Posts by fedorE

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Anyone seen the Secret?

by Satans little helper in

someone lent me the dvd of the secret over the weekend.

we watched it last night and i wondered what everyone thought of it?

i thought that it was very "evangelical" and alot like the jw's - large on promise and small on content.

U know what im so glad u brougtht this up...cause im always looking for really good not so much religious movies but movies that make u think about our perceptions .....and i havent seen The secret..but im gona dowld it .....I have seen however THE SECOND COMING (2003) with christpher eccelston WOW i loved that movie..at least 7.9/10 for me .about Jesus reappearance ....also the Celestine Prphecy..which i thought was ok i guess...GODDAMIT though i just hope THE SECRET isnt gona try to teach me to be nicer than i already am ...lol

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Our talk today is entitled THE 10 COMANDMENTS George Carlin please.....

by fedorE in

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here is my problem with the ten commandments- why exactly are there 10?

you simply do not need ten.

the list of ten commandments was artificially and deliberately inflated to get it up to ten.

fedorE

Hey WT Wizard and gymbob...nice observations... what do ya think of this tho..when Jesus was using the example of the Good samaritan stopping to help the poor guy on the road........what if someone had asked Jesus what should the GSamaritan do if he found the same guy getting the crap kicked out of him?

Do unto others as u would have done unto u? Correct OR what do u think of that situation.

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Our talk today is entitled THE 10 COMANDMENTS George Carlin please.....

by fedorE in

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here is my problem with the ten commandments- why exactly are there 10?

you simply do not need ten.

the list of ten commandments was artificially and deliberately inflated to get it up to ten.

fedorE

Here is my problem with the ten commandments- why exactly are there 10?

You simply do not need ten. The list of ten commandments was artificially and deliberately inflated to get it up to ten. Here's what happened:

About 5,000 years ago a bunch of religious and political hustlers got together to try to figure out how to control people and keep them in line. They knew people were basically stupid and would believe anything they were told, so they announced that God had given them some commandments, up on a mountain, when no one was around.

Well let me ask you this- when they were making this sh#t up, why did they pick 10? Why not 9 or 11? I'll tell you why- because 10 sound official. Ten sounds important! Ten is the basis for the decimal system, it's a decade, it's a psychologically satisfying number (the top ten, the ten most wanted, the ten best dressed). So having ten commandments was really a marketing decision! It is clearly a bullsh*t list. It's a political document artificially inflated to sell better. I will now show you how you can reduce the number of commandments and come up with a list that's a little more workable and logical. I am going to use the Roman Catholic version because those were the ones I was taught as a little boy.

Let's start with the first three:

I AM THE LORD THY GOD THOU SHALT NOT HAVE STRANGE GODS BEFORE ME

THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN

THOU SHALT KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH

Right off the bat the first three are pure bullsh*t. Sabbath day? Lord's name? strange gods? Spooky language! Designed to scare and control primitive people. In no way does superstitious nonsense like this apply to the lives of intelligent civilized humans in the 21st century. So now we're down to 7. Next:

HONOR THY FATHER AND MOTHER

Obedience, respect for authority. Just another name for controlling people. The truth is that obedience and respect shouldn't be automatic. They should be earned and based on the parent's performance. Some parents deserve respect, but most of them don't, period. You're down to six.

Now in the interest of logic, something religion is very uncomfortable with, we're going to jump around the list a little bit.

THOU SHALT NOT STEAL

THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS

Stealing and lying. Well actually, these two both prohibit the same kind of behavior- dishonesty. So you don't really need two you combine them and call the commandment "thou shalt not be dishonest". And suddenly you're down to 5.

And as long as we're combining I have two others that belong together:

THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTRY

THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR'S WIFE

Once again, these two prohibit the same type of behavior. In this case it is marital infidelity. The difference is- coveting takes place in the mind. But I don't think you should outlaw fantasizing about someone else's wife because what is a guy gonna think about when he's waxing his carrot? But, marital infidelity is a good idea so we're gonna keep this one and call it "thou shalt not be unfaithful". And suddenly we're down to four.

But when you think about it, honesty and infidelity are really part of the same overall value so, in truth, you could combine the two honesty commandments with the two fidelity commandments and give them simpler language, positive language instead of negative language and call the whole thing "thou shalt always be honest and faithful" and we're down to 3.

THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR"S GOODS

This one is just plain fu**n' stupid. Coveting your neighbor's goods is what keeps the economy going! Your neighbor gets a vibrator that plays "o come o ye faithful", and you want one too! Coveting creates jobs, so leave it alone. You throw out coveting and you're down to 2 now- the big honesty and fidelity commandment and the one we haven't talked about yet:

THOU SHALT NOT KILL

Murder. But when you think about it, religion has never really had a big problem with murder. More people have been killed in the name of god than for any other reason. All you have to do is look at Northern Ireland, Cashmire, the Inquisition, the Crusades, and the World Trade Center to see how seriously the religious folks take thou shalt not kill. The more devout they are, the more they see murder as being negotiable. It depends on who's doin the killin' and who's gettin' killed. So, with all of this in mind, I give you my revised list of the two commandments:

Thou shalt always be honest and faithful to the provider of thy nookie.

&

Thou shalt try real hard not to kill anyone, unless of course they pray to a different invisible man than you.

Two is all you need; Moses could have carried them down the hill in his fu*Kn' pocket. I wouldn't mind those folks in Alabama posting them on the courthouse wall, as long as they provided one additional commandment:

Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself.

BROTHERS AND SISTERS WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEND OUR WARM LOVE BACK WITH BROTHER CARLIN TO HIS CONGREGATION?

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in the beginning... When did you realise it was the truth ?

by AlphaOmega in

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sorry to do this... and apologies to minimus for pinching his posting style .

a jw friend of mine was speaking about the moment that witnesses "realise that it's the truth".

they didn't say anymore... so i guess that they feel there is a pattern ??.

fedorE

I remembered telling visiting relatives when i was just 7 that its the truth ..and with conviction! Afterwards my parents often told me ot their reasons: My father went to the local parish priest and asked a bible question and he ripped it from my father's hands and threw it away on the ground telling him "mind your own busines and stop asking questions," Embarrassing to say the least esp. in Sicilia where the local parish priest had a lot of say...even more- my mom said when attending catholic Mass the priest scolded her for bringing crying babies and promptly told me that at the Hall she could bring us and no one minded in the least if we screamed to our hearts content.........THANKS MOM THANKS A LOT.......I grew up always thinking this has to be the truth because they preach and "wow these kingdom melodies are amazing... listen to how they praise JAH..just listen..".....until i read C of C at age 16. The end.

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Why im not intrested in living in Jeh's New World Order.....

by fedorE in

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the existence the the guitar is a problem...sure you can playa little..but what happens when someone who has never heard of metal, punk, hard rock or simple rocknroll from this old world start experimenting innocently some sunny day unaware that just under his own fingernails lay the power of evil musical notes-demonic music notes- that strung together would have caused one to be at the very least severely tongue lashed in this old world..but in the new world princes must ensure that all is kept pure and therfore anyone playing the guitar must never invent any song that even remotely sounds like anything from this old world.

perhaps all guitars should be destroyed due to their potential for playing loud screeching metal mayhem.

why take chances.. no competetive sports....oh sure a friendly game of rock counting when ur not enjoying a perfect tomato or singing at the sky in worship.

fedorE

of course i absolutely 100% also include the ladies perspective on oral..just didnt mention it , thats all ,,,,......anyways really appreciate ur responses ive always had these thoughts like yourselves.

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Why im not intrested in living in Jeh's New World Order.....

by fedorE in

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the existence the the guitar is a problem...sure you can playa little..but what happens when someone who has never heard of metal, punk, hard rock or simple rocknroll from this old world start experimenting innocently some sunny day unaware that just under his own fingernails lay the power of evil musical notes-demonic music notes- that strung together would have caused one to be at the very least severely tongue lashed in this old world..but in the new world princes must ensure that all is kept pure and therfore anyone playing the guitar must never invent any song that even remotely sounds like anything from this old world.

perhaps all guitars should be destroyed due to their potential for playing loud screeching metal mayhem.

why take chances.. no competetive sports....oh sure a friendly game of rock counting when ur not enjoying a perfect tomato or singing at the sky in worship.

fedorE

The existence the the guitar is a problem...Sure you can playa little..but what happens when someone who has never heard of Metal, Punk, Hard Rock or simple rocknroll from this old world start experimenting innocently some sunny day unaware that just under his own fingernails lay the power of evil musical notes-demonic music notes- that strung together would have caused one to be at the very least severely tongue lashed in this old world..But in the new world Princes must ensure that all is kept pure and therfore anyone playing the guitar must never invent any song that even remotely sounds like anything from this old world. Perhaps all guitars should be destroyed due to their potential for playing LOUD screeching metal mayhem. Why take chances.

No competetive sports....Oh sure a friendly game of rock counting when ur not enjoying a perfect tomato or singing at the sky in worship. But what happens when some ol' playful angel -like the one who wrestled Jacob-comes over and jabs u in the ribs for fun. One thing leads to another and pretty soon someone starts wrestling someone else for fun. Until the wrong Prince sees whats going on and brings the whole bunch of u up on charges.(dont ask)....Or worse still, when a "youngin" finds a rock hard piece of dung, which happens to be a perfect circle and starts kicking it around with his brothers until one day they discover Teams, The center line,goals and end zones. How are they going to stop this competition? Will any sport be allowed to carry over to the new world? Even yet, will a bear be sent to eat children who engage in this behaviour?

No oral sex. Do you actually expect me to believe that in the history of the future human race no woman will delight in the polishing of her man's knob? and No man will ever ask his woman to polish that knob? Insanity i tell u.

The persistance of "hypocrisy"....All are invited to a meal in the sunny paradise. A large group of Italian worshippers are invited to join a large group of East and West Indian worshippers. However an extremely strong smell can be detected coming from this area's tables giving some trouble to the nose sensitivities of the Italians. So as was their custom in the Old World...they decline the offer because "thank you thank you so much but we already have so much food over here .BUT .ur welcome to join us if u like!".........Thats enough BS for me. The end of Armageddon starts with the begining of not a 11/2 hr meeting but a kingdom hall meeting thats supposed to last forever.HOLY CRAP.but you 2 can live forever in a paradiseonearth.

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Former Jehovahs WitnessAre Hypocrites

by The wanderer in

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former jehovahs witnessare hypocritesit amazes me how these people who once donned three-piece suits .

with book, bag and bible in hand are now singing the blues.

these former jehovahs witnesses, who would annoy a man and his.

fedorE

Hey Mr Wanderer...i dont think theres anything wrong with ur line of questions or how u ask them ..its all good..BUT i think u know the answer before u ask the question and wana compare what u think to how others might reason .and..isnt that the whole point in reasoning? to see how others react and how we might learn from the other exjws out here......but..........there's also this: we can get a kick out of pissing someone off. Some ppl enjoy that. I admit i enjoy that occasionally but not when someone else's feeling are gona make them feel like dirt if trampled on.On the other hand ppl shouldnt be to fast to be offended especially when Mr Wanderer is only making broad questioning..even if they are mundane at times. Its not like ur gona avoid him at the meeting on Thursday night. ..... Thats my take, im out.

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The Watchtowers Perspective Seeing IssuesIn Terms Of Black & White

by The wanderer in

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the watchtowers perspective seeing issuesin terms of black & white having been a jehovahs witness taught me that issues were seen as good or bad, black or white.

if it came from the society, it was good and if it did not come out of the society, it was bad.

i call this perspective my tunnel vision.

fedorE

WANDERER. do u find that you still have tunnel vision?

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Conversation with street witnessor (?) becomes elder infused

by AuldSoul in

yesterday, thursday, july 26, 2007, a conversation with a street witnessor (isn't that what you would call someone involved in street witnessing?

) got joined by a walk-up elder turned into a great opportunity to witness to several bystanders (who even joined in the conversation).. i began by declining to accept the offer from the elderly woman who held up a "what does god require of us?

i said, "but, verne, you aren't going to the bible.

fedorE

Simple, polite, and a hard swallow for the elder. Excellent. Take the rest of the day off.

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How many left the organization have become Atheist?

by icyestrm in

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how many have become atheist after leaving the organization?

fedorE

until very recently i mostly was just to busy to include the idea of GOD in my life ...like i tossed the idea in the trash can just like i disposed of the religion...and i realize i like the idea of agnosticism because it makes me feel like im not totally betraying a creator . I like to feel safe in my beliefs that way if im ever in front of whomever IT IS i can say i never actually said u didnt exist.shit i just pictured this huge white hand wrapped around my neck. F- - k.