.

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  IndependantThinker

  I've spent the last 2 months listening to talks of former and current JW's, reading, using the WT CD, going through my collection of Watchtowers from 1879-1947 (which I do have on .pdf if anyone is interested) and books I've managed to not lose in many moves since 1964.

  Is there a .pdf of the 1969 The KingdomInterlinearTranslationoftheGreekScriptures anywhere? I got one as a gift in 1969 when was a little girl and after going through many boxes of publications I can't find mine. I don't want the newer one (it may have been changed).

  I need it to collaberate some things I have heard and unless I can read it for myself I can't take someone else's "saying" that the KIT says something. There are points I really want to look up the scriptures on in that version of the Bible.

  Thanks
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  Don't we all?

  by IndependantThinker in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  artist/song name- jason michael carroll- alyssa lies lyrics .

  my little girl met a new friend, .

  just the other day, .

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  IndependantThinker

  Artist/Song name- Jason Michael Carroll- Alyssa lies lyrics

  My little girl met a new friend,
  just the other day,
  on the playground at school
  between the tires and the swings

  But she came home with tear-filled eyes,
  and she said to me "Daddy, Alyssa lies"

  Well I just brushed it off at first,
  'cause I didn't know
  how much my little girl had been hurt
  or the things she had seen.
  I wasn't ready when I said "You can tell me"
  and she said...

  "Alyssa lies to the classroom,
  Alyssa lies everyday at school,
  Alyssa lies to the teachers
  as she tries to cover every bruise"

  My little girl laid her head down that night
  to go to sleep.
  As I stepped out the room
  I heard her say a prayer so soft and sweet
  "God bless my mom and my Dad
  and my new friend, Alyssa
  oh I know she needs you bad

  Because Alyssa lies to the classroom,
  Alyssa lies everyday at school,
  Alyssa lies to the teachers
  as she tries to cover every bruise"

  (bridge)

  I had the worst night of sleep in years
  as I tried to think of a way to calm her fears
  I knew just what it was I had to do
  I knew exactly what I had to do
  but when we got to school on Monday
  I heard the news

  My little girl asked me why everybody looked so sad
  the lump in my throat grew bigger
  with every question that she asked.
  Until I felt the tears run down my face
  and I told her
  that Alyssa wouldn't be at school today

  'Cause she doesn't lie in the classroom
  she doesn't lie anymore at school
  Alyssa lies with Jesus
  because there's nothin' anyone would do

  Tears filled my eyes
  when my little girl asked me why
  Alyssa lies
  Oh Daddy, oh Daddy tell me why
  Alyssa lies