open mind,
this particular thread hit a nerve in me(obviously)!
and yes i was harsh and judgemental. i was never protected while in that cult.
my own experiences tainted my sympathy for faders with children. a single minute is too long for any child to be subjected to the cruelty of being raised a JW. danger lurks from both inside and outside the org. being made a target while others figure out how to remove themselves from a cult in which they no longer believe is an unaccepable risk to a child.
it is black and white.
protect your kids already. get them out of there. quickly.
peace and respect back at ya!
manhasbecomelikeoneofus
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Fading? What's up?
by arker ini was a jw, finally saw my chance and wrote a letter to the elders saying how bad i am and how i don't want to meet to discuss it and to df me if you want.
that was the end of it for me.
my question is if you know you are "fading" you are already gone so why not make the leap?
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manhasbecomelikeoneofus
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Fading? What's up?
by arker ini was a jw, finally saw my chance and wrote a letter to the elders saying how bad i am and how i don't want to meet to discuss it and to df me if you want.
that was the end of it for me.
my question is if you know you are "fading" you are already gone so why not make the leap?
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manhasbecomelikeoneofus
have things have changed since i escaped? the only grounds for divorce when i was in the cult was adultery. so unless someones been playing around (in which case alimony seems reasonable) the kids would only have the gift of a father who is honest and protective.
and in spite of the traditional mother-custody advantage, any lawyer worth their salt could easily prove a no blood transfusion, child molester apologist, cult member mother was less fit than the non-cult father.
it just sounds like a whole lotta fearful excuses while the kids are left victimized.
i know it is a terrifying concept to up and leave your entire support system. but it was not as bad as i, or apparently you, fear. and the advantages for those kids way out-weigh any temporary downside.
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Fading? What's up?
by arker ini was a jw, finally saw my chance and wrote a letter to the elders saying how bad i am and how i don't want to meet to discuss it and to df me if you want.
that was the end of it for me.
my question is if you know you are "fading" you are already gone so why not make the leap?
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manhasbecomelikeoneofus
awesome! glad i could be of assistance!
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Fading? What's up?
by arker ini was a jw, finally saw my chance and wrote a letter to the elders saying how bad i am and how i don't want to meet to discuss it and to df me if you want.
that was the end of it for me.
my question is if you know you are "fading" you are already gone so why not make the leap?
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manhasbecomelikeoneofus
snakes,
yes i am harsh and judgemental when there are children involved. if you are childless go at it! stay in as long as you like. worship the spagetti monster if you like! but if you have children, and dont even believe in that JW garbage, exposing them to that level of danger for a single day is inexcuseable. -
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Fading? What's up?
by arker ini was a jw, finally saw my chance and wrote a letter to the elders saying how bad i am and how i don't want to meet to discuss it and to df me if you want.
that was the end of it for me.
my question is if you know you are "fading" you are already gone so why not make the leap?
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manhasbecomelikeoneofus
para, i wasnt raised in the power structure of the "church" of scientology so dont feel qualified to actively rail against them. however from my limited research do think they are a damaging cult. serg, i guess i wrote with some harshness but will not apologize for not soothing your feelings while you let your childrens minds and spirits be warped by your lack of motivation. if you believe in the garbage the JW's spew then your exposure of your children to the toxic teachings of those power hungry men in brooklyn at least has the cover (however false) of faith. but if you dont and the only defence you can come up with is the fear of wage garnishment, i feel for your children. did you ever consider the fact that it might be your wife who would have to pay child support, if it even came to that. evidence of reasons why an ex-JW should have custody over an active member is ample and easily proven in court. i would even offer my tesimony if it would make it easier for you! or you can keep lying to your wife, your children and yourself. secrets and lies when it comes to matters this fundamental always end in ruin.
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An Odd Memory from a Score and Three-Quarters back.....
by AK - Jeff inon my return today with some lunch delicacies and a grand bottle of gewurztraminer to wash it smoothly, i recalled some events from 35 years back that clearly reflect the apocalyptic mindset of the jdubs in the pre-armageddon years.. the brother of the fellow who brought me this glorious good news that jehovah's witlesses were the 'truth' once took me to his bedroom to show me a small area on his wall that had been repaired by his father recently.
before they replaced the drywall and painted, marvin elected it prudent to prepare a gift kit for that wall that included a copy of the new world translation and a copy of the truth book.
his plan was that in the sudden destruction that was to come in the form of the great tribulation, he might have all his literature confiscated, and he could simply kick the panel out of the wall and be duly served with 'spiritual food from jehovah'.. i must have been correctly impressed with the need to 'heed the day and times and seasons', for a few months later, having left my family home due to 'worldly influence' of my non-witless family and inactive mother, i was speaking with the elderly sister who had offered me sanctuary so that i might 'declare the truth' as a pioneer.
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manhasbecomelikeoneofus
there was a "brother" in our hall that built an extensive underground library down a long passage hidden behind a secret door. he was converted while a nazi soldier in ww2 and kept a vigilant paranoia from the time.
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Fading? What's up?
by arker ini was a jw, finally saw my chance and wrote a letter to the elders saying how bad i am and how i don't want to meet to discuss it and to df me if you want.
that was the end of it for me.
my question is if you know you are "fading" you are already gone so why not make the leap?
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manhasbecomelikeoneofus
serg,
i dont know you or your children. if your children are young then you would be doing much better by them to take them out of that horrible cult immediately and begin their de-programming. if your wife wants to continue being a JW then unless you are an adulterer she will still be your wife. if you are willing to lie to your partner about something as major as religion then how sound is your marriage anyway. if your children are adults then what better example could you possibly set for them than being a man who stands up for what he believes in regardless of consequences! as it stands by what you wrote you are just constantly lying to the people who you profess to love. hardly an exemplary way to live. -
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Fading? What's up?
by arker ini was a jw, finally saw my chance and wrote a letter to the elders saying how bad i am and how i don't want to meet to discuss it and to df me if you want.
that was the end of it for me.
my question is if you know you are "fading" you are already gone so why not make the leap?
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manhasbecomelikeoneofus
i have tried to stay out of this topic for a while. i have bit my tongue/keyboard when reading posts from non-believers who still put up the facade of meeting attendance. but since you brought it up....
anyone who gives support to that twisted, child abusing cult either through publishing, attendance or simple silence is culpable for the crimes committed by their leaders. i can understand but not sympathize with those whos family connections depend upon them keeping their mouth shut. if you know better then it is your obligation to say so regardless of the discomfort DAing may bring. your silence brings their guilt onto you. your silence makes you an accessory to their crimes.
if everyone who was still pretending to believe actually stood up and called them out on their lies perhaps a child or two or a thousand might be saved.
and if your families "love" is dependant on your collusion in/silence of their crimes then it never was love to begin with and you would be much better off starting to look for true love elsewhere.
i know the hardship that going against ones family brings. i lost everyone who was dear to me. but really, grow a pair! -
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What Do You Do for Work / Career?
by BlackPearl ini've been on the board for quite a while now and was wondering, what do my fellow jwdr's do for work, employment or career?
me, i'm in probably one of the most hated careers in america right now.
(not gonna tell you what it is either) but how about you, what do you do to earn a little coin?.
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manhasbecomelikeoneofus
"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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What Do You Do for Work / Career?
by BlackPearl ini've been on the board for quite a while now and was wondering, what do my fellow jwdr's do for work, employment or career?
me, i'm in probably one of the most hated careers in america right now.
(not gonna tell you what it is either) but how about you, what do you do to earn a little coin?.
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manhasbecomelikeoneofus
"Jehovah, Jehovah!"
"Stop it, youll only make it worse!"