gopher: I think i stated the dictionary definition as well... Also, I don't think the accurate viewpoint has been established by science. Scientific research is all over the place. WTS publication have always stated practicing homosexuality is a sin... because the bible says it's a sin. Can it be unlearned? I don't think there is scientific research that says it can't be unlearned. I've certainly read personal statements from people who support the argument that it CAN be unlearned. Even now, in 2007. About the orchestra statement... that’s another topic.
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homosexuals and JWs
by solidergirl ini have no problem being around gay people.
but bring it up a car group and omg its like the number 1 sin in the world.
it got to point where i wanted to stand up for them.
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homosexuals and JWs
by solidergirl ini have no problem being around gay people.
but bring it up a car group and omg its like the number 1 sin in the world.
it got to point where i wanted to stand up for them.
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devilsnok: The rate of gay suicide is 4 times higher than heterosexuals in the US. It's society as a whole that instills a sense of guilt and shame. Blaming JWs is a stretch; wouldn't you agree? Also, a person is disfellowshipped for not repenting. A gay person will be disfellowshipped for practicing homosexuality. Not for having homosexual desire. Just like someone will be jailed for stealing a car. They certainly wouldn't be jailed for wanting to steal it.
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homosexuals and JWs
by solidergirl ini have no problem being around gay people.
but bring it up a car group and omg its like the number 1 sin in the world.
it got to point where i wanted to stand up for them.
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gopher: "The literature at that time sure said homosexuality could be unlearned." this could be said about secular literature as well; and TV, and movies, and school, and work... etc. Being gay was negative in every aspect of life.
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homosexuals and JWs
by solidergirl ini have no problem being around gay people.
but bring it up a car group and omg its like the number 1 sin in the world.
it got to point where i wanted to stand up for them.
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Boy, i wish i knew how to quote... Feenex: I don't think the article said it's 50/50. ... here is another article *** w83 6/1 p. 25 Maintaining God’s View of Sex *** It is interesting that, according to dictionary definitions, homosexuality includes sexual DESIRE for others of one’s own sex. Yet the Bible makes a distinction between the practice of what is bad and sinful desires or tendencies. These desires may be present despite determined efforts to eradicate them from mind and body. Because of their earlier life environment, and perhaps other factors, we may have Christian brothers and sisters who from time to time have the urge for sexual relations with members of their own sex. But they fight that unnatural, Satan-inspired desire—and they do not give in to it. So they are not practicing homosexuals. They get control of their thinking, knowing that wrong desire that is allowed to grow fertile is bound to express itself in wrong acts.It is the practice of homosexuality that is condemned by the bible; not having homosexual tendencies. ***** (My comments) What makes a person gay? Is it the desire or the practice? For example, having a strong attraction for women doesn’t make you a fornicator; it’s the practice that makes you a fornicator. Also, I don't think anyone argues that genetics is the ONLY cause of homosexual desires. From what I understand; it's considered to be a combination of several factors which includes genetics (i could be wrong). I personally have never seen any negative attitudes towards brothers with gay "tendencies". Doesn’t mean they don’t exist. However, anyone who spreads rumors about a person's sexual orientation could be guilty of slander.
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homosexuals and JWs
by solidergirl ini have no problem being around gay people.
but bring it up a car group and omg its like the number 1 sin in the world.
it got to point where i wanted to stand up for them.
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avishai: Slander and gossip are considered serious sins. JWs can be disfellowship for slander and gossip; and some are. Many articles have been written about it. As far as the elder wife comment/fallacy... Lets try to stay on the topic. Please.
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homosexuals and JWs
by solidergirl ini have no problem being around gay people.
but bring it up a car group and omg its like the number 1 sin in the world.
it got to point where i wanted to stand up for them.
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gopher: You brought up the teaching, not me. I Just provided you with the latest info.
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Disfellowshipping Experiences...
by feenx inhey all :)
so i am always curious about fellow ex dubs disfellowshipping experience.
mine was pretty retarded, well they had every reason to df me, but the whole process was asinine.
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It was a very long process. We tried to help him for many years. Counsel, encouragement etc. But all attempts failed. His presence caused a lot of dissent and affected the peace in the congregation. I never understood why someone would want to be part of an organization and not try to accept the standards? All his family is non-jw. Never understood this guy. Proud? No way. I do hope he is happy, because he wasn't happy in the congregation.
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homosexuals and JWs
by solidergirl ini have no problem being around gay people.
but bring it up a car group and omg its like the number 1 sin in the world.
it got to point where i wanted to stand up for them.
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grassyknoll07
There was a 'young people ask' article this year or last year. Can't remember. But the article said homosexuality may or may not be genetic; no one knows for sure. Awake was not going to 'join the debate'. But the bible prohibits it, so you must find a way to suppress it.
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Disfellowshipping Experiences...
by feenx inhey all :)
so i am always curious about fellow ex dubs disfellowshipping experience.
mine was pretty retarded, well they had every reason to df me, but the whole process was asinine.
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grassyknoll07
It took 5 years to DF someone. The JC took about 6 months. Hearing after hearing, appeals etc. A real pain in the ... This guy knew all the rules and loop holes. He was a law student who would question decisions, arrangements etc. We finally got him on "loose conduct".
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Marriage for citizenship?
by 4mylove inchatting with my hubby, he made yet another comment that made my blood boil.
he was explaining that his parents are going to mexico for the wedding of a family friend.
my hubby said he was like a brother to him, but coulnd't remember his name for a second (sad).
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grassyknoll07
"WTS was going to provide an attorney for him" We had a situation in our hall. Called NY and they instructed us to encourage him to return "home". Cited some scripture and told him he was on his own. The congregation would not aid him. If someone wanted to help him, it would be their personal decision.